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Ridiculous. Common and widespread parlance all over the world defines the term "antisemitic" to mean Jew hatred. So, just so you know, if you come across people making this argument, it just means they are ignorant or, more likely, virolently antisemitic. Good day.

Thanks) But people would actually need to read a little bit more than just MacRumors to know that. :)
 
Ridiculous. Common and widespread parlance all over the world defines the term "antisemitic" to mean Jew hatred. So, just so you know, if you come across people making this argument, it just means they are ignorant or, more likely, virolently antisemitic. Good day.

Thank you for the link. Personally I think both sides are idiots. I have Jewish relatives so no hatred here (I am not Jewish though)
 
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The claim of "genocide" is objectively false on every fair minded measure. It's a political shorthand for being anti-Israel, but it is quite obviously false
Nothing in this screams objective at all except for your use of the word itself.
These days with Israel bombing every country it could, I don’t see much difference between Israel or Hamas or Russia. All are extremist nations/groups drunk with power of which the consequences are borne by everyday citizens trying to live another day.

For your “objectively” I do you one better with a fact.


He also called for the erase of an entire Palestinian village. If that’s not genocide, I don’t know what is. I’m sure there’s a definition for that too in Oxford.
 
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Nothing in this screams objective at all except for your use of the word itself.
These days with Israel bombing every country it could, I don’t see much difference between Israel or Hamas or Russia. All are extremist nations/groups drunk with power of which the consequences are borne by everyday citizens trying to live another day.
Well, a term is what it is, it's not about being objective or subjective. Funny that ICJ was recently asked to broaden definition of genocide in order to help with the anti-israili agenda. There's your objectivity at work.
 
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Well, a term is what it is, it's not about being objective or subjective. Funny that ICJ was recently asked to broaden definition of genocide in order to help with the anti-israili agenda. There's your objectivity at work.
Cuz it is genocide. The Irish gov doesn’t have a dog in the fight and if they suggest the re-def of the word then you should be paying more attention to the actions that led to it, not less.
 
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Cuz it is genocide. The Irish gov doesn’t have a dog in the fight and if they suggest the re-def of the word then you should be paying more attention to the actions that led to it, not less.
Listen, you've already demonstrated that you don't know the meaning of the term, and that you are just as subjective as everyone here minus the basic knowledge of the subject. This serves little purpose.
 
Listen, you've already demonstrated that you don't know the meaning of the term, and that you are just as subjective as everyone here minus the basic knowledge of the subject. This serves little purpose.
I asked you to lookup the facts and you wouldn’t. You’re right! This serves no purpose.
 
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I asked you to lookup the facts and you wouldn’t. You’re right! This serves no purpose.
You asked me to look up facts? Either you added it in later, or I missed it. Ok, two facts — saying something or calling for something isn't genocide. Remember when college students on US campuses were chanting for Jewish genocide — it was explained that they were merely practicing their freedom of speech and nothing more. Something tells me you would agree with that, so maybe be consistent, or 'objective'? Of course if this the the fact that you bring to the table, then I've overestimated you by too much. Perhaps think about how the Arab population is consistently increasing in a country, which according to you, is performing a genocide against them. Spoiler — typically genocides have different effect on populations. May I suggest doing some research on genocides in Syria, Sudan, Yemen and so on. Somehow I doubt you will, but that is your choice. You don't have to reply to me, I've had too many of these conversations to have any hope left for "experts" such as yourself. :)
 
You asked me to look up facts? Either you added it in later, or I missed it. Ok, two facts — saying something or calling for something isn't genocide. Remember when college students on US campuses were chanting for Jewish genocide — it was explained that they were merely practicing their freedom of speech and nothing more. Something tells me you would agree with that, so maybe be consistent, or 'objective'? Of course if this the the fact that you bring to the table, then I've overestimated you by too much. Perhaps think about how the Arab population is consistently increasing in a country, which according to you, is performing a genocide against them. Spoiler — typically genocides have different effect on populations. May I suggest doing some research on genocides in Syria, Sudan, Yemen and so on. Somehow I doubt you will, but that is your choice. You don't have to reply to me, I've had too many of these conversations to have any hope left for "experts" such as yourself. :)
Please watch this with an open mind. If you still think the Israeli gov isn't making lives of everyday Palestinians difficult in as many ways as possible then there's really nothing for us to discuss. You're clearly set in your ways and see the entire Israel as the second coming of god that'd you're willing to make excuses for its politicians' atrocious behavior.

