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Apple Highlights iPhone 11, 11 Pro and 11 Pro Max Reviews
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That was my point. I don't know who you mean by target upgrader. I honestly don't know who you mean. I thought these new phones every year are meant more for the people that have money to burn and enjoy Apple products.
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I don't disagree with you about there being millions of people that buy these things but that's not what "target" means, that's just an audience. The original quote from baymowe was about targeting people and I'm curious who they think the target demographic is, that's all.
Yeah Apple is doing well because of a loyal fan base and a fan base that doesn’t want to switch to a new ecosystem. I never said they didn’t make good products but at least up to the iPhone 11 the iPhone has lost market share in recent years.
Unrealistic? It’s unrealistic for them to have the same features the competitors have in earlier released products?
And you don’t see other companies get scrutinized? Are you new to this forum? I’ve seen enough Samsung and google bashing in this forum to last 10 lifetimes.
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Yea another good reason to not upgrade till 2020/21. I feel like 20 is going to be another S year though.
Negative reviews and no invite to next years event. Love unbiased reviews
Over the last year, once or twice, I took my XS out the case to take a peek and admire how beautiful it is. Then carefully nest it back in it’s case.
I still have a 5 on my desk that I upgraded from however many years ago. It certainly is also beautiful.
But Apple and the entire industry continually making more advanced devices year after year, and everyone marveling at each years new features, that’s even more beautiful.
Especially considering that the consumer pays less for a base iPhone 11 than the $849 for the 64GB iPhone 5.
I still have a 5 on my desk that I upgraded from however many years ago. It certainly is also beautiful.
But Apple and the entire industry continually making more advanced devices year after year, and everyone marveling at each years new features, that’s even more beautiful.
Especially considering that the consumer pays less for a base iPhone 11 than the $849 for the 64GB iPhone 5.
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Correct, that’s what I was referring to. They are targeting people who want the things I mentioned, or the best iPhone available.
I found the iPhone X to be the radical change I wanted, and that's what I upgraded to 2 years ago. I really believe next year will be a greater leap than this year's iPhones.
Dieter Bohn is more objective, Nilay Patel comes across as more of a fanboy which is fine because reviews are personal opinions. There's no denying that these iPhones will be a nice upgrade for anyone coming from iPhone 8 and below.
It depends what you class as innovation.
We've had so many promises, delays and near misses on new battery technologies over the last decade but every one turns out to have issues somewhere (cost, ability to scale up to production volumes desired, only OK within certain temperature ranges, etc). I'm still hoping that at some point some new battery technology will deliver a step-change in charge density and be practical to manufacture affordably at high volume.
Admittedly the real source of the innovation would be within the battery manufacturer or licensed from some university research rather than within any given phone company (short of a company like Apple buying out the patents from the originator of the tech) and as such it is very possible that all flagship phone manufacturers would roll out this innovation within a few years of each other but some of these near-miss technologies have claimed up to 3 times charge density vs existing technologies in the lab; if anything like that level of improvement came to a smartphone that would in my mind be significant innovation and a step-change in the industry. I'm not holding my breath though.
To make myself insanely rich I think the one patent in the world that I would most like to own would be for some practical and affordable 3x charge density new battery chemistry. The ramifications would go far beyond smartphones (watches, headphones, laptops, cars, drones, robots, etc, etc, etc). If such a technology does emerge Apple is one of the few companies with the financial muscle to be an early adopter or even take a run at buying the company holding the patents to manufacture the technology.
I guess there’s a distinction between innovation, and meaningful innovation.
I will admit that a foldable phone is clever and innovative from an engineering standpoint. Thing is - does the product result in a great experience for the end user? I personally feel that having to unfold and fold a phone every time I want to use it will quickly become more troublesome than it is worth once the initial honeymoon period wears off.
What samsung has done here is try to force-fit a use case for a product that they own (flexible displays). Rather than a company like Apple who works backwards from the desired experience.
That’s why Apple is going with AR glasses instead of foldable phones. Samsung can only double down on phones because they have close to zero wearables presence, due to them not being able to control both software and hardware. This galaxy fold is a product borne out of desperation, not a desire to advance the user experience.
Likewise, the innovation with 5g will not come from whoever is first in including those radios in their phone, but in coming up with use cases that actually utilise that much speed.
What Apple has done here is knowing precisely which areas to compromise in with their devices. Backed up with their unique software and a repertoire of services, the end result is an experience android phones will find hard to match.
That’s what I am paying for at the end of the day. Not so much raw specs but the whole Apple experience, made possible by their control over hardware, software, services.
You make it sound like a “loyal fan base that doesn’t want to switch” is a bad thing. Apple must be doing something well if they have such a large and loyal fan base. Also, I’m sure they pull in a bunch of non-loyal customers as well. People who aren’t sheep but just like certain Apple products.
And of course they’re going to lose market share considering they don’t have free phones or extremely low-budget phones like Samsung, LG and those other manufacturers.
A Mercedes Benz has a steering wheel, tires, seats and other basic things that Honda has, but the experiences are very different. Why? Because even though Mercedes wasn’t first to the party, they still know how to craft a great car and driving experience. Newsflash, Apple doesn’t need to be the first to the party.
Samsung and Google bashing is notttt the same as Apple bashing. I don’t see Samsung or Google users bash their devices. I do see Apple users/fanboys/“sheep” bashing Apple though. So called “fans” seem to hate Apple. I rarely see a Galaxy user say negative things about their devices.
I think the best review for the new cameras is the tech crunch one, tested in a real, real world location of Disneyland day and night.
Is anyone thinking of going from the XS Max to the standard Pro? I’m not sure if I could go back to the smaller screen.
The reviews are impressive, I haven’t seen reviews like this for an iPhone for years now. Excited to pick up a Pro next month when I’m eligible for Jump! with T-Mobile.
