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May's now said their rights will be protected. Even if the Uk and EU fell out big time the treaty of Vienna gives EU and UK citizens acquired rights if they live abroad. It was only the fear-mongering brexit saboteurs that said otherwise.

Going forward, why should an EU citizen get a better deal in the UK than, say, someone from the Anglosphere or Commonwealth with existing ties to the country? After Brexit anyone with the right skills and talents will be able to emigrate on a level playing field. Eurocentric chauvinism will be no more.
So you're saying there can be even more immigration from north Africa and the middle east then? Sounds good to me...but I'm not sure that's what many Brexiteers were voting for.
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It's called Democracy
Democracy ought to be about letting everyone has a say (vote) and then finding a solution that is in the interests of most of the country. By most I mean, 70%+, not 52%.

The biggest problem about the Brexit vote is that it will affect an entire generation. This is not just a general election that can change course in 4 years time based on the will of the people. For better or worse this decision will have an impact for 20+ years. It's not like we can vote to rejoin the EU in 2020.
 
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So you're saying there can be even more immigration from north Africa and the middle east then? Sounds good to me...but I'm not sure that's what many Brexiteers were voting for.
Potentially, unless the UK takes Australia's approach and implements a skills-based system
 
Potentially, unless the UK takes Australia's approach and implements a skills-based system
Isn't there alredy a skill-based (points-based) system for employing non-EU nationals? In what way does leaving the EU affect the UK's ability to "control" immigration from the rest of the world?
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The biggest problem about the Brexit vote is that it will affect an entire generation. This is not just a general election that can change course in 4 years time based on the will of the people. For better or worse this decision will have an impact for 20+ years. It's not like we can vote to rejoin the EU in 2020.
Actually, I think an even bigger problem is the amount of government TIME that is (and will be) being wasted on the Brexit decision and negotiations, and in revising all the laws. What a waste. All coming at a time when the lowest earners and the most vulnerable in our society are seeing their lines of support eroded or cut. Cuts to health services, cuts to youth support, cuts to charities, cuts to mental health support, cuts to housing benefit, libraries, and early years funding. The council in my area is ham-strung by the government, and the government doesn't give a crap. We also lack any meaningful opposition to those in power (the Conservatives). And without that, UK democracy stops working.
 
Potentially, unless the UK takes Australia's approach and implements a skills-based system

We already have such a thing and it hasn't done particularly well in curbing immigrant numbers. Non-EU immigration continues to outpace EU immigration despite the greater qualification burden placed on applicants.

Ultimately, what deters immigration is the strength of the economy and the friendliness of the natives. With the spike in anti-immigrant sentiment and the less than rosy projections for the economy in the short to medium term at least, this should be a bigger deterrent to all those who aren't moving for family reasons or seeking asylum.

It won't necessarily improve the employment prospects of the natives, though.
 
We already have such a thing and it hasn't done particularly well in curbing immigrant numbers. Non-EU immigration continues to outpace EU immigration despite the greater qualification burden placed on applicants.

Ultimately, what deters immigration is the strength of the economy and the friendliness of the natives. With the spike in anti-immigrant sentiment and the less than rosy projections for the economy in the short to medium term at least, this should be a bigger deterrent to all those who aren't moving for family reasons or seeking asylum.

It won't necessarily improve the employment prospects of the natives, though.

Yes, I was just reading up on it. Makes a mockery of leaving the EU to lower immigration, in my opinion.
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Isn't there alredy a skill-based (points-based) system for employing non-EU nationals? In what way does leaving the EU affect the UK's ability to "control" immigration from the rest of the world?

As far as I know, it does not.
 
i'm happy to pay the increased prices, it wont be forever as the pound will rise back up and it means we are leaving the EU so i'm ok with it. Also just to say (because i've seen posts and heard so much about it over the last few months) leaving the EU is not just about immigration, that is only a small part of the reason why many people of us voted to leave the EU.
 
