Apple Hikes U.K. App Store Prices By At Least 25 Percent Due to Weak Pound

[The-Real-Deal82]

Indeed. I voted Remain but have never 'moaned' about the situation. I've given my opinions without derogatory names for those who disagree with my point of view.

Anybody who refers to me as a 'Remoaner' is a total tool devoid of any relevance. If people want to engage in discussion, then do it with class.

 

[fat jez]

[doublepost=1484868431][/doublepost]Oh look, yet another bank has today confirmed its full commitment to the UK, Santander! And they aren't even British!!

http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/756396/Brexit-news-Santander-UK-Britain-leave-EU

So what I said is already becoming true..

Santander do their Euro clearing in Madrid, so the decision does not affect them.

http://www.mondovisione.com/media-a...antander-becomes-new-general-clearing-member/


The other banks are not leaving the UK, just moving their Euro trading business to where they need to be to offer the same services to the EU that they currently do.

 

[apolloa]

No it's not a joke, nor did I claim to want the UK to collapse. I am also not naive to what this country is good at, although better examples exist that are profitable. Never presume.

Well your post certainly seems t demand the country collapses. It's difficult to understand your opinions when you claim you are not joking about hoping we don't get any trade deals with anyone, but you don't want the country to collapse? Which is it?
[doublepost=1484941866][/doublepost]

First off let me say that the use of words and expressions like remoaners and traitors pretty much excludes you from any sensible discussion. Personal attacks should have no place in political debates and only serve to bully or undermine the opponent.

The common market is important for the London financial business as it allowed a company located in the UK to essentially trade within the whole EU. An non finance equivalent is the Irish Apple branch that is used to do all trades within the EU. It is used for buffering currency fluctuations and other legal and fiscal issues and saves the company a lot of money. It is however important to be located within the target market to be effective. Many banks and other companies have such branches in the UK for various reason, taxation, legislation and language being a few of them.

If the UK left the common market (and I mean entirely and before any new terms or free trade agreements are negotiated), the advantages of being located within the target market would go away (or be limited to the UK, a much smaller market). Which is why it is to be expected that many companies will move jobs to location with the EU market to be able to still take full advantage of their local branches.

How and to what extend this will happen is of course still unclear as the terms of a new deal are still not clear and it would make little sense to move an entire branch based of whims and speculations.

I'm sorry if you don't like the language, but when the majority of the voting population vote a result in a democratic election, and then select elitist people attempt to block the result of that vote being actioned because it suits them, then yes I WILL use the word 'TRAITOR'. I would use the same word and the word 'Remoaner' to describe those who:

A: Believe the people who voted to leave did not know what they were voting for.
B: Are demanding a repeat referendum because they didn't like the result.

When millions of lives were lost to fight and ensure this country has that right to hold a referendum in a free democratic society, it's pretty sickening to see the behaviour of some. Because they seem to think they CAN tell the country what we will and won't do despite not being in an elected government. Yet so far it seems to be the rich elite bringing court cases.

I'll believe it when I see it when jobs are moved from London, the UK doesn't revolve around one city, and I do believe their have been many many many many many many threats of banks moving jobs before the end of the negotiations, so using your logic the banks lack any sense.
[doublepost=1484942128][/doublepost]

Remoaners - They're the people asking all of the questions of government. We are worried, seriously worried, that May has a vision, one which may or may not leave us in a stronger situation economically and socially. At no point has she publicly recognised how much work it will involve leaving the EU, how much change will be inevitable to our lives, the cost of administering the change, the timescale we can reasonably expect for us to have stability. What is more more worrying is that the Brexiteers are still in the phase of enjoying the street dance celebrations, they too don't seem to have any questions.

I can point you to a book by Ian Dunt, a Europhile, who points out just a few things that must be done in order for us to leave the EU and trade under WTO rules it is absolutely staggering how much work there is to be done, how few experts we have and how long it will take to get us on an even keel.

