Apple Honors Jimmy Carter With Homepage Tribute

[2761216]

Any incest or rape victim will need plenty of help! However, an abortion won’t help, but will add to the pain.

Human dignity is not defined by the circumstances of our conception. Thus, if it is okay to end the life of an incest or rape victim’s child, then it okay to end the life of any unborn child. And if abortion is wrong, then it is wrong in all circumstances.

And your solution is to force an already traumatized/scarred girl/woman to carry it to term as a constant reminder for the rest of her life?
She needs therapy and discussions with her family and her doctor and she should be the one make the ultimate call as she’d be the one to live it. Not up to you to choose what’s right for someone else. Not very freedom of choice as written by our founding fathers.
And abortion isn’t wrong. You think it’s wrong but it isn’t.
Forcing someone to get an abortion is. Providing them an option isn’t.

 

[bgillander]

Criticizing Israel’s actions is anti-Semitism when it entails a belief that the nation of Israel should not exist, or implications that Israel needs to ceasefire by Hamas does not need to, etc.

Israel was attacked by a foreign country. Hamas declared war, and Hamas is the government of Gaza, right? So when Country A declares war on Country B, expect Country B to fight back.

You’ll note that my whole point was that there had to actually be a justification, not just an accusation that any criticism was antisemitism.

I didn’t say no criticism could be antisemitism. You are giving specific examples, which is the opposite of my concern.

It is the attempt at the squelching of all criticism that is always worrisome. Governments that are doing things well need to welcome criticism.

 

[Suicidy]

I think that’s more an issue of the last 25 years than the years before that.
Besides, that’s been an issue in Europe too. At least here in Belgium.

You can create something good and then mismanage it later. That’s not Carters fault I would argue

How was it ‘good’? The ensuing results say otherwise.

 

[Suicidy]

What relationship exists between the Department of Education and teachers unions?

Why should teachers be prohibited from belonging to unions, a right which every other person has?

Because the relationship between government workers and government is much different than in the private sector. As there is no profit motive. There should be no public sector unions.

 

[2761216]

Because the relationship between government workers and government is much different than in the private sector. As there is no profit motive. There should be no public sector unions.

There’s no “unionicide” in constitution either. Case closed.

 

[Chuckeee]

Criticizing Israel’s actions is anti-Semitism when it entails a belief that the nation of Israel should not exist, or implications that Israel needs to ceasefire by Hamas does not need to, etc.

Israel was attacked by a foreign country. Hamas declared war, and Hamas is the government of Gaza, right? So when Country A declares war on Country B, expect Country B to fight back.

It’s not a case of one side being right and the other side being wrong. Both Hamas and the current Israeli government are wrong, vile and evil.

 

[Alameda]

It’s not a case of one side being right and the other side being wrong. Both Hamas and the current Israeli government are wrong, vile and evil.

That’s your opinion.
My opinion is that Israel was attacked by another nation. If Iran invaded America and killed 1,400 civilians and kidnapped 250 more, we’d wage war until they surrendered.

 

[bgillander]

It’s not a case of one side being right and the other side being wrong. Both Hamas and the current Israeli government are wrong, vile and evil.

If you had stopped at wrong, I would have easily given you a thumbs up, as there is always lots of wrong to go around, but I try to avoid such black and white labels.

That said, the University of Oxford does seem to give some credence to your view that the shades of grey have gotten rather dark on both sides (unfortunately, the link preview lists only one of those sides):

International law in Gaza: belligerent intent and provisional measures - ORA - Oxford University Research Archive

On October 7, 2023, Palestinian armed groups, chiefly Hamas's armed wing, breached the fence around the Gaza strip and launched attacks on Israeli territory. Over several hours, Palestinian fighters killed 1,269 people, mostly civilians, engaged in sexual violence and torture, and took 253 hostages.

ora.ox.ac.uk

 

[bgillander]

That’s your opinion.
My opinion is that Israel was attacked by another nation. If Iran invaded America and killed 1,400 civilians and kidnapped 250 more, we’d wage war until they surrendered.

Grenada is asking why you set the bar so high.

 

[bgillander]

If you were living in the USA in the early 1800s, do you think it would be okay to just be “personally opposed” to slavery, or do you think you would you feel obligated to do what you could to eradicate it?

So your argument in support of the government taking away a woman's rights is that it used to be okay for that government to take away the freedom of a race? That seems rather selective. I'm actually pro-freedom for both.

 

[Alameda]

It’s not a case of one side being right and the other side being wrong. Both Hamas and the current Israeli government are wrong, vile and evil.

