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We're not talking about your trust factor in Google. We are (were) talking about their business model and whether or not they TRADE your personal information.

Now I am seriously done with this conversation because there's either a language barrier issue going on, you're being obtuse - or you really have no point other than to keep saying you don't like Google. It's cool - like or hate google. Just when you enter into a conversation - most people like to keep the discussion to the topic at hand - and not change every post. :)

You understood very well what I've been saying ....
You don't have any proof Google isn't actually trading your personal informations. On the contrary, we have uncountable examples of Google acting against people's privacy, in many fields.
So it's not about my trust or my hate.
It's about a company that doesn't deserve any trust because it's unethical to be fair.
 
You understood very well what I've been saying ....
You don't have any proof Google isn't actually trading your personal informations. On the contrary, we have uncountable examples of Google acting against people's privacy, in many fields.
So it's not about my trust or my hate.
It's about a company that doesn't deserve any trust because it's unethical to be fair.

And you have no proof that they are. End of story.
 
16gb in today's smartphones is silly, especially ones with non upgradeable memory like Apple's iOS devices.

Apple and the phone networks are in it to make money, not to please the likes of you and I.

The 16GB model is the most profitable and the most popular so it's not going anywhere for a while.
 
A lot of people on this forum are under the illusion this is a representation of the real world, while it's not.
Apple, and not only Apple, makes a lot of marketing research before choosing strategies, and then act accordingly.
There are a lot of people here thinking they are smarter and brighter than everyone else, even if they have zero experience in this field.
If Apple choose to set the base model at 16 Gb, they surely backed up their decision with sales data from previous models like the iPhone 5S and 5C.
Eventually they will switch to 32 Gb when it's the right time, from a marketing point of view.
As a final user, clearly I'd like to have a 32 Gb iPhone 6 as base model, because for me 16 Gb are barely enough and 64 Gb are overkill. I could have spared 110€.

OMG. What a bunch of nonsense. Let me summarize what I read in plain simple terms:

'Because Apple makes money, this means they know everything! You, the consumer simply don't know WTF you NEED. What you want is absolutely irrelevant since you aren't as smart as the people at Apple that have studied what you should want.'

Here's what I see instead:

Android now represents over 84% of the smart phone market (selling those phones that consumers apparently WANT rather than the phones Apple knows you NEED) and their share is growing while Apple's share is diminishing (http://www.idc.com/prodserv/smartphone-os-market-share.jsp)

In the days of the Mac when Windows became available, the Apple share market share plummeted since Apple prices and offerings couldn't compete with multiple vendors and actual competition. History will repeat itself. It's only a matter of time and the above attitude is precisely why it will repeat itself. Apple is selling what they want you to buy. People are buying what they want from people willing to give it to them. Apple is making lots of money because they have a 100% share of iOS hardware devices and their overall market share is enough to make them a lot of money. They have this share because of innovation, but just as the Mac was once innovative, the competition eventually catches up and does it cheaper and with a lot more options for the consumer to choose from. People like options and Apple hates them. But as Apple's smart phone share drops ever lower, app developers will begin to abandon the platform for richer waters and their shares of profit will drop with it until they are irrelevant, just like with the mid '90s Mac.

Apple is notorious for putting short-term profits (i.e. premium prices) ahead of long-term market share and it is what nearly bankrupt them in the '90s. The ONLY reason Apple worked under Steve Jobs is that he was a great innovator (iPod, OS X, iPhone, iPad). There aren't great innovators at Apple anymore and so they NEED market share and they simply don't have it and won't have it when they continue to hold back features consumers WANT for NO OTHER REASON THAN GREED.

Thus, the real reason Apple does not have removable batteries or SD cards or USB ports is that they want to sell you batteries, sell you a newer iPhone every year or every other year and they don't want you to be able to put a damn thing on your phone that they don't approve and/or can't sell you themselves (i.e. USB ports would make it easier to hack and put 3rd party software on there without paying them a 33% "protection money" fee). The reason the newer Macbooks have fewer and fewer ports is that they want to sell you adapters galore, monitors with hubs, etc. Apple is going to nickel and dime their way to death. They have a lot of cash right now so it will take some time, but if they don't change their ways, it is only a matter of time before history puts them right back where they were. I know people don't believe it, but who ever thought Apple would eclipse Microsoft back in the '90s? Times change and Apple hasn't changed for the better without Steve. It is precisely the '90s when Apple didn't have Steve and look at them then. I see the same stale crap going on. New colors and a flat look does not a better operating system make!
 
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Did you ever think that maybe Apple is under charging for some other components(such as the display) that may have gotten more expensive. In fact, the overall cost to Apple for the 16GB model have probably gone up since 2010.
Would you prefer that Apple charge higher for the base model and less for the incremental memory?
In other words, Apple is actually subsidizing the 16GB model.


Good try at a joke.

Now go read some of the many articles published after Apple product releases that do cost analyses on the bills of materials.