For example leaving the EU is an administrative nightmare it will take at least two years and even more years for government to redraft 30,000+ laws without any parliamentary scrutiny.
WTO membership requires a schedule being drafted and agreed to by 163 other countries before it can be ratified. There is doubt it will be ratified by the time frame, after all we have to get all of those countries, including Argentina who quite like the Falklands, to agree.

No one on this forum knows whether Brexit is an excellent/good/bad/disastrous idea. What we object to is constantly being sold the sizzle and not the steak. May talks about a Utopian vision where everyone is free, happy and fair in trade, she doesn't lay out that we will inevitably lose as a result of Brexit. My belief is that we will lose time, time in parliament which should be used to work out how we can better tax the rich in order to fund our NHS and social services properly.





Europe doesn't hate the UK. The EU is of the mind that if you are going, then go, they have important work to do and thats their focus. No different to when someone plans to leave a job, as a colleague you wish them well but if your going, there is still work to do, get gone.

The EU is democratic, certainly no less democratic than the UK, probably more.

In the UK I get to vote for an MP, end of story, I don't get to vote on anything else. The MPs get to decide who their PM will be, not us, they decided to vote May in, she was as democratically elected as Cameron. In the US they get to vote for their President, we don't.

The PM chooses her cabinet, bumbling fool for foreign secretary, nepotist for International trade etc etc, Oh and one European councillor to represent us in a room of 28 members from every other EU country. These 28 (European Council) represent the EU countries and when they recommend a law to be implemented in a nation state, they ALL have to agree. Not just 52%, 100%.

Compare that with May invoking article 50, she would do it without any parliamentary scrutiny whatsoever. She will also negotiate for the BEST DEAL without any parliamentary scrutiny on what that deal should look like. Where, oh where is the democracy in that? My constituency voted in an ineffectual oaf for his 23rd year as an MP in 2015 and as a result Mrs May gets to call all of the shots without my MP even being consulted.

The fact that most Brexiteers show no concern for this situation is staggering The fact that when remainers start to question this flawed and dangerous process you call us TRAITORS, is just shameful.
[doublepost=1484908331][/doublepost]

All you've done is made an incredibly insulting and contradictory post, and complain about the work involved in making this country great.
May's government is the first for an incredibly long time that's actually doing EXACTLY what the majority of the people want.

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

I did not wish for the country to collapse nor did I say I hope we don't get any trade deals. I said I hope we get screwed in the way we've asked for. We can't expect to walk away from the EU and keep all the same benefits. That is arrogant and disrespectful. I hope we are given a hard time over it, otherwise other countries will simply do the same.

If you insist on referring to people as a 'remoaner', discussions go quiet very quickly, have some respect and discuss, don't get personal.

 

[JD2015]

Well some huge increases seen today for example with Final cut pro X. A bit hard to stomach. Glad I have got what I mainly needed. At least with some apps on Mac store it maybe cheaper to go and buy from them direct?

 

[fat jez]

Hardly a majority of the voting population of 46,500,001.

Remain: 16,141,241 34.71%
Leave: 17,410,742 37.44%
Did not vote: 12,948,018 27.85%

Neither side got over the 50% of the voting population to be able to describe itself as a majority of the voting population.

Source: http://www.electoralcommission.org....u-referendum/electorate-and-count-information

 

[alecgold]

We have to leave, the entire EU idea is just turning more and more into a dictatorship, it's totally lost its way. It no longer works for the UK.
[doublepost=1484851078][/doublepost]

How are we going to lose the ability to legally trade with the EU?????. Pllleeeaaasssseeeeeee do tell us all, I'm dying to know. I mean I want to then go and ask every other NONE EU country exactly how they trade with the EU!!!!

[doublepost=1484851349][/doublepost]

Just a few snippets to show your ignorance.

The eu is a dictatorship and a bureaucratic giant not capable of any action? Rare combination. What does really annoy me is the ECB with their helicopter money and their target of 2% inflation. Idiot Mario et al. But the BoE is just as bad.

