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Apple Hints at Product Refreshes?
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jep, although it's hard to wait, i'll succeed.
the money is sitting in the bank and will belong to Apple when rev B's come out, but they could get more money from me if they'd release them before 26th of june, so I can use the display promo. If I can't use the promo, I will not buy an apple display, then i'll stick with my 2 19" CRT's. Because the new apple displays price will be too high, when accumulated with a G5 purchase.. too bad
the money is sitting in the bank and will belong to Apple when rev B's come out, but they could get more money from me if they'd release them before 26th of june, so I can use the display promo. If I can't use the promo, I will not buy an apple display, then i'll stick with my 2 19" CRT's. Because the new apple displays price will be too high, when accumulated with a G5 purchase.. too bad
OMG... That's like saying that everyone is on the same purchasing cycle.... The average business udpates every two to three years. Many studies have been done to show this. Consumers run on about the same cycle.Rustus Maximus said:
So you're right people don't upgrade as often as 3 to 6 months. However, different companies/people will upgrade between these times and will expect the latest hardware. That's what so great about compeititon. You have to be on the top of your game. You have to have the best comopenents for the best value. Too bad Apple is the only company making computer that can run OS X. They don't have to play by the rules. They can take their sweet time and do what they want. Nevermind that it may make people steer clear of Apple for various reasons.
A lot have people have waited and with good reason. They want the best for their hard earned money. They are reasonbly in expecting udpates. The entire computer industry is updating constantly. So it makes sense, since this is Apples own history of updates.
Expect more not less. Sheesh.
I think these delays put doubts in peoples minds...
Sorry for a noob butting in, but I would have thought that if Apple were going to update anything then it would be the range of displays which, by my estimation, are nearing a two year limit or more.
Or will that come sooner? I would have thought new LCD HDTV ready displays would be perfect for the "professional" WWDC?
I wouldn't mind G5 powerbooks either, but my g4 Ti is fine for now!
Or will that come sooner? I would have thought new LCD HDTV ready displays would be perfect for the "professional" WWDC?
I wouldn't mind G5 powerbooks either, but my g4 Ti is fine for now!
G5 dual ain't that fast
For all you fools stating that updates aren't even necessary, your wrong. I can only guess that the people running G5's and satisfied with their performance are doing it for apps like photoshop, illustrator, and the like. However if you do heavy video editing--lot's of effects, multiple tracks, etc--or 3d modeling the current G5 is inadequate.
Actually what's even more sad about this issue is that it's not even a hardware problem. Software has simply not caught up to the hardware. Infact the dual processing efficiency of even apple's much touted software is inadequate. If I am doing some renders or file encodes I run the cpu monitor at the same time. And although it occasionally spikes to 80% to 90%, most of the time it sits at somewhere around 60% (as a total of both processors). I hope the work IBM and Apple are doing to optimize the gcc compiler is going well because the apps need it. And bad!
For all you fools stating that updates aren't even necessary, your wrong. I can only guess that the people running G5's and satisfied with their performance are doing it for apps like photoshop, illustrator, and the like. However if you do heavy video editing--lot's of effects, multiple tracks, etc--or 3d modeling the current G5 is inadequate.
Actually what's even more sad about this issue is that it's not even a hardware problem. Software has simply not caught up to the hardware. Infact the dual processing efficiency of even apple's much touted software is inadequate. If I am doing some renders or file encodes I run the cpu monitor at the same time. And although it occasionally spikes to 80% to 90%, most of the time it sits at somewhere around 60% (as a total of both processors). I hope the work IBM and Apple are doing to optimize the gcc compiler is going well because the apps need it. And bad!
7on said:
Makes me long for my long lost Amiga 4000 and a Gen Lock . . . back when digital camer'as were in thier infacy and I had a large RCA videocamera perched on a stand like some bizaarr microscope for making frame animations. . .
So is this suspose to make things better. I'm sure they'll announce them at WWDC and they won't ship til months later.
crees! said:
PB's should update next week... I finally broke down and ordered one. 
*sigh*
I may have to go to WWDC this year though I am worried about flying into DC on July3rd
*sigh*
I may have to go to WWDC this year though I am worried about flying into DC on July3rd
Yes... you have the say on what makes someone a pro and not a pro... We must all bow to Jookbox for his superior knowledge.Jookbox said:
of course they would, who doesn't think they wouldn't refresh anything then? they haven't significantly updated anything for about a year. this is a no-brainer.
1macker1 said:
The G4 Powerbooks can run XP. The Dell laptops only can run Mac OS 8.1.
I have a 17" Powerbook, and IMHO it is the best laptop ever built. Look at http://www.macvspc.info and you'll see that processor and Mhz isn't everything.
I can't believe all the Apple apologists falling over themselves to be used and abused by Mr. Jobs and his merry band of slackers. "Thank you, sir. May I please have another?"
This is really inexcusable. A year between updates (and it will be a year, because there will inevitably be a two month delay before delivery after WWDC announcements)? This is the computer industry, people. Frequent updates are a fact of life. Customers expect it and hold off on purchases when an update seems due/overdue.
What do you think is the point of MacRumor's Buyer's Guide? Let's take a stroll through the handy guide and see what it says about Apple's computer line:
So every line except the xServe is long in the tooth. Admittedly, these are not official Apple forecasts, they're just arn's predictions based on past behavior, but that's my pointbased on past behavior. Most of the people who bother themselves to come to a site like this time their decisions to get the latest and greatest and not to get ripped offnobody wants to spend thousands for a computer only to see it's price cut significantly a month later when Apple updates the line.
