Apple Holding New Mac Hardware Updates Until OS X Lion Launches?

[*LTD*]

So you never used 10.5.0 then or 10.6.0? both had major flaws. Leopard was terrible until 10.5.3. As for 10.6.0, I would call an upgrade that erases a users hard drive a minor bug, wouldn't you?

It was never that bad for the majority of users. The harder you dig, the less you'll find. There wasn't a massive movement to downgrade to the previous OS. With Vista, however, companies were actually offering to help users downgrade to XP. It was a total disaster.

Apple just went on selling more and more Macs each quarter. No change.

Vista was in a class by itself.

 

[mgsarch]

Duh! I'm intentionally holding off on any new Mac hardware til Lion is out.

heh, The last thing I want on my brand new MBA is 10.7.0, I'll stick with what's stable. If I buy a machine with Lion on it the first thing I do will be install Snow Leopard. "Duh!"

Apple, this news is hogwash.

 

[NightSun]

Don't take as an offense, but I'm amazed that how many people are constantly complaining here about this and that, when it comes to the release of Lion (and now hardware, too). If Apple is shipping the new Macs with Lion straight away then it is objected that hey, it is gonna be full of bugs and how difficult could be to revert to SL, and can't wait 1 month more, but in case they were dispatched without Lion right now, the complain would be about again downloading times and the 'how will I have a copy of Lion to install on all of my machines' question. With such an attitude of course one will never be satisfied at all.

I would say, just take it easy.

 

[HiRez]

Apple wants as many people to be don Lion as possible. What percentage of people do you think will take the trouble to download Lion on their new machines? Maybe half? Shipping them with Lion guarantees 100% usage rate on those machines.

Yeah, it makes sense from Apple's standpoint. And maybe benefits users when taken as a whole (you're going to get better support with the latest OS). Just sucks for those of us who have been waiting for new hardware and don't mind the upgrade process.

 

[*LTD*]

The sense of entitlement is strong in this thread.

 

[PraisiX-windows]

One good bit here is that, with billions of dollars in hardware at stake, there should be a ton of pressure on the software guys to get Lion done and out the door ASAP. Of course...that could easily mean more bugs slip through the cracks, or features that get held out until a later update.

It's the microsoft way ..
With the way they used to be buggy ******-systems when they were released.

I'm sure it'll be alright though, just think it's unfair of them to hold up on the refreshes, albeit seen from their pov this is probably their last chance to sell off their old hardware at full price. - If supplies of a certain item reaches nell I'm sure they'll upgrade it before Lion, it's unlikely to happen though I'd say.

 

[ericmooreart]

Daddy wants a new Mac Mini. So ummm hurry it up please

 

[HiRez]

I'm sure it'll be alright though, just think it's unfair of them to hold up on the refreshes, albeit seen from their pov this is probably their last chance to sell off their old hardware at full price. - If supplies of a certain item reaches nell I'm sure they'll upgrade it before Lion, it's unlikely to happen though I'd say.

Another benefit here may be less inventory problems with new hardware as they will have time to get production up and have a cache ready for launch. So, while you might need to wait another 4 weeks to order, maybe you won't need to wait 2-6 weeks for your order to process either. They could ship a lot on Day 1, potentially. The new Airs are going to be very popular.

 

[gri]

Apple wants as many people to be don Lion as possible. What percentage of people do you think will take the trouble to download Lion on their new machines? Maybe half? Shipping them with Lion guarantees 100% usage rate on those machines.

But if they already provide them with a free upgrade to Lion. They could make it through software update or send them an e-mail with a simple link download and install here... Unless you are sitting still in 20112 on dial up it shouldn't be a big issue any more. After all they want the users to buy and download music, movies and apps as well so what is the big difference.

 

[Wild-Bill]

I don't care what operating system comes loaded on the new Macbook Airs....... so long as Apple reinstates the wrongfully omitted backlit-keyboard.

 

[OllyW]

So you never used 10.5.0 then or 10.6.0? both had major flaws. Leopard was terrible until 10.5.3. As for 10.6.0, I would call an upgrade that erases a users hard drive a minor bug, wouldn't you?

I didn't have any major problems with those two but 10.4.0 was a nightmare for me. I'll be getting Lion on day one but I'll have my cloned backup at the ready just in case it all goes wrong again.

 

[mgsarch]

Don't take as an offense, but I'm amazed that how many people are constantly complaining here about this and that, when it comes to the release of Lion (and now hardware, too). If Apple is shipping the new Macs with Lion straight away then it is objected that hey, it is gonna be full of bugs and how difficult could be to revert to SL, and can't wait 1 month more, but in case they were dispatched without Lion right now, the complain would be about again downloading times and the 'how will I have a copy of Lion to install on all of my machines' question. With such an attitude of course one will never be satisfied at all.

I would say, just take it easy.

So, we voice our thoughts regarding the thread's topic, you then comment on our complaining and never-satisfied attitudes. Disregarding your arrogance, this is a forum for discussing rumors, sir, what did you expect?

 

[SamuraiArtGuy]

...Apple is holding back on releasing updated Mac models in order to wait for work on OS X Lion to be completed. Apple is reportedly "so pumped up" about Lion that it wants to ship the new machines with Lion preinstalled rather than forcing users to upgrade on their own once the new operating system is released next month.

Awesome. That means I, and the rest of us Creative Pros, can look forward to a Mac Pro update sometime in 2012. Yes, that was sarcasm.