Trade.
Everyone will be allowed to do business that is never the problem, but if there are heavy duties, lots of formalities (because there is no uniformity in custom rules and forms, specs and certifications that are not the same etc etc, then the cost of trade and business will rise. If there are risks because of differences in legal systems (and the U.K. Has a common law system that differs greatly from the continents system) business will have higer insurance rates and therefore charge higher prices.
So no trade is still very possible, but will be more really much more complex.

Open borders and open traffic have their advantages, you know?!
And asylum seekers is just the proverbial stick, no well argumented reason to leave the EU.
Lawful immigration should make you think again about the uk's educational system. About the added value that workers are able to generate and why it might be worse in the U.K.
About the almost unbelievable differences between London and the rest. About the large number of people that have accepted there will never be a job for them again.

If you are not prepared to do what is necessary to get those people back into decent work that is decent paid (because they do meaningful and economic sound work, not by subsidizing) it doesn't matter if you are part of the EU, USA or have all the commonwealth countries back to an empire again, but then you are going to loose.
Ireland has worked hard, paid the price, Greece is still paying heavily, Spain, Portugal also working to get back. Hell even the Netherlands and Germany have been rationalizing health, reforming labor and restructuring social securities. And in all those countries it have been the middle class that has paid most and the poorest that have suffered the most. Not the 1% or even the top 10%.

 

[interstella]

US will become increasingly protectionist under Trump. Sure they will want a deal, but I guarantee that the terms will be great for them and mediocre for us. The government will agree to the deal and hail it as a great step forwards in our new global outcome.

Thank goodness that someone else can see that this is the way things will be with Trump. Most people seem to assume that Trump will come up with a trade deal that is good for the UK. That isn't what he said and you are right in that the terms are likely to be bad for the UK. He is most definitely a protectionist and doesn't believe in free trade. He wants to put import tariffs on goods made by American companies so I dread to think what he'll want to do with UK goods. He could have other tricks up his sleeve as well e.g. a better trade deal if the UK contributes £billions more to NATO. I don't trust him at all.

 

[apolloa]

Just a few snippets to show your ignorance.

The eu is a dictatorship and a bureaucratic giant not capable of any action? Rare combination. What does really annoy me is the ECB with their helicopter money and their target of 2% inflation. Idiot Mario et al. But the BoE is just as bad.

Trade.
Everyone will be allowed to do business that is never the problem, but if there are heavy duties, lots of formalities (because there is no uniformity in custom rules and forms, specs and certifications that are not the same etc etc, then the cost of trade and business will rise. If there are risks because of differences in legal systems (and the U.K. Has a common law system that differs greatly from the continents system) business will have higer insurance rates and therefore charge higher prices.
So no trade is still very possible, but will be more really much more complex.

Open borders and open traffic have their advantages, you know?!
And asylum seekers is just the proverbial stick, no well argumented reason to leave the EU.
Lawful immigration should make you think again about the uk's educational system. About the added value that workers are able to generate and why it might be worse in the U.K.
About the almost unbelievable differences between London and the rest. About the large number of people that have accepted there will never be a job for them again.

If you are not prepared to do what is necessary to get those people back into decent work that is decent paid (because they do meaningful and economic sound work, not by subsidizing) it doesn't matter if you are part of the EU, USA or have all the commonwealth countries back to an empire again, but then you are going to loose.
Ireland has worked hard, paid the price, Greece is still paying heavily, Spain, Portugal also working to get back. Hell even the Netherlands and Germany have been rationalizing health, reforming labor and restructuring social securities. And in all those countries it have been the middle class that has paid most and the poorest that have suffered the most. Not the 1% or even the top 10%.

Haha so my 'apparent' ignorance is responded to by your 'obvious' ignorance, especially on open borders, that's gold right there.