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Yes, I was just reading up on it. Makes a mockery of leaving the EU to lower immigration, in my opinion
This is one reason why Remainers were (are) so pissed off by all the inaccurate propaganda that was spread around during the Brexit campaign.
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Also just to say ... leaving the EU is not just about immigration, that is only a small part of the reason why many people of us voted to leave the EU.
Perhaps you could enlighten me as to the other reasons?
 
Perhaps you could enlighten me as to the other reasons?

Sure I can, so that we can be a self governing nation, trade with who ever we like, we can make our own laws, not have to pay huge sums of money to the EU, and immigration is a part of it as well.
 
The title should really been edited to "because of strong US dollar".

All currencies have been going down in relation to the US dollar since Trump was elected. I expect the app store increase to be implemented in other major countries if the US dollar continues to remains strong.
 
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Sure I can, so that we can be a self governing nation, trade with who ever we like, we can make our own laws, not have to pay huge sums of money to the EU, and immigration is a part of it as well.
When did we cease to be self-governing? We vote for and elect a government; we pass laws. We vote for and elect representatives to the European "government", which also passes laws. MEPs get to vote on issues, just like MPs do in the UK.
The sums we pay to the EU are also passed back to us, directly or in kind, for services like infrastructure spending (in areas of most need), science, and agriculture. We also benefit from being able to work/travel visa-free across Europe (and accept workers from abroad that bolster our economy by paying taxes in the UK), not to mention tarif-free trade with the EU, and free healthcare support across the whole EU whilst we are within those countries.
I'm also very happy that we also aren't at war with one another any more.
Which of those things are bad?
 
When did we cease to be self-governing? We vote for and elect a government; we pass laws. We vote for and elect representatives to the European "government", which also passes laws. MEPs get to vote on issues, just like MPs do in the UK.
The sums we pay to the EU are also passed back to us, directly or in kind, for services like infrastructure spending (in areas of most need), science, and agriculture. We also benefit from being able to work/travel visa-free across Europe (and accept workers from abroad that bolster our economy by paying taxes in the UK), not to mention tarif-free trade with the EU, and free healthcare support across the whole EU whilst we are within those countries.
I'm also very happy that we also aren't at war with one another any more.
Which of those things are bad?

When we allowed the EU to make laws that affect the UK, when the EU get involved in laws and criminal sentences passed by our judges. Remember when the EU demanded we pay £1.7 BILLION and David Cameron paid it, money that could of gone into our NHS. Millions of people voted leave in the referendum because we wanted out of the EU and that's exactly what should happen.
 
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When did we cease to be self-governing? We vote for and elect a government; we pass laws. We vote for and elect representatives to the European "government", which also passes laws. MEPs get to vote on issues, just like MPs do in the UK.
The sums we pay to the EU are also passed back to us, directly or in kind, for services like infrastructure spending (in areas of most need), science, and agriculture. We also benefit from being able to work/travel visa-free across Europe (and accept workers from abroad that bolster our economy by paying taxes in the UK), not to mention tarif-free trade with the EU, and free healthcare support across the whole EU whilst we are within those countries.
I'm also very happy that we also aren't at war with one another any more.
Which of those things are bad?
Ah, you're using logic. ;)

Unfortunately with this emotive issue a number of people fail to use their brains and think reasonably logically. And before all the Leavers jump on me, that applies to many people on both sides of the argument.

Just because it was painted on the side of a large red bus didn't make it true.
 
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When we allowed the EU to make laws that affect the UK, when the EU get involved in laws and criminal sentences passed by our judges. Remember when the EU demanded we pay £1.7 BILLION and David Cameron paid it, money that could of gone into our NHS. Millions of people voted leave in the referendum because we wanted out of the EU and that's exactly what should happen.
I understand. These are things that can get an electorate motivated - this was used by the anti-EU lobby to great effect.

