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Because a single source app store is a choice that is being taken away. I don't want to have to choose between dozens of stores each with their own policies. I don't want to be forced to install a third-party store with policies I disagree with because they offer an exclusivity deal to an app I rely on.
It’s not being taken away and don’t use them ? it’s really that simple ?
 
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Maybe you should stop assuming people don’t read, everyone here is perfectly well aware of your defense of Apple…..
Please avoid personal comments. I’m not defending Apple. I’m defending my own interests.

I assumed you ignored the second half of my post, because it directly addressed your response. It won’t be as simple as ignoring alternative app stores.
 
And while they are at it, why not investigate how car companies price their options.

Apple is free to charge whatever they want for memory and SSD. No, I don’t like Apple’s RAM pricing either, but I don’t have to buy.

So: buy something else, there are dozens or hundreds of alternatives for pretty much each product that Apple sells.

By the way: EU is thinking of banning non-upgradeable memory in laptops, for “sustainability”.

That will also largely destroy the performance per watt advantage of Apple’s SoC approach. Enjoy it while you can. Back to pre-Apple Silicon laptops.

Electronics are easy to recycle. How you manufacture and how much power it draws during use is much more important than being able to upgrade the RAM which nearly no one does, even if possible.
Lol, that's easily fixable. Just add a slot for one extra stick of ram. Immediate compliance. There are zero technological reasons that they can't include this
 
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Sorry. You are over reaching. As a developer you can’t advertise such in the App Store. Pretty much like Samsung can’t advertise cheaper prices in the Verizon store. Developers can market to a broad range of customers in any medium they choose. They could even have a system of passwords and payments outside of the App Store and then simply submit the app to the store for downloading. Oh it must have options to fully activate, but if customers are already active in their ecosystem, they could use the products. Like Spotify, virtually no one who already wants to not pay artists and subsidize josh Grogan, will pay anything to apple at all

So the sole argument is that people want to regulate pricing without the statutory authority to do so. Has anyone seen what Airbnb charges? Now there is something to go after!
and as with every Samsung TV or other stuff, they include advertisement and show cheaper prices for all kinds of things not connected to the store you bought it in without giving a single extra cent to the store.
 
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I agree comply or leave. But to comply apple has to know what it is that it has to do, which has been a moving target.

I’m willing to take a hit on my apple stock price , it it means in the short term apple isn’t giving away billions of dollars due to draconian regulation.
It's not a moving target, and apple doesn't need to know exactly what to do. This is standard everywhere in the EU.
Eu makes regulation, the industry is free to interpret those according to the requirements that must be fulfilled.

Eu makes laws, they then allows every member state to interpret how these requirements and goals should be written as local laws according to local circumstances.


EU tells you what needs to happen, and you use your own knowledge and point of view to construct the method you think is best.
If you disagree, then you can vote against the bill or bring it to the EU court to interpret the points you disagree with.

Eu isn't America where the big government points with their hand and tells you how everything should be done. That's for local governments and industries to fill out the details according to their unique situation. This is personal freedom and responsibility. Independent autonomy
 
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When paid apps are as necessary as water and electricity, we can discuss whether or not my utility prices are something that I'm happy about.

But to answer your question, I'm not particularly happy about my utility prices (although they could be much higher). For example, my electricity costs $.07 to $.12 per kWh, depending on my usage. Let's call my cost an even $.10 per kWh. However, after fees and taxes on my electric bill, it is about $.17 per kWh. That's a 70% tax (including fees). Apple's 30% markup plus sales tax would be a bargain.
Some app purchases can be necessary, it really just depends on the person. For instance, if you are a foreigner who doesn't know language very well, you might consider paying for an ad-free translator as necessary because it helps you survive in your daily life. You would have to pay another 30% due to the Apple tax.
 
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But iOS developers can develop for Android and iOS users can choose to buy an Android device. No one is forced to use and stay with Apple's devices. If you don't like the fact that there's only one source for apps on an iOS device, then you should probably choose a different platform. It's really that simple.

Real competition on iOS? That entire market only exists because of Apple and Apple alone. Any "competition" there is on iOS is because Apple allowed it. They created the OS, they created the developer tools, they created the hardware. This market didn't grow because of open competition, it only grew because Apple developed and created devices that people wanted to buy.

Forcing Apple to completely change their business model is not how you fix the lack of choices in the market. In fact, you're actually taking away a choice - for millions of people who prefer how Apple runs their platform and how their devices work.

To make it easy for you people to conceptualize it.

People living in California(apple) can only purchase their goods from the Apple Store with only apple approved goods with a mandatory 30% cut on every sale. Want to use the college to find friends? Must live in California, eat their food, work, build a house, provide services etc. you must always live there or be prevented from using anything.