 

[tatonka]

I'm sorry if you don't like the language, but when the majority of the voting population vote a result in a democratic election, and then select elitist people attempt to block the result of that vote being actioned because it suits them, then yes I WILL use the word 'TRAITOR'. I would use the same word and the word 'Remoaner' to describe those who:

A: Believe the people who voted to leave did not know what they were voting for.
B: Are demanding a repeat referendum because they didn't like the result.

When millions of lives were lost to fight and ensure this country has that right to hold a referendum in a free democratic society, it's pretty sickening to see the behaviour of some. Because they seem to think they CAN tell the country what we will and won't do despite not being in an elected government. Yet so far it seems to be the rich elite bringing court cases.

I'll believe it when I see it when jobs are moved from London, the UK doesn't revolve around one city, and I do believe their have been many many many many many many threats of banks moving jobs before the end of the negotiations, so using your logic the banks lack any sense.

Lively discussion are a hallmark of a living democracy as is the fact that people get to question those in power and their decisions. Belittling people with differing opinions and calling them traitor is however a hallmark of any dictatorship in history and a very obvious attempt to discredit people.

I do agree that the people of the UK have spoken and they wanted and should get their Brexit. That doesn't mean it is a wise decision nor that certain parts are not to be negotiated still. And no, whether you like it or not, people in the UK had no idea what they voted for, because nobody had (or for a large parts still has). May has her ideas, the EU has their ideas, what people really voted for will become clear at the end of the negotiation phase in 2+ years.

And yes we will see how many jobs are going to be lost, that is exactly what I said from the beginning. You were the one insisting it wouldn't happen, because it hadn't happen yet.

 

[sim667]

Indeed. I voted Remain but have never 'moaned' about the situation. I've given my opinions without derogatory names for those who disagree with my point of view.

Anybody who refers to me as a 'Remoaner' is a total tool devoid of any relevance. If people want to engage in discussion, then do it with class.

This is exactly what happens when you try to have an informed discussion on this particular topic (and actually something that happens when you try and discuss any topic in this sub, but thats by the by).
[doublepost=1485170574][/doublepost]

I do agree that 37% of UK voting populace have spoken and they wanted and should get their Brexit.

FTFY.

 

[tatonka]

I do agree that 37% of UK voting populace have spoken and they wanted and should get their Brexit.

FTFY.

No. Everybody in that voting populace had the right and means to vote. If you don't show up you have no right to complain and need to live with the result (in particular if you know the vote might be close).

(Very different from the US electoral system where the majority of people actually voted Clinton, that is a whole different debate).

 

[sim667]

No. Everybody in that voting populace had the right and means to vote. If you don't show up you have no right to complain and need to live with the result (in particular if you know the vote might be close).

(Very different from the US electoral system where the majority of people actually voted Clinton, that is a whole different debate).

This still doesn't mean that a majority spoke.

37% spoke in favour, the rest either declined to speak, or spoke against.

 

[fat jez]

This still doesn't mean that a majority spoke.

37% spoke in favour, the rest either declined to speak, or spoke against.

Clearly 27% did not want to leave badly enough to vote.

I have had people tell me that they did not vote because they were so confused by the misinformation from both sides. Quite a damning statement for UK politics that we spend all our time telling voters why they shouldn't vote for something instead of telling them why they should.

 

[tatonka]

This still doesn't mean that a majority spoke.

37% spoke in favour, the rest either declined to speak, or spoke against.

That is true, but in a democracy a qualitative majority is sometimes all the majority you need and in that sense, a majority of the people have voted leave.
One can (and maybe should?) debate whether to change the rules for upcoming votes, but this is won fair and square.

 

[sim667]

That is true, but in a democracy a qualitative majority is sometimes all the majority you need and in that sense, a majority of the people have voted leave.
One can (and maybe should?) debate whether to change the rules for upcoming votes, but this is won fair and square.

I understand that.

But your sentence was incorrect. I was correcting it. Thats all.