1.7 billion sounds a lot (it IS a lot). But it is also only 1% of the NHS annual budget. And only 0.2% of total annual UK public sector spending. Despite appearing to be an enormous sum, it is in fact a drop in the ocean.

EU laws that negatively affect the UK, certainly may be a problem. Do you have critical examples of such? What about some examples of EU laws that benefit the UK/society?

Millions of people (13 million to be precise) also voted NOT to leave the EU. This is why I find such a long-term binary decision (in/out) to be so problematic. The vote could have easily gone the other way 52%:48% in favour of remain, and then we'd still have 13 million unhappy people.

Yet personally, if one is interested in change, my favoured position is always that one can get more done by change from the inside (where you have a voice/vote) than by trying to change things from the outside (where you do not).
 
The title should really been edited to "because of strong US dollar".

All currencies have been going down in relation to the US dollar since Trump was elected. I expect the app store increase to be implemented in other major countries if the US dollar continues to remains strong.

Yes, the U.S. Dollar has strengthened somewhat relative to a number of currencies since the election. But the move hasn't been big enough (or prolonged enough yet) to force Apple to make this kind of adjustment. And the U.S. Dollar actually weakened versus the British Pound after the election, though it's now returned to pretty much where it was before the election versus the Pound.

This adjustment is about the weakening of the British Pound in the wake of the Brexit vote. It fell dramatically after that vote and has remained relatively weak versus the U.S. Dollar since then. Apple would prefer not to have to make this kind of adjustment, it doesn't benefit Apple financially to have the Pound weaker in this way (Apple is a net seller in the U.K., not a net buyer there). Apple didn't rush to make this adjustment, it waited about 6 months. But eventually, with the Pound not recovering much and with it having been so much weaker for so long, Apple needed to make an adjustment - for a number of reasons, to include so that developers could get a fair price for their apps sold in the U.K. without having to raise their apps' prices higher than they wanted them to be in other nations.

The move in the U.S. Dollar since the presidential election hasn't been big enough or sustained enough to justify an adjustment like this. Apple doesn't typically rush to such adjustments with every minor move in exchange rates.
 
I understand. These are things that can get an electorate motivated - this was used by the anti-EU lobby to great effect.

1.7 billion sounds a lot (it IS a lot). But it is also only 1% of the NHS annual budget. And only 0.2% of total annual UK public sector spending. Despite appearing to be an enormous sum, it is in fact a drop in the ocean.

EU laws that negatively affect the UK, certainly may be a problem. Do you have critical examples of such? What about some examples of EU laws that benefit the UK/society?

Millions of people (13 million to be precise) also voted NOT to leave the EU. This is why I find such a long-term binary decision (in/out) to be so problematic. The vote could have easily gone the other way 52%:48% in favour of remain, and then we'd still have 13 million unhappy people.

Yet personally, if one is interested in change, my favoured position is always that one can get more done by change from the inside (where you have a voice/vote) than by trying to change things from the outside (where you do not).

While I understand that, a lot of people (myself included) would say that it would be better to put that money even if it is only 1% back into the country.

An example of the laws issue and one that I can recall, is when people are sentenced to life in prison for murder, the EU Court Of Human Rights said that it was "inhumane and degrading" which was ridiculous considering these monsters had committed murder. They did however change their minds later and now they allow us to impose such sentences. In my opinion they shouldn't get involved in the first place.

I agree, if the vote had gone the other way I personllay would of been disappointed, but I wouldn't of called for another referendum, nor would I of been calling people racist just because of the way they voted. Both sides acted poorly, just because I voted leave doesn't mean I agree with everything the leave side said and did.
 
i'm happy to pay the increased prices, it wont be forever as the pound will rise back up.

Genuinely interested in why you think the pound will rise? I see no immediate reason for this unless May does turn the UK into a tax haven. Prepare for fireworks if she goes down that route, however.

Sure I can, so that we can be a self governing nation, trade with who ever we like, we can make our own laws, not have to pay huge sums of money to the EU, and immigration is a part of it as well.

