Exactly my point. They have to collect data to understand the usage and build better software & services. They don't need to know the user personally or tie the collected data to his/her ID.
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Apple Hit With Class Action Alleging It Tracks Users Despite Privacy Assurances
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That’s a huge leap to take from CSAM given it’s a requirement from governments all over the world under powers given to the State after 9/11.
Why CSAM makes them “one of the rest” only makes sense if Intelligence agencies are your primary concern.
The actual “rest”’s *business functions* rely on vacuuming and analyzing as much data as possible. Apple doesn’t *rely* on ad revenue (however annoying it is that they’re expanding in that field).
I’ll still take Apple over Google/Facebook/Twitter etc, whose explicit business IS data collection.
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Take your pick. Meta collects / sells data
This is what I kept saying all these years, when all the privacy nuts were saying Apple is all about protecting your privacy...
And yeah they did, just from their competitors - but not themselves.
And yeah they did, just from their competitors - but not themselves.
What happened was CA exploited access Facebook granted to researchers (access the majority were in favour of at the time, as a way for Facebook to do some good with their troves of data).
To imply this in some way indicates Facebook sold data as a business model is disingenuous in the extreme.
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Of course it’s still sending data. The difference is it’s anonymized and does in no way identify the user or compromise their privacy. This lawsuit is silly.
That's great for you. But not everyone is so blindly trusting of a multi-trillion dollar corporation.
Not seeing the "opportunism" in calling Apple out on not following the privacy practices they constantly tout in their marketing materials.
If Apple wants to market its goods and services based on privacy, they should expect some scrutiny by people making sure they're actually doing what they say -- and it sounds like they're getting that scrutiny now.
Naturally Apple's lawyers will request that Mysk can backup their claims and if Mysk can actually backup their claims and prove Apple is doing what Mysk are claiming they are doing then Apple is in for some serious trouble, especially from European countries who take a very hard line on privacy.
To you, maybe, not to me. Doing scanning and reporting of said scans on *my* device is the epitome of a lack of privacy.
There is nothing that the other players do that is as bad as using my device to scan. As for their servers (and Apple's) they can scan their own servers, fine by me, it's their responsibility to not have illegal content on their servers. It's my responsibility to not have illegal content on my device, but if someone else wants to check it, they better have a warrant.
?? At least in the U.S., the government still needs a warrant to search someone's private property. That's still the case.
I just meant they are just like everyone else, our privacy doesn't mean anything to them other than as marketing scheme. If Apple was really privacy oriented, they wouldn't have proposed such a scheme.
And you don't think Apple has always been that way? I do. To analyize trends to figure out what to sell and not sell. I'm far more tolerant of that than something like the on device CSAM scanning.
I just don't see much, if any, difference. Selling the data to others can go overboard, but I'm not convinced the biggies like Google/Facebook/Twitter actually sells personally identifiable info to others.
I noticed that the ads I get are eerily related to the contents of my iMessage conversations. Friend messages me to complain about heartburn and later that day I start getting ads for Prilosec, special pillows to prevent acid reflux, etc. even with my VPN enabled. so this doesn’t surprise me at all.
It's gotten to the point where people need to start dumbing down their use of smartphones. Meaning, such as myself, only using it for phone calls and texts. No internet, no apps, no emails nothing. I can do all of that from my computer, which has way better privacy protocols and blocking via AdGuard. I know how to get where I'm going by memory because I'm intelligent and do not need a.i. to guide me through life; also telling me where to go, what to eat, when to sleep, what movie I should watch next. Anyone who is okay with those things, fine, that's their choice. All I'd like to know is how they'd live without their device for one whole week.
Oh without a doubt texts are being analyzed by the device to procure relevant information. Even listening, when in fact, mics should be off. I was clipping my nails one day and complained to my other half how I clipped one nail too far and how it's sensitive. We simply conversed about it openly, in person. No texts or anything about the subject. Couple days later, I start seeing ads about nail clipping and proper ways to care for my cuticles. WTF
Something I mentioned in another thread - Apple is trying to make the iPhone a premium SAK when all I need is an EDC.
May want to wait with such blind faith statements until the law suit goes to court, and if it does, what the verdict will be. I do hope that Apple is proven not guilty but these allegations deserve to be legally scrutinized.
I do find it odd that if I swipe right on my iPhone all the news articles are "golf" stories" I golf 6 days a week. Weird. i bet there is more to this story than just Stock apps.
A legal court case in the US will determine the legal point or contention based solely on rhetorical presentations of the legal counsels specifically detailed to (mis)represent any weaknesses of their own case as well as (mis)represent the strength of their own case ALL THE WHILE managing to (mis)represent the weaknesses of their opponents case and (mis)represent the the strengths of their opponents case.
Apple will attempt to keep anyone from finding out anything material in their handling of data while the plaintiffs will want to exaggerate the risk of anything they can prise loose. A lot of this will take place in pre-trial actions.
The customers will probably never learn of anything material, other than the press releases by Apple and the plaintiffs after the fact.
This is a circus of sophistry, not the place any audience will never have any revelations that can ever establish overall innocence or dispel the 'But What About' continuing amateur allegations against Apple in things like a Comments section.
Russian notification software found in US Army, CDC apps | AppleInsider
A recent investigation found thousands of apps in the App Store that contained code from Russian company Pushwhoosh, which pretends to be based in the United States.
...Pushwoosh code was found in almost 8,000 apps in Apple's App Store and Google's Play Store...
Privacy, the AppStore is a save place, suuuurreeee - no comment!
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I will never ever forget the iPhone 4 scandal and the blackballing that happened after. Gizmodo has never been the same.