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I’m sick of hearing about “iterative” updates. They are not iterative for the target upgraders. An iPhone 6 or 7 iPhone to either the 11 or the Pro would be a large jump.

I don’t think Apple expects users with an XS to upgrade to the Pro.
Who's the target upgrader? I have a 6S and I have no desire to "upgrade" to this phone. Sure it's faster and has nicer cameras but it's so big and heavy when I find my 6S to already be too big.
 
Keeping my X for another year, blew me away all the corporate fanboys touting the new WiFi standard. The Elephant in the room is 5G. Next year should be a real barn burner.
Yes. 5G should be ready for primtime for a good percentage of people by late 2021.
 
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Who's the target upgrader? I have a 6S and I have no desire to "upgrade" to this phone. Sure it's faster and has nicer cameras but it's so big and heavy when I find my 6S to already be too big.
If you can’t figure out why it is a massive upgrade over your 6s, you are not trying, or you don’t do much with your phone other than text.

I will add in the 80% more battery life.
 
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True but this years iphones could still have been notchless, less bezels, 5g capable and a new form factor. I don't blame them on not doing 5G this year but they still technically could have. I'm hoping they go to the iPad pro design aka iphone 5ish looking.

Those changes still wouldn't be innovative though as it's been done by other manufactures but this still shows how the iphone is behind other makers.

I've been harping on the fact that like computers and laptops there isn't a ton of innovation that can be made in the smartphone segment but Apple needs to catch up on existing features especially as a premium brand.
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Well they always release camera upgrades. The last few years older Pixel devices have been kicking iPhone butt in stills at least so seems like the quote is a useful one to me anyway?
by the time they settled with QC there wasn't enough time to put the x20 modem into the production for iphone. hell even the x16 qualcomm chip inside the x has better coverage than the iphone 11's intel xmm 7560
 
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I don't need to upgrade from my X this year, but I think I might do it anyway. I have 2 more months left on my iPhone Upgrade Program payments (and 2 more months of AppleCare coverage). Once it's paid off, I'll trade my X in for an 11 or 11 Pro at the lower payment rate.

My reasoning is that I've needed AppleCare coverage now fewer than 4 times (3 for hardware defects and once when I dropped my phone). I just don't trust this X hardware. If I trade in my phone right after it comes off of AppleCare, I'll know I'm trading in a working phone. If I wait, I might end up with nothing to trade in.

I like the peace of mind having AppleCare on such an expensive and breakable device.
 
They called them SOME of the best, not THE best.

But...’Best’ was wasn’t the nature behind my post, it was the Verge being primarily optimistic about Apple, which they tend not favor Apple from past reviews. Maybe you missed that part.:D
 
I'd love one, but something is telling me NEXT YEAR will be the year more dramatic changes are going to be seen.
Perhaps many of the things that were rumored for this year, but never made it in time?
Plenty of rumours that already said the 2020 model is the one to get.
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I've said the same thing for 4 years now. It isn't happening buddy.
Except the repetitive rumours that keep saying the 2020 models WILL have big changes.
 
Seems like high regard so far. The new camera system, better screen, battery life, and the textured matte glass should make it a solid upgrade, even for XS users. The midnight green and camera set up looks even better than I thought it would too. iPhone should sell pretty well for Apple this year.
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Sorry, but all reviews are the same and we still do not know RAM size.

Likely because it doesn’t matter. Apple isn’t going to release a phone in 2019 with RAM issues.
 
Highly doubt it. Expect more disappointment from Apple aside from 3 or 4 new things. It’s Apple we’re talking about.

Best camera ever on a phone
Best CPU ever on a phone
Up to 25% more battery life than previous year model

yep.....big disappointment
 
It’s less about multitasking and more about longevity. iOS upgrades have long been tied to physical specs like cpu and ram. Just like ip6 support dropping off but iPad Air 2 living on because it has an extra gig.

You’re referring to products that came in 2014 though. That’s how long it’s been since that was an issue. The 6s and newer all run fine today with a good battery.
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Who's the target upgrader? I have a 6S and I have no desire to "upgrade" to this phone. Sure it's faster and has nicer cameras but it's so big and heavy when I find my 6S to already be too big.

