Apple Honors Jimmy Carter With Homepage Tribute

[2761216]

Abortion is wrong in every sense of the word

Says who?

You have no problem with freedom to bear arms. You have no problem with stand your ground laws. You're opposed to the gov intervening in either of those but you have no problem with gov telling a woman what she should or shouldn't do with her own body?
99.99% of those who are against a woman's right to choice can't even get their basic anatomy right. Why would you feel you get a say at all based on what you feel is right?

No uterus, no opinion.

 

[Naraxus]

Your belief is that all babies regardless of how they were conceived should be carried until born?

Yes

 

[Naraxus]

Says who?

You have no problem with freedom to bear arms. You have no problem with stand your ground laws. You're opposed to the gov intervening in either of those but you have no problem with gov telling a woman what she should or shouldn't do with her own body?
99.99% of those who are against a woman's right to choice can't even get their basic anatomy right. Why would you feel you get a say at all based on what you feel is right?

No uterus, no opinion.

A woman can do whatever she wants with her body.

What she can't do is wantonly decide to destroy the body belonging to her child.

 

[2761216]

A woman can do whatever she wants with her body.

What she can't do is wantonly decide to destroy the body belonging to her child.

You make it sound like they choose to get abortion like they chose to get a haircut or something.

Also by your logic, you don’t have a problem with trans kids I presume? It’s their own body. No kids or fetuses involved.

You got no uterus, your opinions on abortion don’t count. I’m happy to indulge when you get one.

 

[Alameda]

What I'm saying is that your comment actually helps the other side of your argument, as it helps illustrate why they might have that 85 years of festering resentment.

Since you used the "what if it happened in America" argument earlier, if the United Nations were to decide that the people of Gaza deserve a new homeland after this and they displace you from your city to give it to them, am I to assume you would have no ill will?

They have 85 years of resentment because that’s what their leaders have been filling their heads with. They teach their children to hate zionists starting in their UN-funded nursery schools.

I believe strongly in the UN, but it’s badly failed the Israeli people and the Palestinians as well. As an organization, they’ve caved into the wishes of the Arab and oil producing world, who want a scapegoat in the Mideast, and the scapegoat of every Arab nation is the Jews.

 

[4k78]

Says who?

You have no problem with freedom to bear arms. You have no problem with stand your ground laws. You're opposed to the gov intervening in either of those but you have no problem with gov telling a woman what she should or shouldn't do with her own body?
99.99% of those who are against a woman's right to choice can't even get their basic anatomy right. Why would you feel you get a say at all based on what you feel is right?

No uterus, no opinion.

Seven men decided Roe V Wade.

 

[2761216]

Seven men decided Roe V Wade.

Giving ppl a choice is never the problem just like your right to bear arms.

You don’t have to be an expert to agree ppl should have the freedom of choice as long as it doesn’t affect anyone else. But it’s when you’re taking one away that you need to be able to justify it instead of “oh, it’s against my beliefs” or “this books says so”.

While I respect you trying, you’ve missed the point again.

 

[4k78]

Giving ppl a choice is never the problem just like your right to bear arms.

You don’t have to be an expert to agree ppl should have the freedom of choice as long as it doesn’t affect anyone else. But it’s when you’re taking one away that you need to be able to justify it instead of “oh, it’s against my beliefs” or “this books says so”.

While I respect you trying, you’ve missed the point again.

The right to bear arms is specifically enumerated in the constitution. Abortion is not and should be left to the states. Constitution 101.

 

[2761216]

The right to bear arms is specifically enumerated in the constitution. Abortion is not and should be left to the states. Constitution 101.

Proving my point again that you’re missing the point.
It’s been founding fathers not founding mothers. Things would’ve been different perhaps.

 

[kagharaht]

Apple honors Jimmy Carter while Cook donates $1 Mil to a Convict and Adjudicated Rapist. Can't wait for him to retire and leave Apple.

 

[I7guy]

Apple honors Jimmy Carter while Cook donates $1 Mil to a Convict and Adjudicated Rapist. Can't wait for him to retire and leave Apple.

Oh, dont worry he’ll leave apple. My guess 5 years. Or maybe 4 years.

 

[avkills]

Yes

Do you have any daughters? I suppose your stance would stay the same if one of them was brutally raped?

