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Whichever way you look at it, for the average person which is going to be more than 90% of owners, these are amazing pictures that they will be happy being able to achieve on their phone. For everyone else who thinks they under this or over that, meh, whatever.
 
Whichever way you look at it, for the average person which is going to be more than 90% of owners, these are amazing pictures that they will be happy being able to achieve on their phone. For everyone else who thinks they under this or over that, meh, whatever.

Well said and so true.

Very few people here understand Apple's customer base, thinking everyone is into tech. Or a serious photographer who will be steamed their camera phone that fits into a pocket will not produce the same results as a dSLR with large aperture lens.
 
Well said and so true.

Very few people here understand Apple's customer base, thinking everyone is into tech. Or a serious photographer who will be steamed their camera phone that fits into a pocket will not produce the same results as a dSLR with large aperture lens.
Yep. 95% of iPhone owners are likely not tech AT ALL. And probably less than 1% of iPhone owners are serious photographers with a quality DSLR. My wife makes her living with photography and she appreciates what she is able to capture with her iPhone, but understands the limitations vs her DSLRs.
 
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Might be your technique. Try holding your phone more steady. Or prop it against an immovable object, such as a chair, while making the picture.

I considered this -- the technique, not the chair. I really don't get it. While a chair may solve the problem, I thought the $1200 device with "breakthrough dual camera system" with advanced image stabilization, neural engine and the insanely quick bionic chipset would do the trick.

I know I sound like a smart ass, but I really think the quality of the camera and the easy of taking these amazing photos is way overstated by Apple and arguably by other makers, too. Although, I once tried Lumia 950XL and it took incredible photos -- better than any iPhone I've ever owned.
 
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I considered this -- the technique, not the chair. I really don't get it. While a chair may solve the problem, I thought the $1200 device with "breakthrough dual camera system" with advanced image stabilization, neural engine and the insanely quick bionic chipset would do the trick.
You really don’t get why it’s better to avoid a problem than to compensate for it with high-tech?

Welcome to school of life! We’ve learned something today.

Lesson 1: A chair is superior to bionic computing.
 
“man I wish I had taken this photo with my Sony A7R”
This is really interesting to me. For example, does this make you want to carry around your A7R more? And do you have some pictures that would likely be better with the A7R, but you know that, even if you had it with you, the pic wouldn’t have been possible (I don’t know how quickly you get from seeing a scene to A7R ready).
 
I considered this -- the technique, not the chair. I really don't get it. While a chair may solve the problem, I thought the $1200 device with "breakthrough dual camera system" with advanced image stabilization, neural engine and the insanely quick bionic chipset would do the trick.

It’s just the nature of photography. My Nikon body and lens with IS cost more than $1200. IS helps, but a tripod will always produce a sharper picture.

But whenever I take a great picture with my iPhone I just think “man I wish I had taken this photo with my Sony A7R.

So why didn't you take it with your A7R?

Going from wanting to take a picture to taking the picture with modern phones is easy and fast. I routinely take pictures with both my iPhoneX and my DSLR. I'm always surprised how nice the iPhone pics come out with almost zero effort. My DSLR pics can be better, but there is a lot more time involved. Where the DSLR really shines is in niche situations. I've started leaving my long zoom on the DSLR, and then using the iPhone for snapshot type pics. It works well, and saves me time by not having to constantly change lenses.
 
I do wonder sometimes if 'pros' are annoyed that an average Joe can pull out their phone and get 80%+ of the way there now.
This is true in a lot of areas. For almost any industry, there are the leaders, the pros and the amateurs. As technology steps in, it makes the amateurs more effective. The leaders are in no way threatened by this, they even enjoy the fact that more folks are able to move sooner from amateur to pro level using these new tools. The amateurs love being able to be more useful.

Some pros feel threatened that the amateurs are encroaching on their territory, so they either become leaders OR they bemoan the use of the tools.
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Same here. If there were an option to remove the noise reduction that seems to aggressively happen in current iPhone shots, I’d be really really happy.
You can use one of the apps that capture the RAW image. Halide comes to mind. No post-processing or noise reduction at all, you have full control of how the image looks :)
 
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Yep. 95% of iPhone owners are likely not tech AT ALL. And probably less than 1% of iPhone owners are serious photographers with a quality DSLR. My wife makes her living with photography and she appreciates what she is able to capture with her iPhone, but understands the limitations vs her DSLRs.

I am that 1%.
Moving more and more away from DSLR now.
 
Apple should try licensing googles night sight or whatever that dark mode is called on the new pixel phone. That thing is a game changer.
 
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That's a fantastic photo of Angela Ahrendts.

It's even more fantastic, perhaps even mystical, that her face morphs and sprouts glasses when her pic is taken in the mountains.
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So you're saying your clients have trained eyes?

If that's true (which I'm pretty sure it's not - I just don't think you've thought this through), I'm going to say, "Well duh."... try not sending phone photos to people of that caliber.

I think what he is saying is that, in a professional photograph intended to have bokeh, the focus falls off rapidly from the focal point, so that the blur begins to show around the edges of her head and her shoulders that are both further from and closer than the focal point. A professional photographer's clients would have trained eyes and would see the bokeh in this photo as artificial and they probably wouldn't like the super sharp edges of her head and upper torso, which makes the photo look like it may have been taken in a studio, using lighting in front of a backdrop. Edit: I should also have said, like the model was cut out in photoshop and layered above a mountain scene.

But, for a smartphone photo, it is just fine for casual use.
 
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Everyone do yourself a favor and don't use that fake looking portrait mode background blur effect on your wide angle photos. It looks so hokey and artificial. Like a poorly executed photoshop cutout.
Or continue using it - and realize years later you wish you never had.
The blur effect looks fine for the telephoto lenses on the cameras with twin lenses... but on the XR's wide angle lens it looks like garbage.
Oh  will tell you it's the greatest thing since the mouse, but you're smarter than that to get sucked into the hoopla

This is so true. Get an f/2.8 prime or faster lens on an APS-C or full frame mirrorless camera and you've got a lightweight winner. Other than that the Xr pics are pretty good.
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I am that 1%.
Moving more and more away from DSLR now.

There are some large sensor P&S and APS-C mirrorless cameras which are incredibly light. I tried the Fujifilm X-T20 which is very small with the Fujifilm XF 35mm f/2 and it takes beautiful pics being very lightweight and small.
 
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