Apple Hit With Class Action Lawsuit Over Large iOS 8 Storage Space

[lowendlinux]

Bloat is not defined by core OS apps regardless of whether we use them or not. Bloat ware is the supplemental applications that a carrier or other third party installs on top of the core package.

Whilst you may find stock apps that you don't use 'bloat' that ultimately is not what is being referred to.

bloatware
ˈbləʊtwɛː/
nounCOMPUTINGinformal
software whose usefulness is reduced because of the excessive disk space and memory it requires.
"a nasty piece of cross-platform bloatware that's in serious need of a total overhaul"
unwanted software included on a new computer or mobile device by the manufacturer.
"users must initially contend with the usual bevy of bloatware (unnecessary toolbars, games of questionable value)"

 

[MRU]

bloatware

bltw/

nounCOMPUTINGinformal

software whose usefulness is reduced because of the excessive disk space and memory it requires.

"a nasty piece of cross-platform bloatware that's in serious need of a total overhaul"

unwanted software included on a new computer or mobile device by the manufacturer.

"users must initially contend with the usual bevy of bloatware (unnecessary toolbars, games of questionable value)"

If you take everything at the literal rather than attempt to use common sense in the equation - almost EVERY single app on a phone could be considered bloat. However that is not universally accepted. Only people who like to argue silly semantics on forums to make dodgy arguments or attacks on a device would do so.....

 

[lowendlinux]

If you take everything at the literal rather than attempt to use common sense in the equation - almost EVERY single app on a phone could be considered bloat. However that is not universally accepted. Only people who like to argue silly semantics on forums to make dodgy arguments or attacks on a device would do so.....

Bloatware is bloatware whether installed by the carrier or the manufacturer. It's not semantics it's what it is. I don't have issues with the SW installed I'd just like to be able to remove it and neither platform lets me do that it not an Apple thing. Running daemons take up both processor cycles and RAM and unused apps take up space.

 

[I7guy]

bloatware
ˈbləʊtwɛː/
nounCOMPUTINGinformal
software whose usefulness is reduced because of the excessive disk space and memory it requires.
"a nasty piece of cross-platform bloatware that's in serious need of a total overhaul"
unwanted software included on a new computer or mobile device by the manufacturer.
"users must initially contend with the usual bevy of bloatware (unnecessary toolbars, games of questionable value)"

This definition has been discussed and is not what a lot of us consider to be bloat. The common definition does not really include core apps even though by that definition the operating system code can be considered bloatware.

 

[johnnyturbouk]

This is so absurd. Some people are so evil and sue happy it's disgusting.

Or, tehy could upgrade from their macs (or pcs)
#problem solved?

 

[lowendlinux]

This definition has been discussed and is not what a lot of us consider to be bloat. The common definition does not really include core apps even though by that definition the operating system code can be considered bloatware.

Like I said in the first post one persons bloat is another persons handy app no matter where they come from. Because MR doesn't want to use the common definition doesn't mean the rest of the world has to use the MR variation.

 

[Max(IT)]

Yet Lollipop suppports it if are one of the many non-Nexus Android users. Straw man.

How many non Nexus devices running Android so far ...bc let me think about that .... Less than 1% of their installed base ? And I mean FAR LESS....

Speaking about straw man....

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Bloat ware is not generally useful utilities, the acceptable definition is usually add ons installed by carriers with hooks to entice you to spend money. Thank goodness iphones do not have these carrier apps.

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Isnt this question applicable to every computing device on the face of the earth?

Do you need an even better definition for bloatware? Just take any Samsung phone and open the app drawer. That's bloatware.

 

[I7guy]

Like I said in the first post one persons bloat is another persons handy app no matter where they come from. Because MR doesn't want to use the common definition doesn't mean the rest of the world has to use the MR variation.

It's not MR..seems to me lots of folks with android devices consider your definition of bloatware, IOS owning people and the remainder of the world consider the more general scope of the term bloatware.

Having said that I thought android will allow the dialer app to be deleted, for example.

 

[lowendlinux]

It's not MR..seems to me lots of folks with android devices consider your definition of bloatware, IOS owning people and the remainder of the world consider the more general scope of the term bloatware.

Having said that I thought android will allow the dialer app to be deleted, for example.

That definition isn't mine it's the first that pops up when you type "bloatware define". I've yet to be able to delete anything that Google thought I needed you can turn the stuff off but not delete it.

 

[I7guy]

That definition isn't mine it's the first that pops up when you type "bloatware define". I've yet to be able to delete anything that Google thought I needed you can turn the stuff off but not delete it.

Okay, when I search bloatware, Wikipedia definition comes up; which is more inline with the common usage of the term.

 

[Poisonivy326]

How many non Nexus devices running Android so far ...bc let me think about that .... Less than 1% of their installed base ? And I mean FAR LESS....

But it will roll out to the majority of Android users soon. So stop acting like it won't. And as I pointed out, the majority of flagship Android OEM's have microSD expansion and Android has always supported certain files being moved to microSD. No offense but are you slow or are you really Phil(Marketing)?

 

[Drag'nGT]

I hate to see sue happy people but let's face it, it's usually the best way to get things done. Apple has bloated this version of iOS and it needs to be addressed. Why is there a tips app? Why can't we delete it or other apps like the stocks app?

 

[Michaelgtrusa]

It was a good fight, Apple won.

 

[Max(IT)]

But it will roll out to the majority of Android users soon. So stop acting like it won't. And as I pointed out, the majority of flagship Android OEM's have microSD expansion and Android has always supported certain files being moved to microSD. No offense but are you slow or are you really Phil(Marketing)?

No, it won't, so stop acting like it will.
After almost two years, Android 4.4 still is well under 50% of installed base.....
This is the world you are defending.....

 

[samcraig]

No, it won't, so stop acting like it will.
After almost two years, Android 4.4 still is well under 50% of installed base.....
This is the world you are defending.....

But you're ignoring the fact that all of the core apps plus google play services is constantly updates without the need to upgrade to the full OS.

Features missing, yes - but it's very different from not getting an iOS major update.

 

[DevNull0]

It's 2015, software takes up more space than it used to. The cpu/gpu are more powerful, there's a lot more pixels on the screen to control. Apps are getting bigger and of course the OS is getting bigger too. Storage has gotten a lot cheaper over the years to compensate.

The problem is that Apple decided on 16 gig for devices in 2010 and it is disgusting that for all the changes in the tech world since then they still just give such a tiny amount, and still charge obscene prices for larger capacities.

I can buy a 512 gigabyte SSD for $200. How the $%^& does Apple think it's okay to charge $200 to go from 16 to 128 gig?

 

[samcraig]

It's 2015, software takes up more space than it used to. The cpu/gpu are more powerful, there's a lot more pixels on the screen to control. Apps are getting bigger and of course the OS is getting bigger too. Storage has gotten a lot cheaper over the years to compensate.

The problem is that Apple decided on 16 gig for devices in 2010 and it is disgusting that for all the changes in the tech world since then they still just give such a tiny amount, and still charge obscene prices for larger capacities.

I can buy a 512 gigabyte SSD for $200. How the $%^& does Apple think it's okay to charge $200 to go from 16 to 128 gig?

Quite frankly - it's because they can. That simple. If you want to stay in the Apple ecosystem and want more storage, whatever they charge, people will pay.

 

[DevNull0]

Quite frankly - it's because they can. That simple. If you want to stay in the Apple ecosystem and want more storage, whatever they charge, people will pay.

They can, yes. And this lawsuit is the response.

What gets me is all the fanatics on here who are so happy with Apple's anti-consumer practices that they think Apple should be immune to consumer protection law. They'd actually rather pay more than they should just because it's Apple.

 

[MikePLP]

It's 2015, software takes up more space than it used to. The cpu/gpu are more powerful, there's a lot more pixels on the screen to control. Apps are getting bigger and of course the OS is getting bigger too. Storage has gotten a lot cheaper over the years to compensate.

The problem is that Apple decided on 16 gig for devices in 2010 and it is disgusting that for all the changes in the tech world since then they still just give such a tiny amount, and still charge obscene prices for larger capacities.

I can buy a 512 gigabyte SSD for $200. How the $%^& does Apple think it's okay to charge $200 to go from 16 to 128 gig?

Did you ever think that maybe Apple is under charging for some other components(such as the display) that may have gotten more expensive. In fact, the overall cost to Apple for the 16GB model have probably gone up since 2010.
Would you prefer that Apple charge higher for the base model and less for the incremental memory?
In other words, Apple is actually subsidizing the 16GB model.

 

[samcraig]

They can, yes. And this lawsuit is the response.

What gets me is all the fanatics on here who are so happy with Apple's anti-consumer practices that they think Apple should be immune to consumer protection law. They'd actually rather pay more than they should just because it's Apple.

Agreed. But quite frankly - this is an industry-wide issue and should be regulated better. Any device that has storage (or a storage device itself) should clearly label what is usable and not to the consumer.

What I find amusing is why people think Apple is being called out on this. The reason is simple - the plaintiffs own Apple devices. If they owned other devices and were going to sue - they would sue someone else.

 

[MikePLP]

Agreed. But quite frankly - this is an industry-wide issue and should be regulated better. Any device that has storage (or a storage device itself) should clearly label what is usable and not to the consumer.

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No way, Samsung would never allow that to happen.

 

[samcraig]

No way, Samsung would never allow that to happen.

Why do you say that? If it's a regulation that to be sold in the US (or elswhere) that's what would be needed to be done.

I think consumers should realize that when they buy a 16 gig device, they really aren't getting 16gb. However, I do think we are entitled to know APPROXIMATELY what is usable space.

At least those with many android devices have an option of an MicroSD card for (easy and inexpensive) expansion.

 

[Max(IT)]

But you're ignoring the fact that all of the core apps plus google play services is constantly updates without the need to upgrade to the full OS.

Features missing, yes - but it's very different from not getting an iOS major update.

You know very well the reason why Google want those services to be used (not only by Android users but also by iOS users): they want our data.

By the way, I agree that having core apps updated separately from the core os is a good thing I'd like to have also in iOS environment (but it's just a choice on their part, because it could be possible to update, for instance, safari with iOS 8.2 without waiting for a mayor release).

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They can, yes. And this lawsuit is the response.

What gets me is all the fanatics on here who are so happy with Apple's anti-consumer practices that they think Apple should be immune to consumer protection law. They'd actually rather pay more than they should just because it's Apple.

This lawsuit, they are going to lose, is just a ridiculous try to steal money. They had all interest but consumer's in mind when started this lawsuit....

 

[samcraig]

You know very well the reason why Google want those services to be used (not only by Android users but also by iOS users): they want our data.

By the way, I agree that having core apps updated separately from the core os is a good thing I'd like to have also in iOS environment (but it's just a choice on their part, because it could be possible to update, for instance, safari with iOS 8.2 without waiting for a mayor release).

That's not the sole reason, no. They are doing it because they are tired of OEMs and Carriers dictating functionality. They want to get as close to iOS's model (control over the experience) as much as possible.

And yes - I still don't know why Apple can't figure out a way to update their core apps without needing OS updates. At least you can do it wirelessly now and they've generally decreased the footprint needed.

Both iOS and Android (and their OEMs/carriers) should also make it possible to remove any app not wanted or needed. Period. Not doing so makes these types of cases have more "weight."

 

[Max(IT)]

Why do you say that? If it's a regulation that to be sold in the US (or elswhere) that's what would be needed to be done.

I think consumers should realize that when they buy a 16 gig device, they really aren't getting 16gb. However, I do think we are entitled to know APPROXIMATELY what is usable space.

At least those with many android devices have an option of an MicroSD card for (easy and inexpensive) expansion.

Because it would be a very bad marketing for Samsung, advertising that they basically has half the free space filled with bloatware......