Also, I suppose you would have no problem paying more taxes to fund shelters and homes because so many babies would go abandoned; or be willing to adopt a new baby every year?

See the problem is that most people with your point of view don't care what happens to the baby after it is born; only that it is born.

 

[cupcakes2000]

don't care what happens to the baby after it is born

The same struggling depressed destroyed mother, forced to keep the baby by a government, no less - will go on to be unable to get work, live on benefits, live in social housing. The baby will grow up in a life of poverty and potentially crime - suddenly the government and all the people who were so adamant that abortion is their concern, will wash their hands of them, deny them a proper education, deny them decent accessible healthcare. Then the exact same keyboard warriors here and elsewhere will proclaim them as nothing more than scroungers of their tax dollar.

 

[gregmac19]

You lost me the moment the author’s a “faith” based doctor.
Faith is blind and doesn’t require proof. Science on the other hand absolutely does. Bring me one that’s fact-based and not faith-based and I’ll give it a whirl.

It is sad that you are not more open to reading Two Patients. Although Doctor Bruchalski was raised Catholic and is now a devout one, he went through a period early in his adult life where he abandoned his faith. However, he is an exceedingly compassionate person who cares deeply about people. While he had been in college, many women confided their deepest concerns about female issues (e.g., dating, birth control, and pregnancy) to him. Thus, he developed a deep sympathy to women in need, especially poor ones, and thus decided to become an OB/GYN. As a doctor he provided abortions and other services contrary to the Catholic faith, thinking that he was helping his patients. But, he soon discovered that he wasn’t giving his patients what they needed. And he figured out what abortion is. As a doctor intimately involved in the procedure, he couldn’t ignore the evidence before him. Thus, although the author has had a few powerful religious experiences that influenced him, I think this book is both fact and faith based.

I have yet to read it, but I think that “The Scalpel and the Soul: Our Radical Transformation as Husband and Wife Abortion Doctors,” is another good book.

The Bible apparently said “Love thy neighbor” but you’re saying I’ll only love those that share in my beliefs and everyone else is an enemy till they bend to my faith. Isn’t that what they did to Jesus?

I need to “Love thy neighbor” period, or else I might end up in hell. For this reason and others, I will not develop a hatred for you or anyone else that disagrees with me.

 

[gregmac19]

And your solution is to force an already traumatized/scarred girl/woman to carry it to term as a constant reminder for the rest of her life?
She needs therapy and discussions with her family and her doctor and she should be the one make the ultimate call as she’d be the one to live it. Not up to you to choose what’s right for someone else. Not very freedom of choice as written by our founding fathers.
And abortion isn’t wrong. You think it’s wrong but it isn’t.
Forcing someone to get an abortion is. Providing them an option isn’t.

An excerpt from the book, “What to Say When 2: Your Proven Guide in the New Abortion Landscape - How to Discuss, Clarify, and Question Abortion in a Hostile Culture”:

Hundreds of students - half pro-life and half pro-choice - poured into a packed college lecture hall to hear two women who had been raped speak. One had an abortion, and one gave her baby up for adoption. Each shared the horrific experience of rape. Each shared the experience of considering abortion. And each explained the reason for her decision.

Both used logic without much emotion in sharing why they decided to have or not to have an abortion. Most students, even the pro-life students, understood why the rape victim who chose abortion did so. There was a spirit of compassion, not judgment, in the room.

The forum seemed to be wrapping up until the woman who chose abortion said, "Now many people encouraged me and supported me in my decision. They understood, and most women told me they would do the same if they were in my position. This is, after all, why we have legal abortion. But no one, including myself, ever considered what would happen after my abortion. No one ever considered that I would be adding an anniversary to my life."

The students homed in on the term anniversary.

We have worked with many victims of rape, and all of them remember the date of their rape. They all have an annual anniversary, a reminder of the horrible event. Similarly, we have met thousands of postabortive women, and almost all of them know the anniversary of their abortion.

The woman who was raped and chose abortion explained that she did not want her baby to remind her of her tragic rape. She wanted the rape in her past.