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Most people understand that 5G won’t be widespread next year, so it will be a useless feature.
US telecom companies have programs that allow you to upgrade yearly, and this finally a big jump, unlike last year.
Also, it seems like a lot of people here do the same as me: upgrade and hand down last year’s model to a family member.
The reviews are impressive, I haven’t seen reviews like this for an iPhone for years now. Excited to pick up a Pro next month when I’m eligible for Jump! with T-Mobile.
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Most people understand that 5G won’t be widespread next year, so it will be a useless feature.
US telecom companies have programs that allow you to upgrade yearly, and this finally a big jump, unlike last year.
Also, it seems like a lot of people here do the same as me: upgrade and hand down last year’s model to a family member.
and since when has apple ever invented anything or been particularly innovative, right?!
I take it you don’t understand how these rumors are sourced and why there is a massive difference.
The Verge and more specifically Nilay Patel's reviews of Apple devices are pointless and hold as much value as a strainer holds water. Like with most major outlets who review Apple products, they are less credible because they won't give a "truly" honest review. While Apple will never pay for a good review, they do something that is far more evil, but less egregious, they stop inviting said reviewer or press outlet to their keynotes.
You talk bad about Apple, you don't get invited back. Simple as that. So no major outlet will risk losing that invite and thus every iPhone/Apple product typically won't be reviewed for anything less than a 9 or something similar on a different grading scale.
Despite the camera's, Nilay doesn't bring up the fact that the hardware is NOT all new as Tim Cook called it on stage. It has a new camera model and color/treatment. The phone's hardware design is virtually the same. The front still has the notch, from a year-old iPhone X, i.e. this is the third year Apple is passing off the same basic design (minus camera module changes). The display is mediocre compared to Samsungs's or even the OnePlus 7 Pro, with a 6.6"- damn near 4K display with over 3000pixel or 517ppi, compared to Apple's 458 and smaller 6.5". OP also has an integrated fingerprint scanner, 90hz refresh, several color modes including "wide gamut." Etc, etc.
As an Apple fan, I just wish reviews would call out Apple on their nickel and dime updates, because Apple won't listen to its customers, but if trade outlets, reviewers, bloggers, etc, finally called out their BS and lack of innovation and really held their @$$es to the fire, about how they leave out features intentionally, don't update their UI appearance, pass the same design off 3 years in a row, PERHAPS, Apple may be forced to do something innovative instead of falling behind.
The last "great" iPhone, was the iPhone 4, for me. It had an amazing design, it was sturdy and industrial, had that smooth glossy glass on the back, a metal band holding it all together and it just felt great. It introduced front-facing cameras to the larger audience (I know Motorola had one first). It was a forwarding thinking device and it ushered in the era of high-pixel density displays... it was a product Jobs was proud of and Ive design to perfection. Imagine that exact design, with a truly edge-to-edge display (aka no notch).
Sorry for my rant, I'm just tired of seeing Apple slow drip features and pump out stagnant and multi-year old designs for massive profit margins while Samsung and the Chinese Market leapfrog them.
You talk bad about Apple, you don't get invited back. Simple as that. So no major outlet will risk losing that invite and thus every iPhone/Apple product typically won't be reviewed for anything less than a 9 or something similar on a different grading scale.
Despite the camera's, Nilay doesn't bring up the fact that the hardware is NOT all new as Tim Cook called it on stage. It has a new camera model and color/treatment. The phone's hardware design is virtually the same. The front still has the notch, from a year-old iPhone X, i.e. this is the third year Apple is passing off the same basic design (minus camera module changes). The display is mediocre compared to Samsungs's or even the OnePlus 7 Pro, with a 6.6"- damn near 4K display with over 3000pixel or 517ppi, compared to Apple's 458 and smaller 6.5". OP also has an integrated fingerprint scanner, 90hz refresh, several color modes including "wide gamut." Etc, etc.
As an Apple fan, I just wish reviews would call out Apple on their nickel and dime updates, because Apple won't listen to its customers, but if trade outlets, reviewers, bloggers, etc, finally called out their BS and lack of innovation and really held their @$$es to the fire, about how they leave out features intentionally, don't update their UI appearance, pass the same design off 3 years in a row, PERHAPS, Apple may be forced to do something innovative instead of falling behind.
The last "great" iPhone, was the iPhone 4, for me. It had an amazing design, it was sturdy and industrial, had that smooth glossy glass on the back, a metal band holding it all together and it just felt great. It introduced front-facing cameras to the larger audience (I know Motorola had one first). It was a forwarding thinking device and it ushered in the era of high-pixel density displays... it was a product Jobs was proud of and Ive design to perfection. Imagine that exact design, with a truly edge-to-edge display (aka no notch).
Sorry for my rant, I'm just tired of seeing Apple slow drip features and pump out stagnant and multi-year old designs for massive profit margins while Samsung and the Chinese Market leapfrog them.
Maybe, but they made a graphical image with that quote. My point was that the quote they selected for the image is expected and uninspired. That's it.
If you're upgrading from an 8 or older you'll probably be pretty impressed. If you've got an x or xs, I'd wait. USB C and better modems next year. Having to only pack 1 cable for your laptop, ipad and phone will be a game changer. Of course you're free to do as you like, but honest opinion just wait for the better phone that's coming. They did this with the earpods too. Released an incremental upgrade for the version 2 then BAM! Out comes the beats version which out performs and has a lot of what people were looking for in a seconds version of the earpods. If you've got an x or xs, wait on this one.
Rene Ritchie actually loves Siri. He sits on top of Apples most unbiased reviews 
Yet like a junkie to his smack dealer, I folded and upgraded my XS Max to an 11 Pro Max. Conclusion: I’m a schmuck pro max.