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We will never know what they effects of ditching this trade deal will be. I really hope you are right. I really hope everyone loves the UK so much that they want to set up free trade deals left right and centre. I really hope that our government will look after workers rights and will prioritise support for the needy. I really hope that there are enough small/medium business who can exploit the new world. I really hope the banks don't leave and I really hope the car manufacturers can continue to enjoy the benefits of a really weak Pound.

I suspect that they whole affair will be a drawn out over a decade and that we will never know what could have been had we stayed.

My thoughts are that it's not as simple as the picture you paint.

Just please, please NO free trade deals with the Americans, that will never be to our advantage.

So you think it'll take 10 years and pray we carry on in pretty much exactly the same way and we shouldn't do any trade with the worlds biggest economy which is bashing our door in for a deal? We aren't going to go back into the flipping dark ages!
And the banks aren't leaving, some have already said that as it was only scaremongering.
 
So you think it'll take 10 years and pray we carry on in pretty much exactly the same way and we shouldn't do any trade with the worlds biggest economy which is bashing our door in for a deal? We aren't going to go back into the flipping dark ages!
And the banks aren't leaving, some have already said that as it was only scaremongering.
Hsbc and UBS are each planning to take 1,000 people to the eU in today's news.

US will become increasingly protectionist under Trump. Sure they will want a deal, but I guarantee that the terms will be great for them and mediocre for us. The government will agree to the deal and hail it as a great step forwards in our new global outcome.

For example the US would want access to our NHS for pharmaceuticals but you can bet they will want to scrap NICE which regulates prices as a caviat.

Did you know that the Canadians get sued by US lawyers every week, whenever they try and change any of their own labour laws? If there is a dispute it gets arbitrated by three lawyers in the Caymans. Gotta love NAFTA!

At least with the EU, agreements had to be made by 27 member states. I'll take that any day over 3 lawyers in the Caymans
 
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You sure?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-38663537

20% of HSBC's UK business potentially going to Paris. Plus 1000 high-earning jobs. That's quite a tax loss for HMRC.

Yeap,

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business...ks-wont-leave-the-city-of-london-after-brexi/

And the BBC got money from the EU before the Brexit campaigns so I don't really trust their 'impartiality'

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukn...o-referendum-fueling-accusations-of-bias.html

None of them have left yet. It's all just threats, they all damn well know they wont get all their staff to move.
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Hsbc and UBS are each planning to take 1,000 people to the eU in today's news.

US will become increasingly protectionist under Trump. Sure they will want a deal, but I guarantee that the terms will be great for them and mediocre for us. The government will agree to the deal and hail it as a great step forwards in our new global outcome.

For example the US would want access to our NHS for pharmaceuticals but you can bet they will want to scrap NICE which regulates prices as a caviat.

Did you know that the Canadians get sued by US lawyers every week, whenever they try and change any of their own labour laws? If there is a dispute it gets arbitrated by three lawyers in the Caymans. Gotta love NAFTA!

At least with the EU, agreements had to be made by 27 member states. I'll take that any day over 3 lawyers in the Caymans

NICE hahaha, the Ines who dream life saving drugs are too expensive. Not much of a loss there. Also all your saying is hear say, nine of its happened. And if we can get cheaper life saving drugs from the US which the UK will have probably help develop then why not.
 
Jesus christ Dave, I thought we were having a decent discussion, but I think you just blew it. Do you really think the death penalty is a good idea? Really? I mean: REALLY?
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Such a great sketch :D

As a punishment for the monsters such as Ted Bundy (who was executed by electric chair) they are monsters who don't belong in society and I don't think the tax payer should have to pay for them to be kept in prison. Why should my taxes go to the upkeep of the likes of Peter Sutcliffe (in the U.K.)
 
Yeap,

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business...ks-wont-leave-the-city-of-london-after-brexi/

And the BBC got money from the EU before the Brexit campaigns so I don't really trust their 'impartiality'

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukn...o-referendum-fueling-accusations-of-bias.html

None of them have left yet. It's all just threats, they all damn well know they wont get all their staff to move.
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My link is post May's speech. Yours is from October. May's speech has changed things.
 