Anyone who wants a phone that is much more powerful, a massive upgrade for a camera, and huge battery life gains. They sell millions every year so there’s a target audience out there somewhere.
 
Usually the Verge is pretty cynical about Apple, especially when it comes to the iPhone, so it seems like they’re extending high praise for the new ‘tri-lens’ camera and improved battery life. I admit, I thought these phones would probably be underwhelming for 2019, but I think Apple made some really nice changes with the additional water resistance and lowlight/camera additions.

You gotta be kidding me:
"An Editor at The Verge Was Also on Apple’s Payroll for Two Months"
https://fortune.com/2016/09/24/verge-editor-apple-payroll/

Nilay isn't quite known for being "cynical" about Apple either:
IPHONE X REVIEW: FACE THE FUTURE
Works in progress can still be great
https://www.theverge.com/2017/10/31/16579748/apple-iphone-x-review

Nothing to see here, just pump the prime.
 
I was expecting a very small update this year. However, I think this is the best update we’ve seen in years. All the things people actually use on a daily basis has been improved significantly.
 
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Wrong, it’s the industry we are talking about. There will be no major innovations coming out of any smartphone manufacturers short of foldable phones. You just need to learn to accept it.
And I question the point of a foldable phone. A foldable tablet sounds cool, but phone? Not to me. I also question if a device using foldable screen technology is actually innovative at all. The tech isn’t new. The software on the foldable device may be innovative, but I’m not sure regarding the hardware. I guess it has more point than 5G currently, and no, I don’t consider using a 5G modem to be innovative either. It is simply normal technological advancement spun by marketers. 5G isn’t innovative for Samsung now nor Apple in the future.
 
And I question the point of a foldable phone. A foldable tablet sounds cool, but phone? Not to me. I also question if a device using foldable screen technology is actually innovative at all. The tech isn’t new. The software on the foldable device may be innovative, but I’m not sure regarding the hardware. I guess it has more point than 5G currently, and no, I don’t consider using a 5G modem to be innovative either. It is simply normal technological advancement spun by marketers. 5G isn’t innovative for Samsung now nor Apple in the future.

It would be pretty innovative if we could get something the size of an iPhone with the screen dimensions to boot when folded. And when unfolded, there would be a seamless transition and a crease-less display. So it'd be a no-compromises phone and a no-compromises tablet. Right now, there's nothing that matches this description.
 
It would be pretty innovative if we could get something the size of an iPhone with the screen dimensions to boot when folded. And when unfolded, there would be a seamless transition and a crease-less display. So it'd be a no-compromises phone and a no-compromises tablet. Right now, there's nothing that matches this description.

I would agree if the device is 100% seamless and if it could be opened 1000 times a day for at least 5 years without developing any crease or having any issue whatsoever it would be innovative. I have doubts that will ever happen.
 
Plenty of rumours that already said the 2020 model is the one to get.
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Except the repetitive rumours that keep saying the 2020 models WILL have big changes.
Rumors with zero foundation other than wishful thinking.
 
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Coming from The Verge it's not a surprise like iMore. People will judge for themselves with independent unbiased comparisons.

iVerge
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Who's the target upgrader? I have a 6S and I have no desire to "upgrade" to this phone. Sure it's faster and has nicer cameras but it's so big and heavy when I find my 6S to already be too big.

not you, clearly.
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Rumors with zero foundation other than wishful thinking.

also, 2020 is 2020. No amount of discussion can steer us away from the fact that we’re a year away from that iPhone.
 
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It’s less about multitasking and more about longevity. iOS upgrades have long been tied to physical specs like cpu and ram. Just like ip6 support dropping off but iPad Air 2 living on because it has an extra gig.
I figured someone would bring up one gig of RAM. And I still say that if the iPad Air 2 can run 3 apps at the same time then RAM is no longer a bottleneck. At some point adding RAM brings very little improvement and with iOS I’d say that is now. A 4GB RAM device will be ancient before the RAM is holding it back.
 
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