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To all the moronic haters on this thread: Would you really be okay signing a contract to pay for a product for 12 months but end up having to pay for 13 or 14 months because of no fault of your own? Just stop. Im not even affected by this and I understand it.

Ah, but you signed a contract to pay for the device for 24 months. Part of the agreement is that after you have made the equivalent of 12 payments, subject to availability, you can take the device to a store and get a shiny new device, entering in a new 24 month contract.

What happens if Apple does not announce the iPhone 7 until late October?
 
I must say, I've been a Mac developer since 1985, iOS since 2008, and this is the worst Apple Experience I've had. Waited till 3AM, no upgrade and no waiting list for shipment. Today, 40 minutes on phone to get to Apple, who took my info and then put me on hold another 30 minutes to get to someone else who merely verified the info, then got the EMail and promise to call in two days. I think this may work out, but I can't believe this snafu. I thought the upgrades would be easy, almost automatic, say what model you want, a credit check and you're off. Oy.

I was on the phone for 4.5 hours before I finally earned the privilege of an email stating that I can wait another 48 business hours for Apple to follow up with me with an unspecified update. That is the definition of awesome customer service!
 
There are still dozens of iPhone 7 32GBs available at my local apple stores for launch day pickup. There is your upgrade. Nothing mentions it has to be the device you particularly want.

In addition to the obvious downgrade of 128gb to 32gb in your example:

iPhone 6s Plus = 5.5" screen
iPhone 7 = 4.7" screen
iPhone 7 Plus = 5.5" screen

I would not consider it an upgrade if any of the features of the "upgraded" device end up being a downgrade.
 
In addition to the obvious downgrade of 128gb to 32gb in your example:

iPhone 6s Plus = 5.5" screen
iPhone 7 = 4.7" screen
iPhone 7 Plus = 5.5" screen

I would not consider it an upgrade if any of the features of the "upgraded" device end up being a downgrade.

In all fairness you did say iPhone 7. That is still an upgrade from a 6s Plus. I'm just playing devils advocate. No one was promised a launch day phone via the program. I'm in the same boat as everyone else. My top choice wasn't available to me. I wasted 20 minutes trying to figure out what was going on. But I'm not suing.
 
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Good thing that on Apples website for the IUP (http://www.apple.com/shop/iphone/iphone-upgrade-program) they say
"I’m already enrolled in the iPhone Upgrade Program. How do I upgrade my current iPhone?
You can upgrade at an Apple Store anytime after six months, as long as you’ve made the equivalent of at least 12 payments. You can also check your upgrade eligibility now."

So you can upgrade at a store...but let's ignore this and start suing over not being able to buy the phone outside of a store. They have to have your old phone in hand and evaluated before giving you a new one. That is what everyone signed up for.
 
I've bought plenty of things on installment payments. And just maybe I don't have an inflated sense of entitlement.

They kept their word to make you eligible to buy. They offer the device for sale starting Friday. They will happily sell you a phone provided you find one in stock or reserve one when you can. We already know when reservations will go live again.

Those are your choices and what you are actually promised.

But in the real world they can't sell you something they don't have any more of.

Just be patient and if you want it you'll get it eventually.

AGAIN, NO! That is not what happened.

They have a process whereby when they announce the product for pre-order everyone can go to the Apple Store and attempt to purchase. If the item you want is out of stock, Apple allocates you a unit from a future shipment and gives you an estimated date that you can expect to receive the item you wish to purchase.

BUT NOT IF YOU WERE IN THE IUP. If you were in the IUP, instead of being given the option of selecting a purchase date in the future they told you to come back on September 17th and get in line with everyone else who had not pre-ordered. And given the fact that by now, ship dates for people who are pre-ordering are slipping well into October and November depending on model, your chances of getting a phone decline with every person who is able to pre-order.

And this would not even be the most egregious screwing. Because the part where they totally spit on you is when you have to pay on your current phone until you can obtain a new phone. Twelve months is really the sweet spot of the program and Apple made a big deal about telling people they could upgrade every 12 months and people evaluated the financial worthiness of Apple's offer based on the assumption that they could upgrade every 12 months.

However, because they were put at the back of the line, IUP people will end up making 13, 14 or more payments for their current iPhone and will have to pay a penalty payment in 2017 if they want to upgrade in September.

It's the extra payments that give the lawsuit any credibility because it is causing a financial penalty when they prevent IUP people from ordering by intentionally restricting the stock they are allowed to purchase from.

It would be like your bank imposing a late fee if you don't pay your mortgage by 5pm on Friday so you rush to the bank at 4:30pm and a security guard steps out and says that the bank is too full and he can't let you in. Meanwhile he's letting other customers in and you shout, "Hey, I have to get my mortgage payment in or they're going to charge me a $50 late fee!" And at 5pm, they close the doors and tell you to come back tomorrow.