Yeap,

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business...ks-wont-leave-the-city-of-london-after-brexi/

And the BBC got money from the EU before the Brexit campaigns so I don't really trust their 'impartiality'

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukn...o-referendum-fueling-accusations-of-bias.html

None of them have left yet. It's all just threats, they all damn well know they wont get all their staff to move.
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NICE hahaha, the Ines who dream life saving drugs are too expensive. Not much of a loss there. Also all your saying is hear say, nine of its happened. And if we can get cheaper life saving drugs from the US which the UK will have probably help develop then why not.
Best of luck apolloa, best of luck. If you think the Americans are the Ines who will come to save the day, then best of luck to all of us.

After all they were good enough to sell us 2,000 American lives for DDay. It only cost us our gold reserves. Those guys love us.
 
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The title should really been edited to "because of strong US dollar".

All currencies have been going down in relation to the US dollar since Trump was elected. I expect the app store increase to be implemented in other major countries if the US dollar continues to remains strong.

The strong dollar will make US exports more expensive around the world which is bad for the US economy. If Trump wants to bring manufacturing jobs back to the US he will need the Fed to intervene and weaken the US dollar.

As for remaoners, I just wonder what chrystal ball their using to predict all this doom and gloom because I would like to borrow it to see next week's winning lottery numbers. Just because the chattering class pedict it doesn't mean it will happen. I didn't see many of them predict a Trump victory. The UK will adapt and change to accomodate a new world order as we have always done.

Reading some of the comments from remoaners above it makes me wonder how anyone survices outside the EU. How does the rest of the world manage to feed their own people without the EU to tuck them into bed at night and read them a bedtime story.
 
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As a punishment for the monsters such as Ted Bundy (who was executed by electric chair) they are monsters who don't belong in society and I don't think the tax payer should have to pay for them to be kept in prison. Why should my taxes go to the upkeep of the likes of Peter Sutcliffe (in the U.K.)
Because if you don't pay to keep them alive, then you yourself have become complicit in murder. There is no perfect or easy solution, but I think that permitting the state to have the power to execute someone - to murder someone - is probably the worst path that society can choose to take.
 
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20% of HSBC's UK business potentially going to Paris. Plus 1000 high-earning jobs. That's quite a tax loss for HMRC.

Hopefully a lot of people will be closing their HSBC accounts and switching to British banks instead.

This might even help to correct the over-inflated London housing market which has seen prices reach ridiculous levels.
 
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No it hasn't, I could link to endless stories claiming the banks are leaving going back to before last year even, still hasn't happened and I doubt it will.

Then you'd better hope by some miracle that the banks hold onto their passport to offer services in Europe.

So far it looks potentially like JP Morgan could move 4000 jobs, Goldman Sachs 2000, HSBC 1000, UBS 1000.

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/lond...rket-serious-for-city-of-london-a3443121.html

If that happens, it will heavily dent the government budgets. These banks pay billions in taxes.
 
Then you'd better hope by some miracle that the banks hold onto their passport to offer services in Europe.

So far it looks potentially like JP Morgan could move 4000 jobs, Goldman Sachs 2000, HSBC 1000, UBS 1000.

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/lond...rket-serious-for-city-of-london-a3443121.html

If that happens, it will heavily dent the government budgets. These banks pay billions in taxes.

I personally couldn't care less about the banks, they have behaved consistently in a disgusting mannor leading the bankrupting the planet, it's disgraceful what they've done since too. Every week theirs news of X bank putting aside X billions to cover compensation costs for giant mis-selling they've done in the country breaching regulations and laws.

And I still don't believe they will leave. Yeah HSBC threatening to leave.... in 2 years!
 
Actually the EU will be hurt because the UK annually pays MORE into its economy then EVERY OTHER EU member state COMBINED bar Germany!
About a trillion dollars of business is also done between he U.K. And the EU, do you think businesses will let the EU wreck their businesses then?

Some people are incredibly short sighted.

Wrong, and wrong, and wrong and true.

Germany, France, Italy, THEN UK followed Spain and Netherlands... for the top 6 contributions. Net contributions are incredible difficult to calculate and say not that much. More important is the question what it costs per capita. Guess who's paying the highest amount per capita?

It's not about a trillion dollars of business, it's about 223 billion export, 293 billion imports. 44% of the UK export goes to the EU.
The Eu exports about 16% to the UK, but that doesn't take in account what is shipped and forwarded out the UK.
So guess who's got the most to loose? Netherlands would be impacted the most heavy. About 6% in some business.