We have always been able to trade with whomever we like. What on earth makes you think we were barred from trading with anyone before anyway? A few international embargoes exist but everyone else has to observe those too. It is not as if were were disadvantaged in some way.

As for trade agreements, be careful what you wish for. Instead of potentially losing jobs to eastern Europe, we can now speed up our outsourcing to developing nations. Countries like China and India will extract a heavy price for any trade agreements since they hold the upper hand in any negotiations. Their economies have been growing without any agreements in place. They need us less than we need their growing markets.
 
While I understand that, a lot of people (myself included) would say that it would be better to put that money even if it is only 1% back into the country.

An example of the laws issue and one that I can recall, is when people are sentenced to life in prison for murder, the EU Court Of Human Rights said that it was "inhumane and degrading" which was ridiculous considering these monsters had committed murder. They did however change their minds later and now they allow us to impose such sentences. In my opinion they shouldn't get involved in the first place.

I agree, if the vote had gone the other way I personllay would of been disappointed, but I wouldn't of called for another referendum, nor would I of been calling people racist just because of the way they voted. Both sides acted poorly, just because I voted leave doesn't mean I agree with everything the leave side said and did.
It could be argued that the 1.7 billion was an outstanding bill that had gone unpaid, and that we had already received a similar amount back (directly or in kind). So to me at least, yes more money for the NHS, but I'm not sure that was "our" money any more - we'd already received investment back from the EU based on that sum that we pay them. Swings and roundabouts. But it is certainly a headline figure to stir up emotion.

I agree with you about the EU courts overstepping the mark. But that can be as easily changed by lobbying/negotiation/voting, not just by leaving. Many of the things I like about the EU are nicely summarised here: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...one-for-us-david-cameron-brexit-a6850626.html
Freedom of movement around Europe (work and play), consumer protection and business benefits, and a greater influence in world affairs.

I also agree that many remainers (myself included) behaved badly in the wake of the referendum. I am still deeply upset with a situation. I think a near miss by Leave would have been the best outcome - creating a strong political statement that something is wrong and needs to be fixed (from the inside).

But to actually leave? Well...I personally think this is going to hit those already hit the hardest in society, even harder. But Joe Schmo with a job and a house? Not much difference. And for myself? Well aside from the value of my research grants decreasing about 10% (due to importing a lot of stuff from the USA) it will be bad because I am in an industry (academia) that benefits greatly from international freedom of movement. Around 20% of my research institute are foreign nationals. They come here because we are the best and so are they. This benefits the UK.
 
An example of the laws issue and one that I can recall, is when people are sentenced to life in prison for murder, the EU Court Of Human Rights said that it was "inhumane and degrading" which was ridiculous considering these monsters had committed murder. They did however change their minds later and now they allow us to impose such sentences. In my opinion they shouldn't get involved in the first place.

The European Court of Human rights has nothing to do with the EU. It was set up by the European Convention on Human rights to which 47 countries have signed up.

If your choice on exiting the EU was predicated on beliefs such as this, then I weep for the future of this country.
 
An example of the laws issue and one that I can recall, is when people are sentenced to life in prison for murder, the EU Court Of Human Rights said that it was "inhumane and degrading" which was ridiculous considering these monsters had committed murder. They did however change their minds later and now they allow us to impose such sentences. In my opinion they shouldn't get involved in the first place.
That is an example of where the EU CHR have got involved, it doesn't advance your argument as they made a correct judgement. A proud nation can boast that they treat criminals dispassionately, fairly and without the need to inflict suffering. Modern prisons try their best to withhold liberty rather than punish, the days of handcuffing prisoners to the walls till they grow a two foot beard have gone Dave. There really is no harm done to the prisoner, prison or victim's family by setting a minimum term to be served. If anything it makes it clearer to the victim's family as previously life could see them out when the system was ready. Now with minimum terms families know what to expect.