 

[ForkHandles]

Remoaners - They're the people asking all of the questions of government. We are worried, seriously worried, that May has a vision, one which may or may not leave us in a stronger situation economically and socially. At no point has she publicly recognised how much work it will involve leaving the EU, how much change will be inevitable to our lives, the cost of administering the change, the timescale we can reasonably expect for us to have stability. What is more more worrying is that the Brexiteers are still in the phase of enjoying the street dance celebrations, they too don't seem to have any questions.

I can point you to a book by Ian Dunt, a Europhile, who points out just a few things that must be done in order for us to leave the EU and trade under WTO rules it is absolutely staggering how much work there is to be done, how few experts we have and how long it will take to get us on an even keel.

For example leaving the EU is an administrative nightmare it will take at least two years and even more years for government to redraft 30,000+ laws without any parliamentary scrutiny.
WTO membership requires a schedule being drafted and agreed to by 163 other countries before it can be ratified. There is doubt it will be ratified by the time frame, after all we have to get all of those countries, including Argentina who quite like the Falklands, to agree.

No one on this forum knows whether Brexit is an excellent/good/bad/disastrous idea. What we object to is constantly being sold the sizzle and not the steak. May talks about a Utopian vision where everyone is free, happy and fair in trade, she doesn't lay out that we will inevitably lose as a result of Brexit. My belief is that we will lose time, time in parliament which should be used to work out how we can better tax the rich in order to fund our NHS and social services properly.


Europe doesn't hate the UK. The EU is of the mind that if you are going, then go, they have important work to do and thats their focus. No different to when someone plans to leave a job, as a colleague you wish them well but if your going, there is still work to do, get gone.

The EU is democratic, certainly no less democratic than the UK, probably more.

In the UK I get to vote for an MP, end of story, I don't get to vote on anything else. The MPs get to decide who their PM will be, not us, they decided to vote May in, she was as democratically elected as Cameron. In the US they get to vote for their President, we don't.

The PM chooses her cabinet, bumbling fool for foreign secretary, nepotist for International trade etc etc, Oh and one European councillor to represent us in a room of 28 members from every other EU country. These 28 (European Council) represent the EU countries and when they recommend a law to be implemented in a nation state, they ALL have to agree. Not just 52%, 100%.

Compare that with May invoking article 50, she would do it without any parliamentary scrutiny whatsoever. She will also negotiate for the BEST DEAL without any parliamentary scrutiny on what that deal should look like. Where, oh where is the democracy in that? My constituency voted in an ineffectual oaf for his 23rd year as an MP in 2015 and as a result Mrs May gets to call all of the shots without my MP even being consulted.

The fact that most Brexiteers show no concern for this situation is staggering The fact that when remainers start to question this flawed and dangerous process you call us TRAITORS, is just shameful.
--- Post Merged, Friday at 10:32 AM ---

 

[apolloa]

Lively discussion are a hallmark of a living democracy as is the fact that people get to question those in power and there decisions. Belittling people with differing opinions and calling them traitor is however a hallmark of any dictatorship in history and a very obvious attempt to discredit people.

I do agree that the people of the UK have spoken and they wanted and should get their Brexit. That doesn't mean it is a wise decision nor that certain parts are not to be negotiated still. And no, whether you like it or not, people in the UK had no idea what they voted for, because nobody had (or for a large parts still has). May has her ideas, the EU has their ideas, what people really voted for will become clear at the end of the negotiation phase in 2+ years.

And yes we will see how many jobs are going to be lost, that is exactly what I said from the beginning. You were the one insisting it wouldn't happen, because it hadn't happen yet.

You are nothing then a remoaner then, people didn't know what they were voting for? Erm yes they did. It was made PERFECTLY CLEAR LEAVING THE EU MEANT LEAVING THE SINGLE MARKET:

Oh and let's not forget the remain campaigns leaflet posted through every letterbox in the UK with the dollowing information:

https://www.gov.uk/government/publi...uropean-union-is-the-best-decision-for-the-uk

So yes, in case you didn't get it, people damn well knew perfectly well what 'leave' meant because the remain campaign spent most of its time shoving it down everyone's throats and you have to be unbelievably naive or living under a rock for the last year to claim otherwise.