It's not unheard of for politicians to have a mind of their own and not listen to (very possibly wise) advice from companies and institutions. They might do not what business wants.

And really true: People can be incredibly short sighted indeed.
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So you think it'll take 10 years and pray we carry on in pretty much exactly the same way and we shouldn't do any trade with the worlds biggest economy which is bashing our door in for a deal? We aren't going to go back into the flipping dark ages!
And the banks aren't leaving, some have already said that as it was only scaremongering.

Both sides have a lot to answer for in their scaremongering indeed. I remember a big red bus with some millions on the side and I do also remember talk about the world coming to and end, barbarians at the gates and all that BS etc. Etc.

I do believe working together is important. Important for economic growth, important for keeping peace and important for equalising wealth. Not just in Europe, but in the whole world.
On the other hand, the EU has been developing into directions nobody (except a few money-blinded-bankers and some career-politicians) can approve of. Democratic principles are threatened and seem at the brink of extinction, bureaucracy is unbelievable and makes it almost unworkable. Yet I do believe that many of the people that work for the EU als civil servants and staff do work hard for a better Europe.

So I think too change is needed, but I doubt leaving is the best way to improve on Europe, improve the lives of those in the UK.
 
No it hasn't, I could link to endless stories claiming the banks are leaving going back to before last year even, still hasn't happened and I doubt it will.
Well of course it hasn't happened yet. Nobody knows what the Brexit will look like, still (more than 6 month after the vote by the way).
May presented her goal/terms/threads this week. The EU side will do the same in due time, but until the final terms become clearer and the impact on the banks business will become clearer, few jobs will actually be moved.

And yes, many jobs will remain in London, it is still a big financial center of this world, but loosing the ability to also trade with the Rest of the EU legally (which leaving the EU common market means), a lot of those jobs will go to Paris or Frankfurt.
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What least we won't loose British humour :D

There is even a EU/Brexit related version of this staring the great Patrick Stewart.
 
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I personally couldn't care less about the banks, they have behaved consistently in a disgusting mannor leading the bankrupting the planet, it's disgraceful what they've done since too. Every week theirs news of X bank putting aside X billions to cover compensation costs for giant mis-selling they've done in the country breaching regulations and laws.

And I still don't believe they will leave. Yeah HSBC threatening to leave.... in 2 years!
You may not care about them but they pay 12% of the UK's taxes and make aroun 8% of the UK GDP. And going along side with them there are legal services, consulting services, IT services. And the UK is one of largest exporters of services (which ones? you guessed) in the World.
 
Yeah the banks have caused problems but they're quite important! The attitudes I've seen remind me of when you get a bad headache as a child and ask if someone could please chop your head off to stop it hurting.
 
Wrong, and wrong, and wrong and true.

Germany, France, Italy, THEN UK followed Spain and Netherlands... for the top 6 contributions. Net contributions are incredible difficult to calculate and say not that much. More important is the question what it costs per capita. Guess who's paying the highest amount per capita?

It's not about a trillion dollars of business, it's about 223 billion export, 293 billion imports. 44% of the UK export goes to the EU.
The Eu exports about 16% to the UK, but that doesn't take in account what is shipped and forwarded out the UK.
So guess who's got the most to loose? Netherlands would be impacted the most heavy. About 6% in some business.

It's not unheard of for politicians to have a mind of their own and not listen to (very possibly wise) advice from companies and institutions. They might do not what business wants.

And really true: People can be incredibly short sighted indeed.
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Both sides have a lot to answer for in their scaremongering indeed. I remember a big red bus with some millions on the side and I do also remember talk about the world coming to and end, barbarians at the gates and all that BS etc. Etc.

I do believe working together is important. Important for economic growth, important for keeping peace and important for equalising wealth. Not just in Europe, but in the whole world.
On the other hand, the EU has been developing into directions nobody (except a few money-blinded-bankers and some career-politicians) can approve of. Democratic principles are threatened and seem at the brink of extinction, bureaucracy is unbelievable and makes it almost unworkable. Yet I do believe that many of the people that work for the EU als civil servants and staff do work hard for a better Europe.

So I think too change is needed, but I doubt leaving is the best way to improve on Europe, improve the lives of those in the UK.