You would have been much better off picking the Abu Hamza case.
 
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The European Court of Human rights has nothing to do with the EU. It was set up by the European Convention on Human rights to which 47 countries have signed up.

If your choice on exiting the EU was predicated on beliefs such as this, then I weep for the future of this country.

That was just an example I used, it wasn't the reason I voted leave! And it's exactly your last statement that comes across as condisending, which is part of the problem the remain camp had. At the end of the day, millions voted leave, whatever the reason (I can't speak for everyone) and leave won by a very small majority. If it was the wrong decision then in years to come we will have that to think about, but at the moment we just don't know.
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That is an example of where the EU CHR have got involved, it doesn't advance your argument as they made a correct judgement. A proud nation can boast that they treat criminals dispassionately, fairly and without the need to inflict suffering. Modern prisons try their best to withhold liberty rather than punish, the days of handcuffing prisoners to the walls till they grow a two foot beard have gone Dave. There really is no harm done to the prisoner, prison or victim's family by setting a minimum term to be served. If anything it makes it clearer to the victim's family as previously life could see them out when the system was ready. Now with minimum terms families know what to expect.

You would have been much better off picking the Abu Hamza case.

I strongly disagree, and so do many victims families who have come out and said that they don't feel justice was done. Personally I think the US has the right idea with the death penalty, but that's a different disscusion. Maybe I did use the wrong example, but it was only one out of a fair few cases that grabbed the headlines.
 
When did we cease to be self-governing? We vote for and elect a government; we pass laws. We vote for and elect representatives to the European "government", which also passes laws. MEPs get to vote on issues, just like MPs do in the UK.
The sums we pay to the EU are also passed back to us, directly or in kind, for services like infrastructure spending (in areas of most need), science, and agriculture. We also benefit from being able to work/travel visa-free across Europe (and accept workers from abroad that bolster our economy by paying taxes in the UK), not to mention tarif-free trade with the EU, and free healthcare support across the whole EU whilst we are within those countries.
I'm also very happy that we also aren't at war with one another any more.
Which of those things are bad?
What least we won't loose British humour :D
 
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Personally I think the US has the right idea with the death penalty...
Jesus christ Dave, I thought we were having a decent discussion, but I think you just blew it. Do you really think the death penalty is a good idea? Really? I mean: REALLY?
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What least we won't loose British humour :D
Such a great sketch :D
 
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That was just an example I used, it wasn't the reason I voted leave!

It isn't even an example as it has nothing to do with the EU and your response was to a question regarding how much of an overreaching influence the EU is meant to have had on our independence.

Our leaving the EU will have zero effect on the jurisdiction of the ECHR on the UK and there is little appetite for changing as the blow to the international standing of the UK will be enormous. Not even Russia is thinking of leaving.

The EU court is called the European Court of Justice and it presides over cases where it is determined whether laws meant to have been implemented EU-wide have been applied equally. It tends to deal with less in the way of headline grabbing news, such as employment law, import regulations etc.
 
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The UK primarily trades with a handful of countries who care a lot about the implications of Brexit. The rest of the EU, not so much. Any deal has to be agreed with ALL member states. Businesses can grumble but I cannot see the likes of Greece agreeing to a preferential deal with the UK just to keep Germany happy after the sackcloth and ashes it was forced to don. There are other member states who really have had enough of the UK and have nothing to lose trade wise by our exiting the EU to say nothing of those who have plenty to gain.

Nor do the likes of Germany necessarily compete on price. It isn't a low-cost supplier like China. The people who buy BMWs or high-spec construction parts aren't suddenly going to swap them with Hyundais and breeze blocks after tariffs come in.

It is hard to gauge exactly what the balance of trade is between the EU and the UK because of the difficulty in measuring what are physical exports and what are services and by how much of either stay within the EU rather than use it as a transit point to the rest of the world. By the worst measure, the EU accounts for 44% of our total exports whilst the UK accounts for 8% of the EU's. Not a strong bargaining position to start from.