If Apple is moving to annual updates, they are doing themselves (not to mention their customers) great harm. There will be a rash of purchases right after release. Everyone will get mad waiting three months for their orders to be filled, and then sales will fall off. Three out of every four quarters will be dismal. The PowerMac has not sold well since the Fallsince people stopped seeing the current offerings as fresh and current.
It's going to get a lot worse if people have to wait till summer.
This is really inexcusable. A year between updates (and it will be a year, because there will inevitably be a two month delay before delivery after WWDC announcements)? This is the computer industry, people. Frequent updates are a fact of life. Customers expect it and hold off on purchases when an update seems due/overdue.
What do you think is the point of MacRumor's Buyer's Guide? Let's take a stroll through the handy guide and see what it says about Apple's computer line:
So every line except the xServe is long in the tooth. Admittedly, these are not official Apple forecasts, they're just arn's predictions based on past behavior, but that's my pointbased on past behavior. Most of the people who bother themselves to come to a site like this time their decisions to get the latest and greatest and not to get ripped offnobody wants to spend thousands for a computer only to see it's price cut significantly a month later when Apple updates the line.
If Apple is moving to annual updates, they are doing themselves (not to mention their customers) great harm. There will be a rash of purchases right after release. Everyone will get mad waiting three months for their orders to be filled, and then sales will fall off. Three out of every four quarters will be dismal. The PowerMac has not sold well since the Fallsince people stopped seeing the current offerings as fresh and current.
It's going to get a lot worse if people have to wait till summer.
gopher said:
How is that possible? Do you mean technically feasible, or these laptops can actually support one another?
I think Apple has something cooking.
The G5 was a total surprise to the market. It was known that they were working on a chip, but not such a radical change to the architecture and design...correct me if my memory is failing me.
I think Powerbook updates are unlikely in G5 fashion - the rumors confirm it and so does Motorola's recent release of the G4 at 1.5 GHz. Why would Motorola release a chip to a non-existent market?
I do think we will see a major G5 update, and I believe they will break 3.0 GHz with the Rev. B's. They have to in order to maintain any credibiltiy.
Just my worthless two cents. My G4 does everything I need it to until I start doing more rendering. Hopefully the G5 will be updated by then.
The G5 was a total surprise to the market. It was known that they were working on a chip, but not such a radical change to the architecture and design...correct me if my memory is failing me.
I think Powerbook updates are unlikely in G5 fashion - the rumors confirm it and so does Motorola's recent release of the G4 at 1.5 GHz. Why would Motorola release a chip to a non-existent market?
I do think we will see a major G5 update, and I believe they will break 3.0 GHz with the Rev. B's. They have to in order to maintain any credibiltiy.
Just my worthless two cents. My G4 does everything I need it to until I start doing more rendering. Hopefully the G5 will be updated by then.
davidnator said:
So, let me ask, even if the PMG5 is inadequate for your use, what other products do you have to choose from that are more qualified for this work?
davidnator said:
So what you're saying is that Apple needs to update its SOFTWARE...NOT its hardware...at least for the use you have mentioned.
I suspect that they are working, hard, on both.
scdreger said:okay with the speeds you're expecting...you're a dreamer
and if you think apple will ever be including 2 gigs of ram standard,
you're on smack!!!
Sometimes dreams do come true. The wait may just be so Steve can really wow us on this 20th anniversary year. In reality I don't see why 1 gig DDR wouldn't be standard.
Let me see if I can break this down...
What does that mean? Does it mean that there are no valid excuses for the timing of their product releases? Like engineering, logistics, supply issues?
Well, first of all, it has not YET been a year since they announced the machines...only about 9 months. Second, it has only been 6 months since they began shipping. Third, it is quite possible that they will be ready to ship when they announce. This is not impossible or even unprecedented. There are many, possibly invalid, assumptions in what you are saying.
So? Who cares? Is the current PMG5 adequate for your needs? If not, go buy the product that is.
Do they really? Or is it that "geeks" who have so much time to read/post Apple rumors and message boards do this? I am willing to bet that it is the latter.
Awimoway said:
What does that mean? Does it mean that there are no valid excuses for the timing of their product releases? Like engineering, logistics, supply issues?
Awimoway said:
Well, first of all, it has not YET been a year since they announced the machines...only about 9 months. Second, it has only been 6 months since they began shipping. Third, it is quite possible that they will be ready to ship when they announce. This is not impossible or even unprecedented. There are many, possibly invalid, assumptions in what you are saying.
Awimoway said:
So? Who cares? Is the current PMG5 adequate for your needs? If not, go buy the product that is.
Awimoway said:
Do they really? Or is it that "geeks" who have so much time to read/post Apple rumors and message boards do this? I am willing to bet that it is the latter.
What happens at WWDC when Apple introduces
new G5 Powermacs topping out under 3Ghz?
From the problems they've supposedly had
there's no guarantee that we'll actually see
3Ghz Powermacs by September 04
new G5 Powermacs topping out under 3Ghz?
From the problems they've supposedly had
there's no guarantee that we'll actually see
3Ghz Powermacs by September 04
I am really amazed at the amount of negativity about Apple here. Not because they have delivered a crappy product, but because they aren't moving fast enough.
BTW...with regard to the "the rest of the industry updates every 3 months"...this might well be true, but I suspect that they are relatively minor updates, where what you see from Apple over 4-6 months is an aggregate of the updates you've seen by the competitors.
BTW...with regard to the "the rest of the industry updates every 3 months"...this might well be true, but I suspect that they are relatively minor updates, where what you see from Apple over 4-6 months is an aggregate of the updates you've seen by the competitors.