I disagree.
I am not a Netanyahu supporter at all; I think he is Israel’s Trump. But he was elected. Hamas was not elected; they seized power by murdering the leaders of Fatah.

Hamas has consistently rejected the right of Israel to exist. Israel obviously accepts the rights of Palestinians to live on their land. I think that taking land in the West Bank in retaliation for acts of terrorism is wrong, but the Israeli people have been surrounded by armed, hostile enemies trying to destroy them for over 80 years. And all of the UN crap hasn’t benefitted Israel one iota.

Israel has been condemned by the UN more times than every other nation combined. There was actual genocide in Bosnia, Haiti, Rwanda, Sudan, Iraq, and China. Far more than 30,000 people, too. But for 80 years, the UN has devoted a disproportionate amount of energy in blaming and condemning a tiny nation of a few million people.

The myth is that Israel is an apartheid regime. The truth is that a fully integrated Palestinian/Jewish nation would result in a Muslim-ruled nation which, like a dozen-plus other Arab nations, would expel all Jews. That is simple fact.

For instance, my next door neighbor is a Lebanese Christian. Her mother just died, but she isn’t allowed to inherit her mother’s home in Lebanon, because she is not a Muslim. So you see, going kumbaya and pretending that Israel must think that Muslim governments behave the way Western European governments behave is pure fantasy.

There is only one democracy in the Mideast, and it is Israel. That doesn’t mean everything Israel does is right. I think the problem is that the Israeli people have been attacked by so many, for so long, that they’re just sick of it. They’ve had school buses and pizza parlors bombed, they have tolerated air raids from Saddam, Syria, Lebanon, Gaza and now Yemen, for the reason that they have the audacity to live as Jews in the Mideast. You have to understand: Muslim intolerance of Jews is the heart of what’s going on. Arab dictators have been blaming the Jews for all of their problems for 85 years; it keeps their own people from realize that its their own dictators who are causing their problems, not Allah’s wrath at the next-door neighbors.

 

[cupcakes2000]

I disagree.
I am not a Netanyahu supporter at all; I think he is Israel’s Trump. But he was elected. Hamas was not elected; they seized power by murdering the leaders of Fatah.

Hamas has consistently rejected the right of Israel to exist. Israel obviously accepts the rights of Palestinians to live on their land. I think that taking land in the West Bank in retaliation for acts of terrorism is wrong, but the Israeli people have been surrounded by armed, hostile enemies trying to destroy them for over 80 years. And all of the UN crap hasn’t benefitted Israel one iota.

Israel has been condemned by the UN more times than every other nation combined. There was actual genocide in Bosnia, Haiti, Rwanda, Sudan, Iraq, and China. Far more than 30,000 people, too. But for 80 years, the UN has devoted a disproportionate amount of energy in blaming and condemning a tiny nation of a few million people.

The myth is that Israel is an apartheid regime. The truth is that a fully integrated Palestinian/Jewish nation would result in a Muslim-ruled nation which, like a dozen-plus other Arab nations, would expel all Jews. That is simple fact.

For instance, my next door neighbor is a Lebanese Christian. Her mother just died, but she isn’t allowed to inherit her mother’s home in Lebanon, because she is not a Muslim. So you see, going kumbaya and pretending that Israel must think that Muslim governments behave the way Western European governments behave is pure fantasy.

There is only one democracy in the Mideast, and it is Israel. That doesn’t mean everything Israel does is right. I think the problem is that the Israeli people have been attacked by so many, for so long, that they’re just sick of it. They’ve had school buses and pizza parlors bombed, they have tolerated air raids from Saddam, Syria, Lebanon, Gaza and now Yemen, for the reason that they have the audacity to live as Jews in the Mideast. You have to understand: Muslim intolerance of Jews is the heart of what’s going on. Arab dictators have been blaming the Jews for all of their problems for 85 years; it keeps their own people from realize that its their own dictators who are causing their problems, not Allah’s wrath at the next-door neighbors.

This is for the most part quite a correct view, from one side at least. It still doesn’t offer any excuses for what they’re currently doing, or certainly not how they’re doing it. All the west is just as bad with how they handle such situations. All that aside, it’s PERFECTLY acceptable to criticise what and how they (or anyone) does things, it certainly doesn’t always equate to antisemitism though. Surely a poster with a logical mind such as you seem to have, must agree.

 

[Naraxus]

Cuz it is genocide. The Irish gov doesn’t have a dog in the fight and if they suggest the re-def of the word then you should be paying more attention to the actions that led to it, not less.

It's not but keep trying

 

[Naraxus]

Having a horrible personal experience can definitely give a person a new perspective. Out of curiousity, did you allow that exception prior to your sister's experience, or were you unaware of the risks?

