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You must really want Apple to bring back that lightning cable then?

Regions have policies. Like it or not. Thats the cost of being a global company. China has pretty nutty rules for Apple to sell there and yet they bend the knee with ease.

This is beyond off-topic. But, Apple was moving from lightning to USB-C for YEARS before the EU came with that legislation. Actually it's BECAUSE OF APPLE that the legislation is for USB-C instead of USB-Micro. Apple introduced USB-C with the 12" Intel MacBook. They co-developed the USB-C standard together with Intel.
 
At least the EU gives Apple an avenue to disagree with a policy and argue their side of why a policy is stupid and should be revised (ie, a properly functioning court system). China, on the other hand, take a decidedly more "my way or the highway" approach.
On the other, other hand, Tesla has been using the Courts to great effect in China...

 
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Not forgetting the lithography machines from ASML and the optical glasses from Zeiss, which no one else can produce in the required quality. I hope even the biggest Apple fanboy in the US understands that US tech companies need these things.
It is unfortunate that the definition of "tech company", to many fanatics, is a company that only provides goods and services to end consumers. There is a whole litany of b2b businesses that are essential to that end product that nobody ever sees. Heck, there are probably a non-zero number of "EU produces nothing" knuckleheads currently posting this thread while sitting in the seat of an Airbus Jet or a Siemens or Bombardier subway car right now.
 
This is beyond off-topic. But, Apple was moving from lightning to USB-C for YEARS before the EU came with that legislation. Actually it's BECAUSE OF APPLE that the legislation is for USB-C instead of USB-Micro. Apple introduced USB-C with the 12" Intel MacBook. They co-developed the USB-C standard together with Intel.
And now we’re stuck with USB-C forever because no one is going to develop a better port if it can’t be used in the EU.
 
Rest assured that the US companies will be using the US tariffs to raise the prices in other parts of the world, including the EU, as well.

Sony already used that excuse to higher the price for the PlayStation 5 in Europe, Australia and New Zealand.
So they did not, please show the evidence when you make statements like that.

If they do that, they will lose market share.
Partly because of the higher cost relative to non-US companies, but also because there are a LOT of people who would be annoyed by the principle of it.

I don't think people in the US understand how annoyed people around the world are - their livelihoods are being threatened by an imbecile who happens to hold way too much power.
^^^^ This - it is all totally unnecessary chaos, based on the lies by a fat old orange bloke who can't even remember his own deals, and didn't even write the art of the deal. It is the misrepresentations, bullying, and total lack of understanding regarding the topics he and those around him and those that support him (and Elon Musk) that annoys us. We are always willing to listen to a sensible argument but not to people who lie.

Might be but that was just an assumption a tech blogger made but not based on any factual information. Unless Sony by now has confirmed this, might have missed that.
It was, Sony themselves put it down to the challenging economic environment such as high inflation and fluctuating exchange rates. Which makes sense as when you look at the USD vs EUR it is not a pretty sight. -9.63% since inauguration day and falling. So everything pegged against the dollar has become more expensive to trade in other forex countries. Roughly matching the price differences that Sony is applying. And it's not over yet.

Funnily enough, in a perverse manner, it should be cheaper for us Europeans to trade with the US, but we rather spend our money elsewhere. Trump and his cronies will have to stand down, they also need to issue an apology for all the insults. Otherwise, this will get a lot worse for the USA.
 

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This is beyond off-topic. But, Apple was moving from lightning to USB-C for YEARS before the EU came with that legislation. Actually it's BECAUSE OF APPLE that the legislation is for USB-C instead of USB-Micro. Apple introduced USB-C with the 12" Intel MacBook. They co-developed the USB-C standard together with Intel.
You are the one who made the general statement of EU making stupid rules. Im fully aware of USBC development and the Apple link which makes it even more off topic and greedy why they hung on to lightning for almost a decade after on certain devices when the rest of the market adopted (their own as you say) standard. Please prove that Apple would have implemented USBC into iPhone on their own accord so soon after the EU ruling, if there was no ruling or warnings by the EU for the years prior. That rule wasn't stupid as you claimed their rules are. Thats pretty much on topic.
 
Apple, the EU didn’t make the choice to break the rules.
It’s obviously because of the EU. Apple creates a product that many europeans like as it is, and now the EU commissioners decide they know what we need better than us… it’s a never ending story with the EU, not just with this topic, that makes europeans’ life more inconvenient and more expensive everyday.
 
Who says the EU won't strike back at the USA with tarrifs. This thing is far from over yet.

Unless you have some inside information where you know for 100% certain the EU agrees to everything Trump has said and will sign a new trade deal.
EU is planning tariffs to USA. It maybe towards the tech industries services as EU has a trade deficit toward USA in terms of services. EU only applies the same logic of president Trump.
 
You are the one who made the general statement of EU making stupid rules. Im fully aware of USBC development and the Apple link which makes it even more off topic and greedy why they hung on to lightning for almost a decade after on certain devices when the rest of the market adopted (their own as you say) standard. Please prove that Apple would have implemented USBC into iPhone on their own accord so soon after the EU ruling, if there was no ruling or warnings by the EU for the years prior. That rule wasn't stupid as you claimed their rules are. Thats pretty much on topic.
The “greedy” conspiracy with Lightning doesn’t make any financial sense. If USB-C was so important to customers, they would have changed before, because cable sales and lightning royalties are peanuts compared to iPhone sales. The move to USB-C probably resulted in more annoyed than happy customers.
 