Nobody's asking for special treatment. All they want is to be allowed to avoid paying extra payments on their contract or at least knowing how many extra payments they'll be required to make. Apple intentionally keeping inventory from those people and making them go through a purchase process that prevents them from avoiding extra payments is, IMHO, a fraudulent business practice.
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Good thing that on Apples website for the IUP (http://www.apple.com/shop/iphone/iphone-upgrade-program) they say
"I’m already enrolled in the iPhone Upgrade Program. How do I upgrade my current iPhone?
You can upgrade at an Apple Store anytime after six months, as long as you’ve made the equivalent of at least 12 payments. You can also check your upgrade eligibility now."

So you can upgrade at a store...but let's ignore this and start suing over not being able to buy the phone outside of a store. They have to have your old phone in hand and evaluated before giving you a new one. That is what everyone signed up for.

Nope. The contact says they must receive your old phone within 14 days.
 
I'm sorry, but that is ridiculous.
Is it? What about those who will be making extra payments for no reason to have to wait for the new iPhone? And that same person will be one or two months behind next September when they're ready to upgrade to the next model. Ooops, won't be able to until they shell out another two payments. ($80.00)

If you actually read the lawsuit, it has a lot of merit. It may seem ridiculous, but it may not be so ridiculous when Apple is lifting $80.00 out of your wallet. Just sayin'.
 
Love to see in the paperwork were it guarantees a 12 month upgrade. I'll be willing to bet it says eligible......
It has nothing to do with guaranteeing a 12 month upgrade and everything to do with apple limiting the stock for upgrades and making it more difficult to find a phone. If you weren't one of the lucky people to find one available at your nearest store on release day, there is currently no way to even place an order. At the time upgrade reservations sold out (within minutes/some even seconds) non IUP people could still order online for release day delivery, and then shipping started slipping which would still be fine if we could order for 2-3 week shipping... but the point is we can't. shipping dates keep slipping further and further away and IUP people can't order their phones. They have to check their nearest apple store every day until they have their model in stock. So if Apple receives extra payments because of this, yeah its a problem. With that said, I'm not sure this was intentional and I would give Apple a chance to respond before suing them.
 
This is a moronic first world problem, just pure disgusting greed on the part of skumbag Lawyers looking for any stupid reason to sue and make money - and i'm in the iUP program. All these frivolous lawsuits cause so much more damage than the alleged "problems" they fix. Our insurance rates are going thru the roof because of these stupid lawsuits. Not getting an iphone on launch day is not an issue that harms anyone and I'm sure Apple will make good on any payments made in errs. The judge that allows this case to go thru needs to be put out to pasture and replaced. My life will somehow continue if I don't get the phone this friday . And guess what - COFFEE IS FREAKING HOT!!!!!

Agreed and with any luck any respectable judge laughs until tears, then dismisses this instantly.
 
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AGAIN, NO! That is not what happened.

They have a process whereby when they announce the product for pre-order everyone can go to the Apple Store and attempt to purchase. If the item you want is out of stock, Apple allocates you a unit from a future shipment and gives you an estimated date that you can expect to receive the item you wish to purchase.

BUT NOT IF YOU WERE IN THE IUP. If you were in the IUP, instead of being given the option of selecting a purchase date in the future they told you to come back on September 17th and get in line with everyone else who had not pre-ordered. And given the fact that by now, ship dates for people who are pre-ordering are slipping well into October and November depending on model, your chances of getting a phone decline with every person who is able to pre-order.

And this would not even be the most egregious screwing. Because the part where they totally spit on you is when you have to pay on your current phone until you can obtain a new phone. Twelve months is really the sweet spot of the program and Apple made a big deal about telling people they could upgrade every 12 months and people evaluated the financial worthiness of Apple's offer based on the assumption that they could upgrade every 12 months.

However, because they were put at the back of the line, IUP people will end up making 13, 14 or more payments for their current iPhone and will have to pay a penalty payment in 2017 if they want to upgrade in September.

It's the extra payments that give the lawsuit any credibility because it is causing a financial penalty when they prevent IUP people from ordering by intentionally restricting the stock they are allowed to purchase from.

It would be like your bank imposing a late fee if you don't pay your mortgage by 5pm on Friday so you rush to the bank at 4:30pm and a security guard steps out and says that the bank is too full and he can't let you in. Meanwhile he's letting other customers in and you shout, "Hey, I have to get my mortgage payment in or they're going to charge me a $50 late fee!" And at 5pm, they close the doors and tell you to come back tomorrow.

Nobody's asking for special treatment. All they want is to be allowed to avoid paying extra payments on their contract or at least knowing how many extra payments they'll be required to make. Apple intentionally keeping inventory from those people and making them go through a purchase process that prevents them from avoiding extra payments is, IMHO, a fraudulent business practice.
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Nope. The contact says they must receive your old phone within 14 days.
Thank you!!! Exactly!! Apparently not one of these people griping about how ridiculous the lawsuit is has actually read the lawsuit.
 
In all fairness you did say iPhone 7. That is still an upgrade from a 6s Plus. I'm just playing devils advocate. No one was promised a launch day phone via the program. I'm in the same boat as everyone else. My top choice wasn't available to me. I wasted 20 minutes trying to figure out what was going on. But I'm not suing.

Agreed, I did say iPhone 7....

