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The iPhone 4 demonstration was nearly 15 years ago when smartphones were still a relatively new thing, was done in-person in front of a live audience, and featured actual devices showcasing actual functionality.
It wasn’t the same thing as what’s being claimed here. Fool the people.
The subject of this lawsuit is centred around a pre-recorded infomercial promising completed functionality that was so vapourous that even the engineers charged with creating it had never seen it before. This comparison is beyond dishonest.
The comparison is right apt. Doesn’t matter the time frame. Anyway we’ll see where this goes.
 
Maybe I'm slow but I'm not seeing the issue given that  Intelligence is ostensibly still in beta.
After faking a demo / ads, Apple encourage people to buy the iPhone 16 to use the intelligence...then the phone did not end up including the intelligence from the faked demo.
Plenty of iPhone 16 purchasers would've held onto their older phone until the intelligence was properly released.
Thus fraud accusations.
 
Given the news in the story about Siri issues that Apple FAKED the Siri AI demo... Not so good unless you are a plaintiff.
This getting VERY costly and for months now drugs Apple's brand into the mud!

Tim Cook it's time your realize that John Giannapolis did you dirty and costed both the company & investors much more than Forstall which you kicked out for denying an apology!

This ongoing elementary school dance of who's to blame over what by now should wake you up to this not making dollars and John getting both executive job title status & stock options in 6 month working at Apple with nothing to show for it has you and everyone there bamboozled! Get rid of him!!

And stop hiring g executives based on 1st name familiarity it's pathetic n creepy on a Sean Diddy Combs level! How many different John's need to work at Apple?@
 
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They sold the iPhone 16 heavily on Apple Intelligence, it was the most prominent part of all the marketing, so it's absolutely right they are being sued for misleading people.
The fact Apple started deletingthw ads featuringthatactor just30dayapeuoeto lawsuitsprovesApple knew they did customers dirty!

Timyou hired John G togwtthia right and for yearshasprovided no good fruit on this. Not to mention q few months of that"car" project that was a pipe dream! that alone should have an investors investigation towardsclass action suit!
 
No external threats caused me to buy our iPhone 16s. I doubt other folks were threatened to buy these items. So we have to assume some responsibility to do due diligence on major purchases.

Advertising is not always accurate😱
 
After faking a demo / ads, Apple encourage people to buy the iPhone 16 to use the intelligence...then the phone did not end up including the intelligence from the faked demo.
Plenty of iPhone 16 purchasers would've held onto their older phone until the intelligence was properly released.
Thus fraud accusations.
Built for Apple intelligence is not lying. You are assuming , but can’t prove, people upgraded to the iphone 16 for one reason.

We will see where this goes.
 
Built for Apple intelligence is not lying. You are assuming , but can’t prove, people upgraded to the iphone 16 for one reason.

We will see where this goes.

I am one of the people who bought the phone in order to have the intelligence; my 13 Pro was working fine.
So no, this is not an assumption. And there would be no class action suit if I was the only person who did so.
The lie is that the phone was doing things in the ad which it was not capable of. It still isn’t, and I think plenty of people would’ve waited for the iPhone 17 to come out if they knew intelligence was not happening yet.

If you make a car ad showing a car doing 0 to 60 in 2 seconds, but it can only actually do it in six seconds, it’s false advertising.
Illegal.
 
I am one of the people who bought the phone in order to have the intelligence; my 13 Pro was working fine.
So no, this is not an assumption. And there would be no class action suit if I was the only person who did so.
The lie is that the phone was doing things in the ad which it was not capable of. It still isn’t, and I think plenty of people would’ve waited for the iPhone 17 to come out if they knew intelligence was not happening yet.
It's an assumption it's a majority. One anecdotal story on an anonymous internet forum does not constitute an overall truth for hundreds of millions of customers, each having their own reason, which could be different from yours.
If you make a car ad showing a car doing 0 to 60 in 2 seconds, but it can only actually do it in six seconds, it’s false advertising.
Illegal.
Built for Apple Intelligence is a slogan and not false advertising.
 
It's an assumption it's a majority. One anecdotal story on an anonymous internet forum does not constitute an overall truth for hundreds of millions of customers, each having their own reason, which could be different from yours.

Built for Apple Intelligence is a slogan and not false advertising.
Why do you suppose Apple pulled their ads off the air?

As I wrote earlier, regardless of the slogan, the ads showed the Phone doing things which it is incapable of. They aired ads *based on concepts*, telling people to buy the new phone.
Then, after a bunch of people buy the phone, they say sorry, maybe next year it’ll be working.

After spending millions to produce an air them?
Apple already admitted that the stuff is not going to be available any time soon. They said they basically didn’t realize how hard it was going to be.
Putting ads out before the technology was working was stupid and misleading for iPhone 16 buyers.
If you fail to believe it, then that is your prerogative…we will see how the lawsuits workout.
 
Why do you suppose Apple pulled their ads off the air?

As I wrote earlier, regardless of the slogan, the ads showed the Phone doing things which it is incapable of. They aired ads *based on concepts*, telling people to buy the new phone.
Then, after a bunch of people buy the phone, they say sorry, maybe next year it’ll be working.

After spending millions to produce an air them?
Apple already admitted that the stuff is not going to be available any time soon. They said they basically didn’t realize how hard it was going to be.
Putting ads out before the technology was working was stupid and misleading for iPhone 16 buyers.
If you fail to believe it, then that is your prerogative…we will see how the lawsuits workout.
I suppose Apple pulled the ads in the same vein that Samsung pulled the pink champagne ads. Some could look at it as a nefarious move or an honest mistake. The courts will decide that.
 
If the ad was advertising what the phone is capable of, it's clearly false advertising.

If the ad said, "in the future you can do...blah blah blah..." with it, then that's something less nefarious. I only saw the advertisement one time, so I don't remember exactly how it was demonstrated (please don't make me watch it again...)
 
While I can't believe anyone would buy a new phone based on either promised or implemented AI features, I still think this was a sleazy thing for Apple to do, or for any company to do for that matter.
You mean like Rockstar with GTA6 "coming soon" for the best part of a decade? Or Ocean with Knightrider? Or Microsoft with Longhorn? Software is always late, and to be honest, if there are serious quality problems, I'd rather they delay the launch, unlike most of the AI companies which are pumping out model after model that lie in a confident manner...
 
This lawsuit is completely valid! Apple committed false advertising. I think the only way they can possibly get out of it would be by releasing all Apple Intelligence features, including the new Siri, onto the iPhone 16 before they announce the iPhone 17.
No, I'd rather they pull the advertising, when they realise they can't deliver the products than push something so buggy out the door that it is completely useless.

This sort of thing happens constantly, products are marketed, then there are technical problems that delay the product or the product is pulled completely. I think that is a much more responsible way of handling it than pushing low quality crap out the door, which seems to be the way many AI companies are currently working.

For me, the only question is whether they pulled the ad before when they realised the couldn't deliver or if they kept advertising it, even though internally they knew they couldn't deliver. If that can be proven, the case has some merit.
 
We’ll see what the courts decide. People can say anything.
So then, you do at least agree:
1) There is enough of a case that it should see the inside of a court, and
2) That there are enough people affected that it warrants class certification
 
Lawyers getting rich. Customers probably getting back $10.00 or so.

Part of it is also about punishing companies (at least financially) for "inappropriate" behavior in hopes they won't do it again and/or will deter others from trying similar things. Unfortunately, it doesn't always have the desired effect when you have companies the $ize of Apple.
 
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If the ad was advertising what the phone is capable of, it's clearly false advertising.

If the ad said, "in the future you can do...blah blah blah..." with it, then that's something less nefarious. I only saw the advertisement one time, so I don't remember exactly how it was demonstrated (please don't make me watch it again...)

At least some of the Apple commercials included a "fine print" disclaimer e.g., "Apple Intelligence coming fall 2024 with Siri and device language set to U.S. English. Some features and languages will be coming over the next year."
 