Honestly I've always had the view that saving the mother is a justifiable reason to terminate a pregnancy. I'm not Jewish but I believe the Torah (sp) mentions something along these lines. The Bible I don't think specifies.

 

[Naraxus]

Please watch this with an open mind. If you still think the Israeli gov isn't making lives of everyday Palestinians difficult in as many ways as possible then there's really nothing for us to discuss. You're clearly set in your ways and see the entire Israel as the second coming of god that'd you're willing to make excuses for its politicians' atrocious behavior.

Every bit of suffering they're experiencing is the fault of Hamas.

Hamas/Hezbolah et al lay down their arms today, the war ends tomorrow.

Israel lays down their arms today, tomorrow Israel is wiped off the map.

 

[Naraxus]

And your solution is to force an already traumatized/scarred girl/woman to carry it to term as a constant reminder for the rest of her life?
She needs therapy and discussions with her family and her doctor and she should be the one make the ultimate call as she’d be the one to live it. Not up to you to choose what’s right for someone else. Not very freedom of choice as written by our founding fathers.
And abortion isn’t wrong. You think it’s wrong but it isn’t.
Forcing someone to get an abortion is. Providing them an option isn’t.

Abortion is wrong in every sense of the word

 

[cupcakes2000]

I'm not Jewish but I believe the Torah (sp) mentions something along these lines. The Bible I don't think specifies.

What a sentence to read in 2025. Moral decisions and medical procedures being argued based on what thousands of years old religious texts say. Absolutely baffled.

 

[Naraxus]

What a sentence to read in 2025. Moral decisions and medical procedures being argued based on what thousands of years old religious texts say. Absolutely baffled.

I wasn't basing decisions off anything or arguing from a religious standpoint.

 

[Alameda]

This is for the most part quite a correct view, from one side at least. It still doesn’t offer any excuses for what they’re currently doing, or certainly not how they’re doing it. All the west is just as bad with how they handle such situations. All that aside, it’s PERFECTLY acceptable to criticise what and how they (or anyone) does things, it certainly doesn’t always equate to antisemitism though. Surely a poster with a logical mind such as you seem to have, must agree.

The logical mind listens to what it hears and what it does not hear. I have heard a tremendous amount of anti-Semitic language in the last year. And I’ve heard infinitely more criticism of Israel than of other nations conducting themselves comparably.

Let me give you an example: Can you show me posts here condemning the government of Somalia, or Yemen, or Sudan, or the former Syria? Like… just one? But the Jews!!! Oh, how we must criticize! We must criticize them every day! We can’t miss a day! We must divest, we must condemn, we must make accusations of genocide! But we are not anti-Semitic… just… very selective in our accusations.

That is how I see it. And, as I’ve said, my perspective is that the Israeli people are sick and tired of being subjected to decades of terrorism. The Palestinians invented modern terrorism. They hijacked airlines, cruise ships, they murdered Olympic athletes, blew up school buses, pizza parlors, and on and on.

Consider just this one thing: Why on Earth do Palestinians continue to live in “refugee camps”? After 85 years? These are the great-grandchildren of refugees, and they’re still living in refugee camps? Are the Jewish refugees of the Holocaust living in refugee camps? Or the Jewish refugees who were forcibly expelled from over a dozen Arab nations? No. I don’t think any other people on earth spend 85 years living in refugee camps.

 

[bgillander]

The logical mind listens to what it hears and what it does not hear. I have heard a tremendous amount of anti-Semitic language in the last year. And I’ve heard infinitely more criticism of Israel than of other nations conducting themselves comparably.

Let me give you an example: Can you show me posts here condemning the government of Somalia, or Yemen, or Sudan, or the former Syria? Like… just one? But the Jews!!! Oh, how we must criticize! We must criticize them every day! We can’t miss a day! We must divest, we must condemn, we must make accusations of genocide! But we are not anti-Semitic… just… very selective in our accusations.

That is how I see it. And, as I’ve said, my perspective is that the Israeli people are sick and tired of being subjected to decades of terrorism. The Palestinians invented modern terrorism. They hijacked airlines, cruise ships, they murdered Olympic athletes, blew up school buses, pizza parlors, and on and on.

Consider just this one thing: Why on Earth do Palestinians continue to live in “refugee camps”? After 85 years? These are the great-grandchildren of refugees, and they’re still living in refugee camps? Are the Jewish refugees of the Holocaust living in refugee camps? Or the Jewish refugees who were forcibly expelled from over a dozen Arab nations? No. I don’t think any other people on earth spend 85 years living in refugee camps.

I don’t think mocking people for spending 85 years in the refugee camps they were displaced into when their homes were taken really helps the case of the side that ended up with those homes.