 
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Nothing in this screams objective at all except for your use of the word itself.
These days with Israel bombing every country it could, I don’t see much difference between Israel or Hamas or Russia. All are extremist nations/groups drunk with power of which the consequences are borne by everyday citizens trying to live another day.

For your “objectively” I do you one better with a fact.


He also called for the erase of an entire Palestinian village. If that’s not genocide, I don’t know what is. I’m sure there’s a definition for that too in Oxford.
Like I said, it's objectively not a genocide. It is a war though. You should ponder the following:

1. “Genocide” refers to the physical destruction of an entire group in whole or in part that has been targeted on the basis of its identity. This is not Israel’s objective in Gaza.

2. Is Genocide Happening in Gaza? No. Israel is responding to a genocidal attack by Hamas as a matter of national self-defense. Read the Hamas founding charter which calls for the destruction of Israel.

3. Israel’s actions reflect its desire to spare Palestinian civilians from harm, not to deliberately harm them.

4. Hamas’ actions are designed to cause harm to Palestinian civilians and blame Israel.

5. The “facts” of the genocide charge don’t add up: what are the number of “innocents” vs. terrorists that have died? Hamas refuses to report but Israel reports a 1.5:1 ratio, which is incredibly low in an urban combat environment. What are the circumstances in which numerous innocents have been killed in Gaza? Most are enemy combatants and many civilians have been put into harms way by their own leadership. What is the nature of the military objective of attacks carried out by the IDF in which Palestinian civilians have died? Israeli actions have been targeted strikes against military targets with advanced warnings given to civilians.

None of this says "genocide" as the term has been understood historically. I would refer you to the Armenian genocide conducted by Turkey or the Jewish genocide conducted by Nazi Germany for further understanding of the term "genocide."
 
Please watch this with an open mind. If you still think the Israeli gov isn't making lives of everyday Palestinians difficult in as many ways as possible then there's really nothing for us to discuss. You're clearly set in your ways and see the entire Israel as the second coming of god that'd you're willing to make excuses for its politicians' atrocious behavior.

Are you seriously citing to a comedian as a way to refute an argument? Do you really get your news from such sources? So absurd. Good day.
 
None of this says "genocide" as the term has been understood historically. I would refer you to the Armenian genocide conducted by Turkey or the Jewish genocide conducted by Nazi Germany for further understanding of the term "genocide."
If you're just waiting on the numbers to qualify for "genocide" as understood historically then you can just wait for 4 years.

Are you seriously citing to a comedian as a way to refute an argument? Do you really get your news from such sources? So absurd. Good day.
So you'd just dismiss the whole set of facts just cuz it's on a comedy show? That's absurd.
 
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Israel is responding to a genocidal attack by Hamas
It’s wasn’t a ‘genocidal’ attack by Hamas. It was a terrorist attack. With which Isreal responded with all out war. This has lead to the levelling of a whole country and the displacement or death of millions of people, a minuscule amount of which were in any way responsible for what happened.

Terrorism is wrong and needs to be dealt with, but anyone arguing that Isreal responded to, and continues to respond to regardless, is doing so with any just cause or morals or even wartime responsibility- then they really really need to step back and just look at the whole picture.
 
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...Perhaps he regrets it, or perhaps his maker is congratulating him on correctly understanding "Judge not"...
If you were living in the USA in the early 1800s, do you think it would be okay to just be “personally opposed” to slavery, or do you think you would you feel obligated to do what you could to eradicate it?
 
That is just so convenient for you, isn’t it?

All those rules in the Bible…. And you can break them all, can’t you? But abortion, which the Bible doesn’t mention, is the one moral rule you cannot break. Which is awfully convenient for you, because your body can’t even have an abortion! So all you have to do is tell other people what to do, and you get to go to heaven!

OR, you could waste a little time and actually read the Bible for yourself and follow the rules that are actually written. Modern Christianity has very, very little to do with what’s written in the Bible and a lot to do with rules and stories dreamed up by men, like the rapture.
Here are two organizations that are a huge help in healing the pain of abortion:

Rachel’s Vineyard (https://www.rachelsvineyard.org)

Project Rachel (https://hopeafterabortion.com)

You might know someone who needs this assistance.
 