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So then, you do at least agree:
1) There is enough of a case that it should see the inside of a court, and
No I don’t. But that decision isn’t influenced by MR postings.
2) That there are enough people affected that it warrants class certification
Given my stance on #1. Not relevant. It’s a software delay.
 
You mean like Rockstar with GTA6 "coming soon" for the best part of a decade?
The first GTA VI trailer came out in December of 2023. I wouldn't call two years "the best part of a decade". Most people who have ever seen or heard of (let alone play) the GTA series already knew that that the earliest possible timeframe where we'd see a full new game would be ten years after GTA V. GTA VI is hardly late and there have been no promises made or broken in that respect.

Microsoft with Longhorn?
I don't remember much about what Microsoft was advertising when they were still developing Longhorn - perhaps there are a few ads sitting somewhere on my old TiVo. If there's a RealPlayer video out on some MySpace site somewhere you could point me, that might help me remember.

Software is always late, and to be honest, if there are serious quality problems, I'd rather they delay the launch, unlike most of the AI companies which are pumping out model after model that lie in a confident manner...
While I agree in principle, we're talking about Apple software development which, as of late, has been pretty mediocre at best. If you want Apple to wait until they have a product that works as advertised and is relatively bug free, you will be waiting a very long time.
 
We have made sure that Apple's AI is turned OFF on all of our new devices. With the negative information on the airways about government behavior towards our population, we probably will NEVER turn on AI as it sweeps the data off of the user's computer.

The darn caveat is that the AI turn off is a digital switch which can NOT be verified by most users. That causes me to think we need a burner phone and all other gear never goes onto the Internet.

At the end of their general use here in the USA, even the simple flip phone was giving the user location information to the cell phone service providers in the name of emergency services. Cheerfully failing to mention the primary purpose was for the tracking of folks.
 
After faking a demo / ads, Apple encourage people to buy the iPhone 16 to use the intelligence...then the phone did not end up including the intelligence from the faked demo.
Plenty of iPhone 16 purchasers would've held onto their older phone until the intelligence was properly released.
Thus fraud accusations.
Yeah, this is me. I’m an early adopter, so I wanted to play with the AI. But I would have waited a year to get the new phone, had I known that it was vaporware. I’ve been on a 2 year cycle for upgrading, but this year I did a 1 year, just because of the AI. More of an excuse that a necessity, but I’m still surprised it’s been 6 months, multiple ads, and we still don’t have it.
 
Yeah, this is me. I’m an early adopter, so I wanted to play with the AI. But I would have waited a year to get the new phone, had I known that it was vaporware. I’ve been on a 2 year cycle for upgrading, but this year I did a 1 year, just because of the AI. More of an excuse that a necessity, but I’m still surprised it’s been 6 months, multiple ads, and we still don’t have it.
You’re going to get apple intelligence just a bit delayed. That’s what I assume when you say ai, because there are multiple artificial intelligence apps available in the App Store.

I’m playing around with Apple intelligence in my 15PM, and while I wish there were more, some things are very useful to me.
 
No, I'd rather they pull the advertising, when they realise they can't deliver the products than push something so buggy out the door that it is completely useless.

This sort of thing happens constantly, products are marketed, then there are technical problems that delay the product or the product is pulled completely. I think that is a much more responsible way of handling it than pushing low quality crap out the door, which seems to be the way many AI companies are currently working.

For me, the only question is whether they pulled the ad before when they realised the couldn't deliver or if they kept advertising it, even though internally they knew they couldn't deliver. If that can be proven, the case has some merit.
I think the real underlying issues that there were advertising something which they couldn’t even get to work yet.
Telling people to buy a product based on using it in a certain way, which they couldn’t even demonstrate to tech media because it wasn’t working…so yes, they knew it wasn’t working when they launched the ads. They were essentially advertising a concept - and telling people to buy the phone for this purpose.
(No one is asking them to rush out poor software… but please don’t advertise and tell people to buy hardware paste on something fictitious)

This is a company that used to keep their pie hole shut until they could bring the actual working product out on stage and wow the world. (e.g., iPhone launch, MacBook Air launch, etc)
 
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