Would you like me to find more videos and interviews and information? It's all out ther on the internet recorded!

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

If tit for tat really is the order of the day and people like me are going to be labelled as 'remoaners', I will just say I don't believe leave voters knew fully what they were voting for. This whole election was criticised for both sides not issuing enough information. The Remain camp held back into and I didn't vote Remain to suit the likes of Cameron, but for myself. The leave camp just spread lies about us being a richer country for not having to pay into the EU. That was total b*****ks in hindsight and we are still puzzling through exactly what we've gained.

So yes if anybody wants to call me a 'remoaner', at least I voted with knowledge rather than blind faith. Hopefully that annoys the name callers here.

 

[apolloa]

If tit for tat really is the order of the day and people like me are going to be labelled as 'remoaners', I will just say I don't believe leave voters knew fully what they were voting for. This whole election was criticised for both sides not issuing enough information. The Remain camp held back into and I didn't vote Remain to suit the likes of Cameron, but for myself. The leave camp just spread lies about us being a richer country for not having to pay into the EU. That was total b*****ks in hindsight and we are still puzzling through exactly what we've gained.

So yes if anybody wants to call me a 'remoaner', at least I voted with knowledge rather than blind faith. Hopefully that annoys the name callers here.

So you voted remain on the basis that something that cannot happen for at least two heads was a lie? That makes no sense. Not sure how having billions in your own country as opposed to another one doesn't make your country richer?

 

[tatonka]

You are nothing then a remoaner then, people didn't know what they were voting for? Erm yes they did. It was made PERFECTLY CLEAR LEAVING THE EU MEANT LEAVING THE SINGLE MARKET:

Oh and let's not forget the remain campaigns leaflet posted through every letterbox in the UK with the dollowing information:

https://www.gov.uk/government/publi...uropean-union-is-the-best-decision-for-the-uk

So yes, in case you didn't get it, people damn well knew perfectly well what 'leave' meant because the remain campaign spent most of its time shoving it down everyone's throats and you have to be unbelievably naive or living under a rock for the last year to claim otherwise.

Would you like me to find more videos and interviews and information? It's all out ther on the internet recorded!

Funny you post videos of remainers explaining the consequences, but none of the leave side explaining their comprehensive plan how to go about the actual Brexit. Coincidentally many leading leavers dived for the bushes right after the referendum and left the (mostly remain) politicians with the task to solve out the mess.

Nobody had a comprehensive plan before the vote and it still looks like a huge mess to me.

 

[fat jez]

Funny you post videos of remainers explaining the consequences, but none of the leave side explaining their comprehensive plan how to go about the actual Brexit. Coincidentally many leading leavers dived for the bushes right after the referendum and left the (mostly remain) politicians with the task to solve out the mess.

Nobody had a comprehensive plan before the vote and it still looks like a huge mess to me.

That's the problem. Neither side expected leave to win so they had no plan to cope.

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

That's the problem. Neither side expected leave to win so they had no plan to cope.

Maybe the government should ask one of the many internet experts on this?

 

[sim667]

they decided to vote May in, she was as democratically elected as Cameron.

She didn't win by vote, she won by default.

 

[apolloa]

Funny you post videos of remainers explaining the consequences, but none of the leave side explaining their comprehensive plan how to go about the actual Brexit. Coincidentally many leading leavers dived for the bushes right after the referendum and left the (mostly remain) politicians with the task to solve out the mess.

Nobody had a comprehensive plan before the vote and it still looks like a huge mess to me.

You do know the main leader of the remain camp, David Cameron, the Prime Minister of the UK quit the very second he lost the referendum right? And your commenting on reaminers hiding?

This video pretty much sums up everything about Brexit and people's feelings: