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Because it would be a very bad marketing for Samsung, advertising that they basically has half the free space filled with bloatware......

Well it doesn't seem to be doing Apple very good right now either regardless.

Even playing field. And again - make apps removable by the user.
 
That's not the sole reason, no. They are doing it because they are tired of OEMs and Carriers dictating functionality. They want to get as close to iOS's model (control over the experience) as much as possible.

And yes - I still don't know why Apple can't figure out a way to update their core apps without needing OS updates. At least you can do it wirelessly now and they've generally decreased the footprint needed.

Both iOS and Android (and their OEMs/carriers) should also make it possible to remove any app not wanted or needed. Period. Not doing so makes these types of cases have more "weight."
You have always a positive mindset about Google. No, that's not the case. Google isn't earning money from Android itself. They are earning money from user's data, and they bring in users offering services.
Apple isn't earning money from iOS, as well, but their primary income mean is the hardware they are selling, and iOS is strictly integrated with it.
So they have different philosophy.
If you look at Microsoft, another company earning money from a combination of hardware and software, they are sharing the same marketing model of Apple: core apps updated in mayor software releases.

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Well it doesn't seem to be doing Apple very good right now either regardless.

Even playing field. And again - make apps removable by the user.

I agree about removable apps, I'd like to remove Stocks and Newsstand, and Podcast for instance.
But on a 16 Gb model you still have more than 12 Gb available. It's not so bad after all (I'm using a 16 Gb iPad Air right now, and I have 5 Gb left).
 
Because it would be a very bad marketing for Samsung, advertising that they basically has half the free space filled with bloatware......

Samsung isn't the whole of Android. My daughter has an S5 mini and Android as installed is 4.23GB which is more than on my HTC but not half of 16GB
 
You have always a positive mindset about Google. No, that's not the case. Google isn't earning money from Android itself. They are earning money from user's data, and they bring in users offering services.
Apple isn't earning money from iOS, as well, but their primary income mean is the hardware they are selling, and iOS is strictly integrated with it.
So they have different philosophy.
If you look at Microsoft, another company earning money from a combination of hardware and software, they are sharing the same marketing model of Apple: core apps updated in mayor software releases.

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I agree about removable apps, I'd like to remove Stocks and Newsstand, and Podcast for instance.
But on a 16 Gb model you still have more than 12 Gb available. It's not so bad after all (I'm using a 16 Gb iPad Air right now, and I have 5 Gb left).

Yes. Different business model. But you don't have any idea what I'm thinking - so please don't make assumptions there.And no - my mindset about googles isn't always positive.

Again - Google motivation isn't just about data. It's to relieve customer frustration over waiting for updates to full OSes. It was actually a pretty smart "stealth" way to go about it too since OEMs and Carriers really can't do anything about it.
 
Samsung isn't the whole of Android. My daughter has an S5 mini and Android as installed is 4.23GB which is more than on my HTC but not half of 16GB

Samsung is one of the worst Android OEM in this aspect.
And unfortunately, Samsung in a way IS Android, speaking about market share.

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Yes. Different business model. But you don't have any idea what I'm thinking - so please don't make assumptions there.And no - my mindset about googles isn't always positive.

Again - Google motivation isn't just about data. It's to relieve customer frustration over waiting for updates to full OSes. It was actually a pretty smart "stealth" way to go about it too since OEMs and Carriers really can't do anything about it.

Google is about relieving customer frustration ? Best joke of the year :D
 
What do you find frustrating about Google specifically?

About Google? Nothing specifically to be honest.
I don't like their business model and I can't understand how you Americans, bring possessed by privacy rights, can accept a company based upon the trade of your information.
But don't have nothing personal against Google. I don't trust them entirely, but frankly I don't have much to hide :D
 
About Google? Nothing specifically to be honest.
I don't like their business model and I can't understand how you Americans, bring possessed by privacy rights, can accept a company based upon the trade of your information.
But don't have nothing personal against Google. I don't trust them entirely, but frankly I don't have much to hide :D

Well then I find your comment "Google is about relieving customer frustration ? Best joke of the " rather amusing :)

Having fun are we?

And I'm not sure you understand google's model honestly. While they are collecting a lot of information, they are not trading MY specific information. Like any advertising platform (and even iAds) - what they do is take the demographics a client wants to reach and then targets ads to them. At no time does this 3rd party know who specifically is targeted or what their information is.

You know that MacRumors is a client of a few ad networks (at least one) - they aren't selling your email address and post history or what products you say you own to them. No - they are providing an avenue where advertisers can target you because you visit here. That is all. You are anonymous to the advertiser...
 
Well then I find your comment "Google is about relieving customer frustration ? Best joke of the " rather amusing :)

Having fun are we?

And I'm not sure you understand google's model honestly. While they are collecting a lot of information, they are not trading MY specific information. Like any advertising platform (and even iAds) - what they do is take the demographics a client wants to reach and then targets ads to them. At no time does this 3rd party know who specifically is targeted or what their information is.

You know that MacRumors is a client of a few ad networks (at least one) - they aren't selling your email address and post history or what products you say you own to them. No - they are providing an avenue where advertisers can target you because you visit here. That is all. You are anonymous to the advertiser...

Indeed, very anonymous...

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-06-30/google-rebuffed-by-u-s-high-court-on-privacy-lawsuit.html

http://www.theguardian.com/technolo...it-email-scanning-student-data-apps-education
 
But neither speak to them selling our giving personal information away. Quit changing the argument.

Well considering his first argument was that microSD cards were "disgusting," his moving of the goal-posts to a generalized anti-Google/Android rant is quite adept.
 
Well, for me, I'm surprised that the card slots are so reliable. How many people find 'gunk*' in their slots that renders it unusable?

Heck, my 5 lived in an OtterBox for its entire life, and I was still amazed at the 'gunk*' that built-up in the front speaker slot, and the bottom speaker holes.

People that carry their slot equipped devices must have so much crap in the slots over time that I'd imagine they get too stuffed with it. I've seen micro-USB ports that look communicable. It's hard to tell what's living in the thin crevices, but it doesn't look benign...

* - Gunk, see 'life happens': dust, dirt, sweat, moisture, sand, hair, etc...

They aren't that reliable. I've had a couple fail on me over the years and they become completely unusable and all the data stored on them is lost. However due to their cheap price I still think it's worth using them on android devices. However personally I'd just prefer to have internal storage, where possible and I'm willing to pay for it. I think if you are a first time smartphone buyer you may be a bit nieave when it comes to storage. However if you've owned a smartphone before you know what your usage pattern in like and so you can estimate how much you will need.

I also think that a lot of people are fine with 16GB.
 
I've owned cell phones since 1993 and smart phones since their inception, I still get along fine with 16GB without SD expansion. I'm sure as the OS gets bigger and more bloated I'll need a larger phone but that isn't me changing that's things changing around me.
 
I've owned cell phones since 1993 and smart phones since their inception, I still get along fine with 16GB without SD expansion. I'm sure as the OS gets bigger and more bloated I'll need a larger phone but that isn't me changing that's things changing around me.

A lot of people on this forum are under the illusion this is a representation of the real world, while it's not.
Apple, and not only Apple, makes a lot of marketing research before choosing strategies, and then act accordingly.
There are a lot of people here thinking they are smarter and brighter than everyone else, even if they have zero experience in this field.
If Apple choose to set the base model at 16 Gb, they surely backed up their decision with sales data from previous models like the iPhone 5S and 5C.
Eventually they will switch to 32 Gb when it's the right time, from a marketing point of view.
As a final user, clearly I'd like to have a 32 Gb iPhone 6 as base model, because for me 16 Gb are barely enough and 64 Gb are overkill. I could have spared 110€.
 
Both speak about data mining. Illegal data mining.

Again, none speak to the misconception you laid out that I rebutted. You keep changing the argument. What's the point in discussing something with you if you keep going on another tangent?
 
Again, none speak to the misconception you laid out that I rebutted. You keep changing the argument. What's the point in discussing something with you if you keep going on another tangent?

You are saying I'm going to the tangent just because as usual you don't like what I'm pointing out about Google....
 
You are saying I'm going to the tangent just because as usual you don't like what I'm pointing out about Google....

No. I'm saying you are going on a tangent because you're changing the conversation each post.

Let me remind you of what the topic was

"I don't like their business model and I can't understand how you Americans, bring possessed by privacy rights, can accept a company based upon the trade of your information."

I pointed out that they aren't trading your personal information - it's anonymous.

Then you point to two articles that speak to data mining.

At no time did I argue that Google HAD personal information or obtained it legally or illegally. We were speaking about the TRADING of that information to a 3rd party.

I'm done speaking on this subject with you on this thread unless you decide to go back on topic. Not only do you keep changing the subject, but now we both are derailing from the actual thread topic which is about storage space, not personal information.
 
No. I'm saying you are going on a tangent because you're changing the conversation each post.

Let me remind you of what the topic was

"I don't like their business model and I can't understand how you Americans, bring possessed by privacy rights, can accept a company based upon the trade of your information."

I pointed out that they aren't trading your personal information - it's anonymous.

Then you point to two articles that speak to data mining.

At no time did I argue that Google HAD personal information or obtained it legally or illegally. We were speaking about the TRADING of that information to a 3rd party.

I'm done speaking on this subject with you on this thread unless you decide to go back on topic. Not only do you keep changing the subject, but now we both are derailing from the actual thread topic which is about storage space, not personal information.
It's anonymous is your deduction based on nothing. I linked several cases where Google actually didn't follow the rules. They don't deserve any trust.
 
It's anonymous is your deduction based on nothing. I linked several cases where Google actually didn't follow the rules. They don't deserve any trust.

Actually there is because their business model is based on maintaining that exclusivity to the data and keeping it secure. If they didn't, they would tank.

But enjoy your hate.
 
I've owned cell phones since 1993 and smart phones since their inception, I still get along fine with 16GB without SD expansion. I'm sure as the OS gets bigger and more bloated I'll need a larger phone but that isn't me changing that's things changing around me.

In my previous occupation, I used many apps, and was always rather concerned about running out of space. I did actually fill my 64G 5 once with apps, emails, pics, and other detritus of that job. And the truth is that probably more than half of the apps on my iPhone today aren't used, but I keep them for the odd moment when I might need them.

But filling up the iPhone was a shock, and produced a lot of hustle trying to free up space for a project. I will probably always buy the largest capacity that is available 'just because'... Not having the iPhone expandable in the memory department was, perhaps, a great marketing point.

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They aren't that reliable. I've had a couple fail on me over the years and they become completely unusable and all the data stored on them is lost. However due to their cheap price I still think it's worth using them on android devices. However personally I'd just prefer to have internal storage, where possible and I'm willing to pay for it. I think if you are a first time smartphone buyer you may be a bit nieave when it comes to storage. However if you've owned a smartphone before you know what your usage pattern in like and so you can estimate how much you will need.

I also think that a lot of people are fine with 16GB.

I can't remember what device it was, but I remember someone carping about the slot for their device being in the battery compartment. It seems like a 'safe place' for the slot now... I think they had to actually remove the battery to swap chips. That could suck.
 
Of what. You know what. Forget it. You're having a completely different conversation. Have a nice weekend.

If I was found guilty of bank robbery, would you give me your car for a weekend ? I'd bet not.... Although I wasn't proven guilty of car stealing....
 
If I was found guilty of bank robbery, would you give me your car for a weekend ? I'd bet not.... Although I wasn't proven guilty of car stealing....

We're not talking about your trust factor in Google. We are (were) talking about their business model and whether or not they TRADE your personal information.

Now I am seriously done with this conversation because there's either a language barrier issue going on, you're being obtuse - or you really have no point other than to keep saying you don't like Google. It's cool - like or hate google. Just when you enter into a conversation - most people like to keep the discussion to the topic at hand - and not change every post. :)
 
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