 

[cupcakes2000]

The logical mind listens to what it hears and what it does not hear. I have heard a tremendous amount of anti-Semitic language in the last year. And I’ve heard infinitely more criticism of Israel than of other nations conducting themselves comparably.

Let me give you an example: Can you show me posts here condemning the government of Somalia, or Yemen, or Sudan, or the former Syria? Like… just one? But the Jews!!! Oh, how we must criticize! We must criticize them every day! We can’t miss a day! We must divest, we must condemn, we must make accusations of genocide! But we are not anti-Semitic… just… very selective in our accusations.

That is how I see it. And, as I’ve said, my perspective is that the Israeli people are sick and tired of being subjected to decades of terrorism. The Palestinians invented modern terrorism. They hijacked airlines, cruise ships, they murdered Olympic athletes, blew up school buses, pizza parlors, and on and on.

Consider just this one thing: Why on Earth do Palestinians continue to live in “refugee camps”? After 85 years? These are the great-grandchildren of refugees, and they’re still living in refugee camps? Are the Jewish refugees of the Holocaust living in refugee camps? Or the Jewish refugees who were forcibly expelled from over a dozen Arab nations? No. I don’t think any other people on earth spend 85 years living in refugee camps.

Wow.

See, you see how some people are so blinded and just hate Jews regardless and are exactly the kind of people you’re speaking about? Well you’re the same, but on the other side. You cannot see past your hatred. It’s not hatred of Jewish peoples, so perhaps it’s a better sort of hatred? I dunno. But it’s a pointless conversation.

 

[Alameda]

I don’t think mocking people for spending 85 years in the refugee camps they were displaced into when their homes were taken really helps the case of the side that ended up with those homes.

They’re living in refugee camps by choice! They’re great-grandchildren of refugees. If somebody took your great-grandfather’s home away, would that make you homeless today? Most people in the world don’t need to live in great-granddad’s home, or even their parents’ home, once they’re adults. They make their way in the world.

You’re casting all sorts of dispersions upon Israel because you don’t understand the situation. The reason Palestinians live in refugee camps is because they deliberately choose to.
They want to make a “statement” about how their true home is in Israel.

Their great-granddads started a war. They lost the war. They fought another war. And another. And another. And lost them all. After 85 years, they need to just get on with life, and be productive and peaceful. Gaza is an extremely beautiful place; right on the Mediterranean. One of the most beautiful places in the Arab world. They could have resorts, hotels, you name it. But they refuse, and they spent every penny building rockets and tunnels instead of schools and hotels. What good has it done?

When Israel turned over Gaza to Palestinian rule, American Jewish philanthropists raised milllions of dollars to donate a massive greenhouse to the Gazans, to help them build their economy. But the Gazans deliberately destroyed it within a week. Go look it up.

The eight million Jews of Israel have nowhere else to go. They aren’t going to leave.

 

[bgillander]

They’re living in refugee camps by choice! They’re great-grandchildren of refugees. If somebody took your great-grandfather’s home away, would that make you homeless today? Most people in the world don’t need to live in great-granddad’s home, or even their parents’ home, once they’re adults. They make their way in the world.

You’re casting all sorts of dispersions upon Israel because you don’t understand the situation. The reason Palestinians live in refugee camps is because they deliberately choose to.
They want to make a “statement” about how their true home is in Israel.

Their great-granddads started a war. They lost the war. They fought another war. And another. And another. And lost them all. After 85 years, they need to just get on with life, and be productive and peaceful. Gaza is an extremely beautiful place; right on the Mediterranean. One of the most beautiful places in the Arab world. They could have resorts, hotels, you name it. But they refuse, and they spent every penny building rockets and tunnels instead of schools and hotels. What good has it done?

When Israel turned over Gaza to Palestinian rule, American Jewish philanthropists raised milllions of dollars to donate a massive greenhouse to the Gazans, to help them build their economy. But the Gazans deliberately destroyed it within a week. Go look it up.

The eight million Jews of Israel have nowhere else to go. They aren’t going to leave.

What I'm saying is that your comment actually helps the other side of your argument, as it helps illustrate why they might have that 85 years of festering resentment.

Since you used the "what if it happened in America" argument earlier, if the United Nations were to decide that the people of Gaza deserve a new homeland after this and they displace you from your city to give it to them, am I to assume you would have no ill will?

 

[avkills]

Abortion is wrong in every sense of the word

Your belief is that all babies regardless of how they were conceived should be carried until born?

 

[4k78]

Israel lays down their arms today, tomorrow Israel is wiped off the map.

More people need to understand this.