Yes all member states need to agree with the outcome, so what, that's not news. And if we don't get what we want we will just walk away, as stated in yesterday's speech.
Greece has been milking money from the EU to stop the country going bust for the last few years, I really don't think they have much of a bargaining chip with the rest of the EU that's propping that country up! And no country has had 'enough' of the UK, show some factual proof from the leaders of those country's to prove it and yes they do have plenty to lose, Poland has plenty of people here and they won't want the UK to kick them out and to damage it's links to this country. And BMW and the like have a very big market in the UK, the UK itself has around a 24 billion sterling deficit with the EU, are you saying that 24 billion sterling worth of business isn't important? I'm more then confident businesses will claim otherwise.
The UK has about a trillion dollars of trade with the EU, the only thing the EU wants is money, and I fell it's corporations will ensure they get good access to the UK market for it, which of course means we will get what we want.

All you need to do is google for facts, plenty out there, the UK has an INCREDIBLY strong position to bargain from. It's short sighted to state otherwise. The EU leaders will start to fold now as we have stated our position, they already have.

I read somewhere that separating from the EU is akin to each country turning a gun on themselves. The EU shooting itself in the foot and the UK shooting itself in the head!

What we do know is that the cost of imports from the EU could be unaffected, if the UK so chooses, as tariffs are put on products by importing countries not exporters. We know that our exports will be less competitive as tariffs will be imposed by the EU, they simply have no choice here. The net effect of this is fairly neutral whilst we have a devalued sterling. Any increases in tariffs will be offset by a weak and therefore cheap pound.

If the UK government decides to impose tariffs on imports from the EU this could also be beneficial. It will have the effect of making it more economical to manufacture goods and services at home rather than buying them in, this is ultimately the goal of any economy who chooses to devalue its currency.

The reason why I think it is wrong for us to 'Leave' is that ultimately the poorest in our society will be the ones who get screwed over in the short/medium term. We will have a cashflow crisis, investment in infrastructure, job creation, training, housing, already incredibly low, will get worse. Job creation, in proper full time permanent jobs, not zero hours, will become a less desirable. Government will do all they can to promote the economy, as they must, but this will be at the expense of workers rights. Ultimately the working class, the ones who build products and provide services, will be the ones who are set to get less out of the deal. In the medium to long term no one knows, I have a feeling we will end up where we destined to be.

An we will impose tariffs on the EU's imports to the UK which WILL damage the economy of those European countries', because the deficit is so much. We can do what we want as we won't have to fold into the EU's demands anymore.

Their will be no big negative impact on anything medium to long term, people seem to be very closed minded, we have been locked into the EU and the single market for so long now, successive governments have contineunly sold more and more and more of the UK down the EU river that we have locked ourselves out from the rest of the world.
We made the commonwealth yet we can't have people from those countries here working yet we MUST allow people from Europe?

People need to open their eye's, see the HUGE opportunities out there, realise just HOW RESPECTED the UK is, because it really is, and take the entire planet by the dangles because we will now have full, unadulterated, great access and opportunities to it all. Your a human being, an intelligent person, use that intelligence and go out there and grab the world, plenty of UK and global businesses are going to do that. Look at all those people that preached doom and gloom and the end of the world for the UK's economy, they've now been apologising for basically 'stretching the truth'!! Including the governor of the Bank Of England Mr Carney!!!!

An awful lot of porkies were told because plenty of the elite are making millions from the EU, as they are a tiny percent they can sod off. This country is for everyone and the people have shown that.

As for workers rights, did you not hear that they will be enforced in the UK, as will other laws and regulations. It's not like oh we all thick as s*** in the UK and are totally and utterly and completely helpless without the EU because we can't make any laws or regulations up... I think we are more then capable of forcing bent bananas to be binned because they aren't straight enough! And we can ditch the stupid laws that really impacted this country and our lives.