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You clearly have no idea what a sepsis is so I’d rather have an MD make that call. Without having to worry about any legal repercussions of course.
Here is a great book that covers, among many other relevant abortion issues, whether abortion is ever needed:

Two Patients - My Conversion from Abortion to Life-Affirming Medicine, by John Bruchalski, M.D.

P.S. I know what sepsis is as I know several people who have had it, including my mother.
 
It’s wasn’t a ‘genocidal’ attack by Hamas. It was a terrorist attack. With which Isreal responded with all out war. This has lead to the levelling of a whole country and the displacement or death of millions of people, a minuscule amount of which were in any way responsible for what happened.

Terrorism is wrong and needs to be dealt with, but anyone arguing that Isreal responded to, and continues to respond to regardless, is doing so with any just cause or morals or even wartime responsibility- then they really really need to step back and just look at the whole picture.
The October 7 attack of Israel was not a terrorist attack, it was an act of war, followed by a declaration of war by Hamas, followed by continuous missile attacks by Hamas, who are the government of Gaza.

It was war, plain and simple. And war has no referees. There are no scorekeepers. No nation EVER in the history of war simply killed X number of people and then stopped, simply because they did not want to exceed the number of casualties inflicted upon them… because war is not a game and there aren’t scorekeepers.

This is not complicated: If you don’t want your nation’s military and civilians killed, don’t declare war on another country. Got it? Because when you declare war on another country, they fight back until one side surrenders.
 
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Israel has shown more restraint than any other country in history in their reaction to Hamas mass murderers. And there is very little daylight between critiquing Israel and being a Jew hater. So don’t even go there.
There is a blinding amount of daylight between a government and a people.

That is like saying half the Americans are anti-American, yet in three weeks it will be the other half. People are capable of loving their country while not loving their government, and their ability to criticize their government should be entrenched as a right.

Criticism of a government’s actions is not automatically a criticism of a people, and the accusation that it usually is is far more dangerous than any of that actual criticism. Modern McCarthyism.
 
There is a blinding amount of daylight between a government and a people.

That is like saying half the Americans are anti-American, yet in three weeks it will be the other half. People are capable of loving their country while not loving their government, and their ability to criticize their government should be entrenched as a right.

Criticism of a government’s actions is not automatically a criticism of a people, and the accusation that it usually is is far more dangerous than any of that actual criticism. Modern McCarthyism.
Criticizing Israel’s actions is anti-Semitism when it entails a belief that the nation of Israel should not exist, or implications that Israel needs to ceasefire but Hamas does not need to, etc.

Israel was attacked by a foreign country. Hamas declared war, and Hamas is the government of Gaza, right? So when Country A declares war on Country B, expect Country B to fight back.
 
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But it’s the doctor and patient who should decide this, not a bunch of “born again” politicians. Women have already died because of the Dobs decision.

Besides that, I think it’s frankly barbaric to force a 13 year-old incest or rape victim to deliver a baby in order to assuage your conscience. A group of American Christians have concocted a religion which “saves” them simply for being white, straight and male, and the only sins one can commit are by being dark-skinned, gay or pregnant. It’s absurd, to be honest.
Any incest or rape victim will need plenty of help! However, an abortion won’t help, but will add to the pain.

Human dignity is not defined by the circumstances of our conception. Thus, if it is okay to end the life of an incest or rape victim’s child, then it okay to end the life of any unborn child. And if abortion is wrong, then it is wrong in all circumstances.
 
Any incest or rape victim will need plenty of help! However, an abortion won’t help, but will add to the pain.

Human dignity is not defined by the circumstances of our conception. Thus, if it is okay to end the life of an incest or rape victim’s child, then it okay to end the life of any unborn child. And if abortion is wrong, then it is wrong in all circumstances.
I don’t think that is a decision you have the right to make, except for yourself.
 
Here is a great book that covers, among many other relevant abortion issues, whether abortion is ever needed:

Two Patients - My Conversion from Abortion to Life-Affirming Medicine, by John Bruchalski, M.D.

P.S. I know what sepsis is as I know several people who have had it, including my mother.
You lost me the moment the author’s a “faith” based doctor.
Faith is blind and doesn’t require proof. Science on the other hand absolutely does. Bring me one that’s fact-based and not faith-based and I’ll give it a whirl.

The Bible apparently said “Love thy neighbor” but you’re saying I’ll only love those that share in my beliefs and everyone else is an enemy till they bend to my faith. Isn’t that what they did to Jesus?
 
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