Right thanks. And does your import and export involve goods only then? Not services?
It's pointless trying to work for a better Europe because they couldn't care about the UK. They are sweating over the loss of our money, you wouldn't have politicians from European countries using hate speech against the UK otherwise, I consider threats to punish us for years and years as hate speech.
Europe wants its own army, it wants to control everything from one place for all its members by unelected people, that's what a union is. France and Germany will come to blows over who does run it if their not careful.

We have to leave, the entire EU idea is just turning more and more into a dictatorship, it's totally lost its way. It no longer works for the UK.
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Well of course it hasn't happened yet. Nobody knows what the Brexit will look like, still (more than 6 month after the vote by the way).
May presented her goal/terms/threads this week. The EU side will do the same in due time, but until the final terms become clearer and the impact on the banks business will become clearer, few jobs will actually be moved.

And yes, many jobs will remain in London, it is still a big financial center of this world, but loosing the ability to also trade with the Rest of the EU legally (which leaving the EU common market means), a lot of those jobs will go to Paris or Frankfurt.
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There is even a EU/Brexit related version of this staring the great Patrick Stewart.

I'm fully aware it's been over 6 months, the constant never ending moaning from the remoaners and the dispicable traitors trying to stop Brexit remind me of that!

How are we going to lose the ability to legally trade with the EU?????. Pllleeeaaasssseeeeeee do tell us all, I'm dying to know. I mean I want to then go and ask every other NONE EU country exactly how they trade with the EU!!!!

Not one job has gone yet, so likewise we have NO idea what Jobs, if any which will be none, go to Europe.
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You may not care about them but they pay 12% of the UK's taxes and make aroun 8% of the UK GDP. And going along side with them there are legal services, consulting services, IT services. And the UK is one of largest exporters of services (which ones? you guessed) in the World.

And??? The UK and Manhatren banks bankrupted the planet, the UK banks have closed branches everywhere, and they milked tax payers money yet again to keep them up after going bust, oh and let's not forget the milllions and millions and millions in bonuses the executives and high end employees pay themselves each and every year DESPITE the scams they get caught doing, the sacking of thousands of staff, the loss of profits, that's all true you can look it up.

So yeap, I couldn't care less about them and I am still waiting for one job to have been moved to the EU.......... they aren't going to go anywhere because they damn well know which side their bread is buttered. When your in a country where you have a garunteed bailout no matter what you do, you get money guaranteed, you have a monopoly that forces people to use your services and you can screw them over and get away with it and pay bonuses out, oh and then you are even able to pursued the government not to punish you anywhere near the amount you should be. You ain't going to go anywhere when you have all that.

Oh look, a bank that today stated it WILL stay in London, what a surprise:

http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-eu-barclays-idUKKBN15310V?il=0

And from before when both Barclays and HSBC stated they'll stay':

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/13743...n-is-still-the-centre-of-the-financial-world/

Oh and here's Barclays claiming it will be GOOD for Britain to leave the EU, well I never a British bank being positive about Brexit, funnily I do also believe Barclays didn't need to be bailed out by the tax payer either...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...elieves-worst-effects-Brexit-felt-Europe.html

So that's two big banks with different opinions to the others.
 
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Red for the finances, White for the racism, Blue for the pensioners over winter as their energy prices skyrocket.

Sterotypical doom laden remoaner. You have absolutely no idea.

The vast majority of EU migrants are white. How is it racist to want to limit the number of people migrating into the UK? Net migration into the UK last year was half a million people. We can't sustain that level of poulation increase year after year. Our public services are busrting at the seems trying to accomodate all these people. We don't have enough housing, we don't have enough hospital beds, etc.

No other country in the world outside the EU adopts a total open door immigration policy. Every other country has limits and entry requirements. Is the US racist? is Australia racist? Japan racist? Every other country outside the EU racist?

The good thing is that you can say what you like - we're still leaving and there is not a thing you can do about it.
 
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How many Brits leave the UK each year? Aren't there 6 million ex pats in Europe?

I do hope we get screwed on trade deals though. I don't see why we should leave the union but bully our way into having the best deals we had previously. This should be treated as a wake up call and we should be forced to start from the beginning as we are no longer the big player. We need products and services far more than many countries need us. Countries like India and China will use this to their advantage.
 