The EU made the choice to make stupid rules.
Stupid according to who? Our electives have voted, you know its called representative democracy. Should I take it you think all people in EU are stupid?

It is simple: follow the rules in the country/region you do business in. Would USA accept that EU did not follow FDA rules for medicines or food? No, follow the rules or do business elsewhere.
 
Well, aside from passenger jets that don't randomly fall apart in the air.. and more than a few other things, including the software that most Fortune 100 companies (including Apple) use to run their entire businesses.
...and I believe the photolithography machines used for creating Apple chips.
 
The “greedy” conspiracy with Lightning doesn’t make any financial sense. If USB-C was so important to customers, they would have changed before, because cable sales and lightning royalties are peanuts compared to iPhone sales. The move to USB-C probably resulted in more annoyed than happy customers.
Yep. And it’s been reported Apple was making “couch cushion change” levels of money from lightening licensing. I suspect they more than made up for it with people buying a bunch of new overpriced USB-C cables in Apple stores. The idea they’d make iPhones significantly worse for spare change is laughable.

The fact of the matter is for most users USB-C isn’t a big improvement. My mother-in-law held off updating her phone because she didn’t want new cables, and only gave in because she was worried about tariffs raising iPhone prices, and still grumbled repeatedly about having to buy new cables. I know it’s hard for people who post on MacRumors to understand, but normal users really don’t care.

People also forget Apple was absolutely raked over the coals when they switched to lightening, despite lightening being a clearly better cable than 30-PIN. So it makes sense they’d be conservative moving their most important product over to a connector that is for most users, at best, an extremely slight improvement over lightening.

But that explanation doesn’t fit the “Tim Cook is greedy” narrative, so it can’t possibly be accurate.
 
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Stupid according to who? Our electives have voted, you know its called representative democracy. Should I take it you think all people in EU are stupid?

It is simple: follow the rules in the country/region you do business in. Would USA accept that EU did not follow FDA rules for medicines or food? No, follow the rules or do business elsewhere.
Being a democracy (although the EU commission election is not very democratic) is not a guarantee against taking stupid decisions (usually we rightly hear the same about the US). And just saying “companies must accept our rules” when the EU takes abusive measures is missing the forest for the trees. Specially when it affects ourselves…
 
The move to USB-C probably resulted in more annoyed than happy customers.
You must have ESP for real then. 😏
Corporate greed is not a conspiracy. Consumers call it greed, shareholders call it value. Yes, Apple makes greedy choices just like every other publicly traded company because they sometimes have to. And i can still accept it and overlook it as a fan so long they are outnumbered by good ones, which they are.
 
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This is not about the money - it's about trying to force compliance with the law
You funny! Seriously. It is about the money. The laws, the fines, the threats, it is all about money. EU, US, etc. it does not matter. Civil laws with resulting fines are mostly designed to extract money from people or corporations. Fines just reinforce the money grab. The money collected does not go to the people that are supposedly protected, or harmed, in violation of the law.

Does anyone honestly think that any of the money from the fines will go to Billy Bob and his family because they could not side load an app? Will Billy Bob get any money because the proper instructions were not provided? Will Billy Bob get any money because he could not run some app from a nefarious company?
 
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Yep. And it’s been reported Apple was making “couch cushion change” levels of money from lightening licensing. I suspect they more than made up for it with people buying a bunch of new overpriced USB-C cables in Apple stores. The idea they’d make iPhones significantly worse for spare change is laughable.
Like almost everything else Apple does, their reluctance to moving away from Lightning has a lot more to do with locking their users into their "ecosystem" via third-party accessories than it does with getting licensing fees from third party device sales. Apple's entire product and service offering is designed to lock-in their customers as tightly as possible.

The fact of the matter is for most users USB-C isn’t a big improvement. My mother-in-law held off updating her phone because she didn’t want new cables
Case in point.
 
You must have ESP for real then. 😏
Corporate greed is not a conspiracy. Consumers call it greed, shareholders call it value. Yes, Apple makes greedy choices just like every other publicly traded company because they sometimes have to. And i can still accept it and overlook it as a fan so long they are outnumbered by good ones, which they are.
Obviously, all companies want revenue. But thankfully, specially in the customer tech industry, revenue is closely linked to customer satisfaction. What I meant with “lightning greed conspiracy” is that some people believe that Apple stuck with lightning because of royalties, even if customers wanted USB-C… when, if that was really the case, money lost on iPhone sales would greatly exceed lightning royalties.
 
Does anyone honestly think that any of the money from the fines will go to Billy Bob and his family because they could not side load an app? Will Billy Bob get any money because the proper instructions were not provided? Will Billy Bob get any money because he could not run some app from a nefarious company?
Assuming Billy Bob lives in the EU, some of that money may at least go towards Billy Bob's medical expenses.
 
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