Too bad facts spoil your joke.
 
My 73 year old mom completely understands and gets that if you buy any computer or phone or electronic device with storage, that the software installed will take up a portion of the space advertised on packaging. When asked she said it seemed like common sense to her. If my 73 year old mother who did not grow up in the digital/computer age gets it and understands it, I don't understand how others don't get it.
 
My 73 year old mom completely understands and gets that if you buy any computer or phone or electronic device with storage, that the software installed will take up a portion of the space advertised on packaging. When asked she said it seemed like common sense to her. If my 73 year old mother who did not grow up in the digital/computer age gets it and understands it, I don't understand how others don't get it.

That doesn't equate to a universal truth. Further - regardless of whether it's understood or not, that also doesn't excuse the entire industry from not labeling their products with approximate usable space.

While your mother may understand the concept - how could she possibly know whether her 16gb device has 15gb free or 2 gb free without booting it up and seeing for herself after the purchase.

I think the valid point to this suit is that overall - customers should be made aware without having to research it on the web - how much space they are getting on their devices or storage.
 
I just bought a 128gb micro sd card for my gs5...if Apple had an SD slot people would not have this lawsuit
 
I just bought a 128gb micro sd card for my gs5...if Apple had an SD slot people would not have this lawsuit

Re-stating my problem, I think the lawsuit would still have been filed for this reason:

For a 128GB iphone, or any iphone if it had a SD card slot for media.
Free icould storage for 5GB.
Take 5GB worth of pictures/movies.
Take one more picture
-> Popup saying "your icloud storage is full, click here to subscribe for more"
(actually the popup says "iphone cannot be backed up", which sounds more ominous.)

The usage of the storage on your phone is being limited by the cloud size.
The user has to stop and think - do I ignore the warning, or delete some older pictures to make more space so the warning doesn't appear.
 
I just bought a 128gb micro sd card for my gs5...if Apple had an SD slot people would not have this lawsuit

I don't know. People sue over EVERYTHING these days. Wait until they start "regulating" the Internet. You will get sued over every offhand comment you make about anything by someone whose feelings got hurt because you didn't like their product. You won't be allowed to make anonymous reviews or comments anymore. They will hunt you down and serve you as summons to appear in the new world court in Columbia because a coffee company there was upset you didn't like the logo on their bag of coffee and this caused them emotional pain and suffering! :eek:
 
Hmmm, let's see......
How can I get some of that money..... All that money, hmmm
I have to haz some.

(If this is inappropriate, please pardon my thought process or lack thereof.) ;)
 
Profits isn't everything long term. Neither in Marketshare. Both are different business models that are working for at least some of the Android OEMs and clearly for Apple. There are many companies that would kill for profits or marketshare like Apple and Samsung have (for example).
 
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Profits isn't everything long term. Neither in Marketshare. Both are different business models that are working for at least some of the Android OEMs and clearly for Apple. There are many companies that would kill for profits or marketshare like Apple and Samsung have (for example).

Let's see what will be of Samsung in 20 years and then we'll speak again about their strategies....
20 years ago Apple was at the verge of bankruptcy, and they were able to reinvent themselves. Look at Apple now, like it or not.
 
Let's see what will be of Samsung in 20 years and then we'll speak again about their strategies....
20 years ago Apple was at the verge of bankruptcy, and they were able to reinvent themselves. Look at Apple now, like it or not.

Ok. Let's do that. I predict more of the same. And the same argument over marketshare vs profits will pervade the forums. That is if MacRumors is still here in 20 years ;)

BTW - if you think Apple is too big to fail, then you should know that Samsung would be right there with them. Samsung has deep pockets as a global organization.
 
Ok. Let's do that. I predict more of the same. And the same argument over marketshare vs profits will pervade the forums. That is if MacRumors is still here in 20 years ;)

BTW - if you think Apple is too big to fail, then you should know that Samsung would be right there with them. Samsung has deep pockets as a global organization.

I don't think any company is too big to fail. There are several examples in the recent past.
I just think Apple is totally different than Samsung. Don't get me wrong, I'm not predicting Samsung to fail, because they are a very strongly differentiated company. But in the mobile computing I think the situation will be slightly different.
Btw a lot of factors are involved..
 
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Who wants to join me to sue microsoft with all the pc manufacturers together for not advertising that windows takes a couple of GB of my hard drive with which my computer was advertised?

You need to read again what the case is about.

When buying a PC you can choose any storage you want. And when it runs out you can buy a product from a third pary that enables you more storage...

Not just some space you rent for a yearly fee from the same manufacturer who knows that the product they sell you is not sufficiant.
 
Realty check: every competitor still sell 16 Gb model as base model.
Galaxy S5, HTC One M8, Xperia Z3.... all of them sold in the 16 Gb variant as base model.
I don't care what other companies are doing and I think that's equally bad as well.
 
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