Sterotypical doom laden remoaner. You have absolutely no idea.

The vast majority of EU migrants are white. How is it racist to want to limit the number of people migrating into the UK? Net migration into the UK last year was half a million people. We can't sustain that level of poulation increase year after year. Our public services are busrting at the seems trying to accomodate all these people. We don't have enough housing, we don't have enough hospital beds, etc.

No other country in the world outside the EU adopts a total open door immigration policy. Every other country has limits and entry requirements. Is the US racist? is Australia racist? Japan racist? Every other country outside the EU racist?

The good thing is that you can say what you like - we're still leaving and there is not a thing you can do about it.

Have you read this letter by Pat Whitaker?

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp....solution-on-freedom-of-movement?client=safari

We've always had a solution to limiting movement. It's just May as Home Secretary chose not to implement it.
 
Sterotypical doom laden remoaner. You have absolutely no idea.

The vast majority of EU migrants are white. How is it racist to want to limit the number of people migrating into the UK? Net migration into the UK last year was half a million people. We can't sustain that level of poulation increase year after year. Our public services are busrting at the seems trying to accomodate all these people. We don't have enough housing, we don't have enough hospital beds, etc.

No other country in the world outside the EU adopts a total open door immigration policy. Every other country has limits and entry requirements. Is the US racist? is Australia racist? Japan racist? Every other country outside the EU racist?

The good thing is that you can say what you like - we're still leaving and there is not a thing you can do about it.

Yes, apparently it is racist to restrict free movement from the European Union members ONLY! It is perfectly acceptable however to TOTALLY restrict the movement of people from every other country including the Commonwealth as per European Law! :rolleyes:
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How many Brits leave the UK each year? Aren't there 6 million ex pats in Europe?

I do hope we get screwed on trade deals though. I don't see why we should leave the union but bully our way into having the best deals we had previously. This should be treated as a wake up call and we should be forced to start from the beginning as we are no longer the big player. We need products and services far more than many countries need us. Countries like India and China will use this to their advantage.

Is that some sort of joke? I can't tell, I'm not sure what to make of someone who posts a comment stating he hopes, I presume, their home country collapses. And you obviously fail to recognize the things the UK is known for, education and science being two.
[doublepost=1484868431][/doublepost]Oh look, yet another bank has today confirmed its full commitment to the UK, Santander! And they aren't even British!!

http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/756396/Brexit-news-Santander-UK-Britain-leave-EU

So what I said is already becoming true..
 
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Is that some sort of joke? I can't tell, I'm not sure what to make of someone who posts a comment stating he hopes, I presume, their home country collapses. And you obviously fail to recognize the things the UK is known for, education and science being two.
No it's not a joke, nor did I claim to want the UK to collapse. I am also not naive to what this country is good at, although better examples exist that are profitable. Never presume.
 
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I'm fully aware it's been over 6 months, the constant never ending moaning from the remoaners and the dispicable traitors trying to stop Brexit remind me of that!

How are we going to lose the ability to legally trade with the EU?????. Pllleeeaaasssseeeeeee do tell us all, I'm dying to know. I mean I want to then go and ask every other NONE EU country exactly how they trade with the EU!!!!

Not one job has gone yet, so likewise we have NO idea what Jobs, if any which will be none, go to Europe.

First off let me say that the use of words and expressions like remoaners and traitors pretty much excludes you from any sensible discussion. Personal attacks should have no place in political debates and only serve to bully or undermine the opponent.

The common market is important for the London financial business as it allowed a company located in the UK to essentially trade within the whole EU. An non finance equivalent is the Irish Apple branch that is used to do all trades within the EU. It is used for buffering currency fluctuations and other legal and fiscal issues and saves the company a lot of money. It is however important to be located within the target market to be effective. Many banks and other companies have such branches in the UK for various reason, taxation, legislation and language being a few of them.

If the UK left the common market (and I mean entirely and before any new terms or free trade agreements are negotiated), the advantages of being located within the target market would go away (or be limited to the UK, a much smaller market). Which is why it is to be expected that many companies will move jobs to location with the EU market to be able to still take full advantage of their local branches.

How and to what extend this will happen is of course still unclear as the terms of a new deal are still not clear and it would make little sense to move an entire branch based of whims and speculations.
 
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