If anyone complains, you just tell them to go to Texas instead(android) where they can go to any store they want and enjoy freedom. Some stores take 30% other take 5%. Some even open up their own Mom n Pop shops and do everything independently, But apple do not allow a single Apple Store to exist in Texas

Demanding you move to another state instead of trying to improve the place you currently occupy is not justified.
Demanding more freedom is completely justified, and anyone who still wants to purchase from only Apple stores are free to do so, apple will just be forced to compete more.
Instead of wasting all this time trying to destroy what others have built, maybe the EU should just create their own devices? It seems what they want for their consumers is to buy completely blank devices and then search for and install all the features they need and want for themselves.
Eu have zero interest for a blank device, they just want a people to have the freedom to change things and competition on equal terms. want to replace safari with real Firefox? Why not. Replace Apple Maps with Google Maps? Why not. Use signal or messenger as the standard app for messages and receive SMS as well? Why not. Allow apps to be installed from outside the store? why not just allow people the ability to choose some parts according to their needs that might change donw the line.
 
No you can get equivalent apps. Like you can’t buy a new Honda in a Toyota dealership, yet both products perform an equivalent function. But I didn't have to explain that, as it’s all part of verbal sparring.
no, but some dealerships can sell both Honda and Toyota at the same time next to each other and provide services to both in the same building.
 
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You can get a new Honda at a Toyota dealership?
Yes, you can, we have multiple dealerships selling brand-new cars from multiple vendors.

A few days ago, I bought a completely new KIA E6 with multiple different brands available
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all these cars are brand new
 
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We have many of such dealerships here in Germany, e.g Ford selling VW and vise versa, doesn’t matter if high or low budget cars, nothing new.

But did the government come in and force all Ford dealerships to sell Volkswagens?

Was there a new law that said ABC dealers must sell XYZ brand cars?

Though now that I think about it... I wish the government would make a new law that says McDonalds must sell Taco Bell food.

There's a McDonalds about 2 minutes from my house... while the nearest Taco Bell is about 15 minutes away with tons of traffic.

:p
 
There are some posts like this, but this isn't some cute thing with some small dutch companies suing Apple and that's it. Instead, it is the Match group out of the US and a bunch of other shady companies suing Apple in a more politically sympathetic jurisdiction. If they get a decision they want they can not only get it in the EU, but use it to argue in other countries. This will have a cascading effect to other apps and basically be a horrible scenario for both Apple and the consumer. It's a tough situation for Apple.
EU don’t care about these companies, they care about the issue they brought up. Does it have merit? Then this is an issue for other companies as well. And whatever ruling happens in the Netherlands will have no impact on EU. But apples behavior shure does
At this point, I'm not even sure if this is a stationary target for the law. That's why I keep saying Apple needs to just request a step by step "WHAT DO WE DO???" paper to make everyone happy and not get fined for not doing it 100% by their books.
Or they act like adults. Step by step is not the domain of government to decide

They need to 100% fulfill a set of requirements. How that happens is up to apple to figure out and ACM to then control.
How about a new Ferrari at a Lamborghini dealership?
yes this exist as well
As an android phone can run the WSJ app the same as an iphone?
No, but the dealership can sell a service or equipment etc to Ferrari and Ford in the same building alongside the cars. The car manufacturers can’t mandate only their services and equipment is sold in stores with only their cars.
But did the government come in and force all Ford dealerships to sell Volkswagens?
Nope, they prevented them from mandating dealerships not to sell competing car brands
Was there a new law that said ABC dealers must sell XYZ brand cars?
It said abc dealers are free to sell any brand of car and can’t be prevented from doing so.
Though now that I think about it... I wish the government would make a new law that says McDonalds must sell Taco Bell food.
this shows the misunderstanding you might have.
There's a McDonalds about 2 minutes from my house... while the nearest Taco Bell is about 15 minutes away with tons of traffic.

:p
McDonald’s can’t prevent burger-king from selling McDonald produced burgers, but McDonald’s doesn’t need to sell them to Burger King. That’s the important part.
 
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must be a UK thing. Doesn’t exist in the US where competing models are sold side by side by the same salesperson under the same floor space. Which I doubt exists in the UK as well. Dealerships selling multiple brands, sure. Not side by side.
Yes side by side and can be sold by the same person in EU
Side by side? By the same person under the same roof?
Why is this such a strange thing? It’s no difference from Telenot, ATnT, 3 or Verizon selling both iPhone 13 pro, Samsung galaxy s15 and google pixel next to each other sold to you by the same sales person. Including any compatible accessory made by the manufacturer and 3d party provider right next to each other
In the same room.

And this cars as wel.

Is this not allowed in US?
 
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Is this not allowed in US?

It's allowed in the USA. You can have multiple models on the same floor with the same salesperson selling all models.

Exceptions exist, i.e. new car dealers (who contract with one company and can only sell what is stated in their contract).
 
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Yes side by side and can be sold by the same person in EU

Why is this such a strange thing? It’s no difference from Telenot, ATnT, 3 or Verizon selling both iPhone 13 pro, Samsung galaxy s15 and google pixel next to each other sold to you by the same sales person. Including any compatible accessory made by the manufacturer and 3d party provider right next to each other
In the same room.

And this cars as wel.

Is this not allowed in US?
No. New car (not used car) sales are fairly regulated.
 
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