I see your point, but I think, legally, they will argue the understood intent of the program. Because Apple has established a regular, annual launch of iPhones in September (since 2012) and launched the iPhone Upgrade program coinciding with the launch of the iPhone 6s, consumers were led to believe that in September of 2016, they would be able to upgrade whatever iPhone 6s they purchased to the iPhone launched in September.

I'm no lawyer though. But I can speak first hand, as can you probably, that this was the atmosphere around the launch of the iPhone 6s and the Apple Upgrade program. "The latest and greatest every year for a low monthly fee!"

I'm not suing either... I'm just disappointed that Apple didn't come through on what I thought was the intent of this program...
 
I could see this coming a mile away. People pay $$$ for the early upgrade program through Apple and also Carriers and Apple apparently slowed down production this year. I can understand that people will say first come, first served but when your told by salesmen that this entitles you to upgrade before others, you can see the problem. Some shops even called it an "Early Adopters" program. You can read into those 2 words anyway you like and that includes pre-orders.

The idea was intended to be good but I think no-one thought what would happen if early adopters all queued on pre-release day, and with a suspected "shortage", only compounded things. I know my carrier only had 15 Jet Black iPhone 7 plus and they were sold out before I could finish the order form.

I doubt the lawsuit will get anywhere though. Apple and the carriers will make amends somehow. Carriers will probably waiver the same fee for next year or credit their bill.
 
I could see this coming a mile away. People pay $$$ for the early upgrade program through Apple and also Carriers and Apple apparently slowed down production this year. I can understand that people will say first come, first served but when your told by salesmen that this entitles you to upgrade before others, you can see the problem. Some shops even called it an "Early Adopters" program. You can read into those 2 words anyway you like and that includes pre-orders.

The idea was intended to be good but I think no-one thought what would happen if early adopters all queued on pre-release day, and with a suspected "shortage", only compounded things. I know my carrier only had 15 Jet Black iPhone 7 plus and they were sold out before I could finish the order form.

I doubt the lawsuit will get anywhere though. Apple and the carriers will make amends somehow. Carriers will probably waiver the same fee for next year or credit their bill.


Are their individuals who opted into IUP who did not intend to upgrade at month 12?
 
its not about the wait for a new phone!!!! It's about the extra money they are having to pay for the waiting

You're twisting it. You aren't out anything. You still have a phone that you are using! You aren't paying anything extra for it. You can upgrade after 12 payments. It doesn't guarantee you a phone on the exact date you make your 12th payment. What if you wait a few days and then decide you want a Jet Black that is now out of stock? Is Apple somehow contractually required to keep phones sitting around while you decide which one you want? Heck, Apple might have had a manufacturing problem that delayed the new phones a month or two. It doesn't mean that you are owed anything.
 
I get that Apple should've prioritized them but they didn't and it sucks for them. However, nowhere did Apple promise them an upgrade on launch day so I don't see how they have a legal leg to stand on. Just ambulance chasing lawyers and whiny customers...is there really a NEED to have the phone day one?
 
I'm so sorry, your iphone 7 will be delayed by a week or two. Just going to have to use that useless Iphone 6s!
 
Damn, we can SUE Apple for not having the phone in stock now? Holy moly that's some bonkers nonsense.
 
The situation may not be clear.
I'm on the upgrade program from Apple.
The people on the upgrade program appear to have been DE-PRIORITIZED.
We were told to come back on the 17th.
My wife was up with me (new order, not an upgrade) right when preorders opened and had no problem getting a new phone at the same time as me.
We were wondering what was going on.
I'm eligible for an upgrade.
I have no problem if I couldn't get one because I didn't make it in time, but that was not the case.
 
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I don't think it is being explained well.
I'm on the upgrade program from Apple.
The people on the upgrade program appear to have been DE-PRIORITIZED.
We were told to come back on the 17th.
My wife was up with me (new order, not an upgrade) right when preorders opened and had no problem getting a new phone at the same time as me.
We were wondering what was going on.
I'm eligible for an upgrade.
I have no problem if I couldn't get one because I didn't make it in time, but that was not the case.

It's been explained well, and your post further explains the situation well. Some people just can't fathom that Apple screwed up.
 
What a joke. If that's the case no one should have an upgrade. Sorry you have to pay for your equipment while you wait for the next one you want to splurge on. What a joke.

The issue isn't that you have to pay for your device, the issue is that the way the program was advertised is incorrect. They advertised the program last year by saying in a year or after 12 payments you can upgrade when the new phone is released. The perk of the program being that you can upgrade when a new phone is released continually exactly a year later or sooner.
The way Apple has made it very difficult for users to upgrade when they have met the upgrade criteria effectively makes them have to pay more into their initial phone before being able to upgrade, thus making Apple even more money on the initial phone they are going to get back and sell again. Sure the majority of the whining on the topic is because people want a new phone and nothing more, but the issue is payments because people are being forced to continue to pay past the 12 payments required before upgrade when they clearly want to upgrade but are not being allowed to. It's a technicality sure, but Apple should have been more up front with how getting the new phone would be.

And no I am not one of those IUP members being impacted by this.
 
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