Should 3G and LTE be turned off by default?
What about the option for downloading apps over Mobile data which is also on by default?
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Apple Hit With Class Action Lawsuit for New Wi-Fi Assist Feature
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What about the option for downloading apps over Mobile data which is also on by default?
Thats a really crazy comparison to make.
This new feature uses your mobile data, even though it shouldn't because Wifi is on, the old iOS behaviour. Apple should highlight this feature to users or have it off by default.
I don't think extort means what you think it means. And certainly not in relation to this case.
This is a CLASS-ACTION lawsuit. The complainants aren't claiming $5M in damages for themselves.
Their lawyers are attempting to combine ALL users into a single lawsuit. If they succeed, you will get a letter in the mail asking you if you wanted to become a member of the class and share in the settlement.
Your share of the settlement would likely be less than $1. But, the lawyers would get 40%.
I know exactly what extort means. And in this case, it's accurate.
The lawyers are simply trying to cow Apple into settling, or risk a larger damage award.
Ok so what happens in two iOS versions time where most people are used to the option (like LTE) but some still don't realise or are new to iOS and it is no longer in the release notes and still on by default.
How long should it be highlighted for. It was in the release notes. Just because the culture is that you don't bother reading them doesn't mean the info isn't there. Should we still be told in iOS 11 about this feature.
I read the release notes decided it wasn't for me for various reasons and so turned it off. I didn't wait until it was all over forums to know about the feature.
No you really don't seem to know what it means. But it's cool. Rant away
Yeah I didn't even know about wifi assist. And I'm pretty into my iPhone and update regularly and try to stay up to date.
I turned it off right now. And I have unlimited data with T Mobile.
I still don't want that.
I turned it off right now. And I have unlimited data with T Mobile.
I still don't want that.
Me. Every night.
On my 5S I hang over the edge of the bed and browse the web before bed and using in Landscape is great.
Your talking this;
Versus this;
One is good for reading, the other less so the difference is a lot more pronounee on the actual phone.
Before you talk about reader mode, not all websites seem to support it.
Very well put. I see so many people whining about how Apple should have done this or that, but this feature was documented in the release notes. If you didn't read the release notes:
On top of that, iOS has had the ability to disable the use of cellular data BY APPLICATION for at least the past major release. If you are using an application that you don't want to consume your cellular data, you can disable it. It only takes a few seconds to do it.
It's interesting, the only reason it's an "issue" now is simply because there's a user facing option that is enabled. When Apple improved WiFi detection sensitivity in previous iOS versions and hardware versions no one said anything simply because there was no user facing option and people just got the benefit by default. I bet if there wasn't a user facing option we'd probably not only not see a lawsuit but see some articles and threads praising Apple for improving WiFi detection so that people aren't stuck with a poor non-working connection for a longer period of time and have a smart phone that better senses when they need to be switched to provide a more seamless and better experience.
ex·tort
ikˈstôrt/
verb
obtain (something) by force, threats, or other unfair means.
I'm not the one ranting here. I see posting after posting by people that claim that Apple should have done what THEY wanted, and now Apple should pay.
But, Apple documented this feature in the release notes. If you didn't read them, that's on you, not Apple.
Apple also provided a means BEFORE this release to disable the use of cellular data by specific applications. If you didn't use it, that's your choice.
But, since I think you should take responsibility for yourself, I'm the one that's "ranting".
None of the uninformed people that didn't take the time to read the release notes will get anything close to even one increment of overage charge. They'll be lucky to receive a couple of bucks. The only one to make anything will be the lawyers that are literally extorting Apple to pay, so they will go away.
If you are an class-action attorney and I'm offending you, then you're welcome. My attorney has been very explicit about what he would like you to go home and do.
You aren't missing anything. The amount is just enough to make money for the lawyers (40%, or $2M) and not enough for Apple to spend any effort fighting it.
If you think it has anything to do with compensating people who didn't bother to read the release notes, you are sadly mistaken.
I still find it laughable that you persist defending Apple. It should be an optional on off thing when you set up your iPhone then. Like Siri and Location settings are, with a warning of what it does.
Did the update notes say "Warning, this feature may cost you extra, as it may use your mobile data when you expect it not to"?
We're talking average users here.
This issue isn't just for people the updated their software and may or may not have read release notes though. Right? What about new iPhone buyers or upgraders?
My guess is that they are saying the damages to the "class," which is anyone on a metered data plan, exceed $5 million. If history is any guide, the attorneys will walk away with a few million and everyone else will get peanuts if they submit dozens of pages of documents.
This whole thing makes me sick. People saying that Apple is in the right here are just inviting companies like Apple to screw over consumers. Why does anyone feel the need to defend them, when Apple clearly made a poor choice in enabling this feature by default, or not giving adequate warning to users of its effects.
Your average user isn't tech savvy, so it should be spelt out for them. Plus its no longer in the release notes - it stopped being in the release notes if you were upgrading from a previous version wiht iOS 9.0.1.
What about people who have bought a device (5S, 6 or 6S) and restored their device from a backup. It should not be turned on by default.
Your average user isn't tech savvy, so it should be spelt out for them. Plus its no longer in the release notes - it stopped being in the release notes if you were upgrading from a previous version wiht iOS 9.0.1.
What about people who have bought a device (5S, 6 or 6S) and restored their device from a backup. It should not be turned on by default.
I think the difference of opinion that you guys (and lots of people) are having comes down to perspective, not the facts.
Yes, you're absolutely right (and many others are wrong in this thread) in your characterization of what's going on here. It is a class action suit, which means that the dollar amount in question isn't crazy at all (because it covers an entire class). And yes, you're absolutely right that lawyers will get a plurality of the money here.
However, that's simply the way the industry works. And I don't think the EULA ought to get Apple off the hook on this one. It was bad policy, and expecting users—who span from the technically inclined to the grandmas and grandpas of the world—cannot reasonably be expected to foresee the implications of this "feature."
IMHO, it should have been off by default, and it should bring up a pop-up warning when you turn it on. And it certainly shouldn't be buried all the way at the bottom of the "Cellular" settings menu.
Another BS lawsuit wanting to dip in the deep pockets of Apple. it appears to be something that can be turned off, so...turn it off. I don't believe lawsuits based on stupidity have any merit.
The stupidity is on Apple's part. Users should have been warned properly. It should not be enabled by default, as it can and has caused many people to have charged stupid amounts of money for data that was downloaded despite them being connected to a wifi network, when previous iOS behaviour was that when you're on a wifi network, the wifi overrides mobile data. So people will obviously stick to their same pattern of usage (EG - wait till you're home to watch youtube, because you're on a limited plan, and you have wifi at home), but will get hit with big bills in the case wifi is patchy that night.
My God you people are spoiled! Before wifi assist your phone would switch to cellular. It happened to my wife frequently way before wifi assist. Did she complain and blame Apple or her wireless carrier? No we installed another wifi AP in the house to get rid of dead spots.
It isn't laughable in the slightest.
Do we get a popup screen asking can every app access mobile data. No we don't it is enabled by default and you can go and turn it off app by app.
Is there a warning when you turn on your phone or do an update informing you that you may be using data and may cost you extra.
Wifi assist has always been there in some form of fashion. You go 'out' of range and it switches to cellular data. Now you can actually control whether you are properly out of range.
It seems Apple wants to micromanage the enduser experience.
Obviously it should be OFF by default. Same as bluetooth with gets switched on by default after updates.
Obviously it should be OFF by default. Same as bluetooth with gets switched on by default after updates.
This is what I've maintained since I started the thread when this issue was brought to light several weeks ago.