IOS devices might be appealing little slabs of electric crack , some of have to CREATE content rather than consume it. That takes a bit more muscle than a mini and more precision than a touch interface. What about us, Steve?

Just grumping, will likely be downsizing to an iMac from a tower when I get that Adobe CS5 file from a vendor or client that I can't open in CS3....

B4NZ41

 

[oiuh151]

Awesome. That means I, and the rest of us Creative Pros, can look forward to a Mac Pro update sometime in 2012. Yes, that was sarcasm.

IOS devices might be appealing little slabs of electric crack , some of have to CREATE content rather than consume it. That takes a bit more muscle than a mini and more precision than a touch interface. What about us, Steve?

Just grumping, will likely be downsizing to an iMac from a tower when I get that Adobe CS5 file from a vendor or client that I can't open in CS3....

B4NZ41

Intel's Sandy Bridge processors slated for the Mac Pro won't be out until Q4 2011 anyway.

 

[ericmooreart]

Just had a thought. If Apple is holding off then wouldn't the time to refresh life for the Lion equipped macs be much shorter?

 

[Yeshto]

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I am on the same situation!!

 

[PlipPlop]

It was never that bad for the majority of users. The harder you dig, the less you'll find. There wasn't a massive movement to downgrade to the previous OS. With Vista, however, companies were actually offering to help users downgrade to XP. It was a total disaster.

Apple just went on selling more and more Macs each quarter. No change.

Vista was in a class by itself.

Vista was perfect for me, never had any problems.
You should have tried original OS X, that was so buggy and slow
It couldnt even burn disks at first. Infact the first 3 or so major releases of OS X were quite bad. Slow and buggy.

 

[gorgeousninja]

If I buy a MacBook Pro, lets say one week after Lion gets released, Will it ship with Lion, or will it ship with Snow Leopard, and then I have to upgrade to Lion?

How about reading the article, thinking, and getting back to us?
Or alternatively, at the time of purchase checking what OS it's running, and asking the salesperson.

 

[iDemiurge]

And why do we have to wait for Lion to get a new display?

I know there's no technical reason for this. I only said that it's nice to hear rumors about a Thunderbold-equipped Cinema Display. Only after Lion is sure better than never.

 

[Stok3]

Vista was perfect for me, never had any problems.
You should have tried original OS X, that was so buggy and slow
It couldnt even burn disks at first. Infact the first 3 or so major releases of OS X were quite bad. Slow and buggy.

well Panther was actually good.

but yeah i agree 10.0 -10.2 was mostly crap

 

[Eidorian]

Vista was perfect for me, never had any problems.
You should have tried original OS X, that was so buggy and slow
It couldnt even burn disks at first. Infact the first 3 or so major releases of OS X were quite bad. Slow and buggy.

I recall actually liking Vista somewhat during the Beta stage. (Believe me I posted about it.) I fell in love with Windows Media Center that was the only redeeming feature. After using Windows 7, I cannot go back to Vista. I am not really sure why I stopped liking Vista after the Beta stage.

well Panther was actually good.

but yeah i agree 10.0 -10.2 was mostly crap

10.2 was really the first usable copy of OS X. Then again people would rather forget that. I did not find OS X really enjoyable until 10.3 though. Tiger was my prime.

 

[fmillion]

Will new MBAs run SL?...

I've been excited about the MBA refresh for a while now and have been holding off buying for that very reason. Reading this news however adds a concern to my plate:

I run some old PPC apps and thus depend heavily on Rosetta. (Some of them will never be available in x86 - defunct companies, lost source code, etc). We all know by now that Lion is dropping Rosetta completely. And, we also know that historically, it's pretty hard to impossible to get machines to boot OS'es older than the ones that were current at the time of original release.

There would be no technical reason the new machine couldn't do Rosetta, that's just Apple dropping it from the OS, trying to force us to "move on". In an ideal world, that'd be great, but when old apps are still around that need to be used, it's a make or break decision.

So..

If this is the case, do we have any clue if I'll be able to run SL on a new machine? If not I might have to back down and just grab a refurbed C2Duo model rather than springing for the new Sandy Bridge.....

I suppose in theory someone could patch Rosetta to make it work on Lion, but I haven't heard anything about such a possibility yet...

FM

 

[bearcatrp]

This bites. I don't plan on upgrading to lion for awhile, at least until the bugs get worked out. SL is just fine. If final cut X is lion only, I'll be passing on this as well as many others. How about letting the consumer decide, apple! This is apple's BS of control. Looks like my current mini will be my last apple product. You fanboys can keep stroking apple's business model, with your hands tide.

 

[Mak47]

This makes perfect sense. Did we all see the article the other day about how 50% of iPhone users never synch their device?

What percentage of customers are going to go to the Mac App Store to download a new OS upgrade? My guess is even lower. Releasing these machines without Lion installed will only stand to slow the adoption rate of the new OS.

This is a smart move for Apple, and most Apple customers. Sure, we all know what to do and are on the lookout for all of these things, but the average user isn't.

 

[*LTD*]

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This bites. I don't plan on upgrading to lion for awhile, at least until the bugs get worked out. SL is just fine. If final cut X is lion only, I'll be passing on this as well as many others. How about letting the consumer decide, apple! This is apple's BS of control. Looks like my current mini will be my last apple product. You fanboys can keep stroking apple's business model, with your hands tide.

I find it interesting how a few on Apple fan sites complain and moan about things like this, while the market at large is perfectly fine with this. If consumers do in fact vote with their wallets, as they have been, then there's no actual problem here. It's all manufactured by the lovable geek contingent on Apple fan sites.