People should go and read up on what governments have done to the UK since John Major, that's when it started, in particular Tony Blair and Gordon Brown enjoyed giving our sovereignty away to the EU from around 2005, he's the reason the rebate the UK got from it's EU contributions fell by about 40%.

If you don't like that we are leaving, I suggest you chose very very very carefully who you vote into power.
 
Yes all member states need to agree with the outcome, so what, that's not news. And if we don't get what we want we will just walk away, as stated in yesterday's speech.
Greece has been milking money from the EU to stop the country going bust for the last few years, I really don't think they have much of a bargaining chip with the rest of the EU that's propping that country up! And no country has had 'enough' of the UK, show some factual proof from the leaders of those country's to prove it and yes they do have plenty to lose, Poland has plenty of people here and they won't want the UK to kick them out and to damage it's links to this country. And BMW and the like have a very big market in the UK, the UK itself has around a 24 billion sterling deficit with the EU, are you saying that 24 billion sterling worth of business isn't important? I'm more then confident businesses will claim otherwise.
The UK has about a trillion dollars of trade with the EU, the only thing the EU wants is money, and I fell it's corporations will ensure they get good access to the UK market for it, which of course means we will get what we want.

All you need to do is google for facts, plenty out there, the UK has an INCREDIBLY strong position to bargain from. It's short sighted to state otherwise. The EU leaders will start to fold now as we have stated our position, they already have.



An we will impose tariffs on the EU's imports to the UK which WILL damage the economy of those European countries', because the deficit is so much. We can do what we want as we won't have to fold into the EU's demands anymore.

Their will be no big negative impact on anything medium to long term, people seem to be very closed minded, we have been locked into the EU and the single market for so long now, successive governments have contineunly sold more and more and more of the UK down the EU river that we have locked ourselves out from the rest of the world.
We made the commonwealth yet we can't have people from those countries here working yet we MUST allow people from Europe?

People need to open their eye's, see the HUGE opportunities out there, realise just HOW RESPECTED the UK is, because it really is, and take the entire planet by the dangles because we will now have full, unadulterated, great access and opportunities to it all. Your a human being, an intelligent person, use that intelligence and go out there and grab the world, plenty of UK and global businesses are going to do that. Look at all those people that preached doom and gloom and the end of the world for the UK's economy, they've now been apologising for basically 'stretching the truth'!! Including the governor of the Bank Of England Mr Carney!!!!

An awful lot of porkies were told because plenty of the elite are making millions from the EU, as they are a tiny percent they can sod off. This country is for everyone and the people have shown that.

As for workers rights, did you not hear that they will be enforced in the UK, as will other laws and regulations. It's not like oh we all thick as s*** in the UK and are totally and utterly and completely helpless without the EU because we can't make any laws or regulations up... I think we are more then capable of forcing bent bananas to be binned because they aren't straight enough! And we can ditch the stupid laws that really impacted this country and our lives.

People should go and read up on what governments have done to the UK since John Major, that's when it started, in particular Tony Blair and Gordon Brown enjoyed giving our sovereignty away to the EU from around 2005, he's the reason the rebate the UK got from it's EU contributions fell by about 40%.

If you don't like that we are leaving, I suggest you chose very very very carefully who you vote into power.
We will never know what they effects of ditching this trade deal will be. I really hope you are right. I really hope everyone loves the UK so much that they want to set up free trade deals left right and centre. I really hope that our government will look after workers rights and will prioritise support for the needy. I really hope that there are enough small/medium business who can exploit the new world. I really hope the banks don't leave and I really hope the car manufacturers can continue to enjoy the benefits of a really weak Pound.

I suspect that they whole affair will be a drawn out over a decade and that we will never know what could have been had we stayed.

My thoughts are that it's not as simple as the picture you paint.

Just please, please NO free trade deals with the Americans, that will never be to our advantage.
 
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