She passionately explained how the opposite happened. The rape and the abortion became two parallel traumas that feed off one another. She said that her rape anniversary reminded her of her abortion, and her abortion anniversary reminded her of the rape. She was fighting a double battle because of a decision that was supposed to help her move on from this horrific event but instead magnified her pain. Her testimony ended as she described encountering God and receiving the strength and grace to find hope and healing.

 

[cupcakes2000]

I need to “Love thy neighbor” period, or else I might end up in hell.

(Except if they need an abortion)

 

[cupcakes2000]

hear two women

(Who had the choice)

 

[gregmac19]

So your argument in support of the government taking away a woman's rights is that it used to be okay for that government to take away the freedom of a race? That seems rather selective. I'm actually pro-freedom for both.

No. My argument is that just as a slave’s right to liberty is greater than a person’s alleged right to own a slave, an unborn baby’s right to life is greater than a woman’s supposed right to an abortion. And to sit idly by why either slaves or unborn human beings are being denied their inalienable rights, is wrong.

 

[cupcakes2000]

No. My argument is that just as a slave’s right to liberty is greater than a person’s alleged right to own a slave, an unborn baby’s right to life is greater than a woman’s supposed right to an abortion. And to sit idly by why either slaves or unborn human beings are being denied their inalienable rights, is wrong.

Sounds great hey. I bet you feel fabulous believing it. Off to mythical heaven you go, regardless of what that leaves behind in the world we all live. At some point, what’s actually happening right in front of your face must take precedent over some promise of how your own life might be after you, you know, die.

 

[2761216]

he figured out what abortion is

All those years of education couldn’t tell him what an abortion actually was?
I’m starting to question his expertise here.

She passionately explained how the opposite happened. The rape and the abortion became two parallel traumas that feed off one another. She said that her rape anniversary reminded her of her abortion, and her abortion anniversary reminded her of the rape. She was fighting a double battle because of a decision that was supposed to help her move on from this horrific event but instead magnified her pain. Her testimony ended as she described encountering God and receiving the strength and grace to find hope and healing.

Very convenient of them to pick the two women who on the surface seem like two sides of a coin yet support their hidden agenda of anti-choice. I’m educated enough to know a bait-switch when I see one.

I need to “Love thy neighbor” period, or else I might end up in hell

Do you need to be scared into torture for eternity to be compassionate to your fellow citizens?
If you need a fictional book modified over thousands of years to tell you the do/s and don’t/s then you haven’t been using your gift of thinking.

 

[bgillander]

No. My argument is that just as a slave’s right to liberty is greater than a person’s alleged right to own a slave, an unborn baby’s right to life is greater than a woman’s supposed right to an abortion. And to sit idly by why either slaves or unborn human beings are being denied their inalienable rights, is wrong.

Cool. At least you aren't using the Bible to justify being a slaveholder, as was too common in the 1800s.

How Christian Slaveholders Used the Bible to Justify Slavery

Read an excerpt from 'The Great Stain: Witnessing American Slavery' by Noel Rae

time.com

How do you feel about the death penalty or medically assisted dying? Any lines drawn there?

 

[mudflap]

I would like to suggest that MacRumors posts something about a President, that post is inherently political, and political discussions should be allowed. Just a thought.

 

[bgillander]

I would like to suggest that MacRumors posts something about a President, that post is inherently political, and political discussions should be allowed. Just a thought.

Has that comment been in the internet buffer for 6 days? MacRumors changed this to "political post" rules a few hours after they posted it last Monday. Assumably they agree with you.

That said, pretty much everything is political these days, so it almost seems redundant. A president's passing used to be treated fairly non-politically in the past, with most people just paying their respects, if they had any, simply in respect for the person's service to country. Times have changed.

George Carlin's old joke about funerals ("Your approval curve goes way up, man.") might even be lost on anyone of a younger generation. Carlin himself quite likely would have enjoyed that fact, or at the very least found it funny.

 

[bgillander]

They have 85 years of resentment because that’s what their leaders have been filling their heads with. They teach their children to hate zionists starting in their UN-funded nursery schools.

I believe strongly in the UN, but it’s badly failed the Israeli people and the Palestinians as well. As an organization, they’ve caved into the wishes of the Arab and oil producing world, who want a scapegoat in the Mideast, and the scapegoat of every Arab nation is the Jews.

I fully agree that that kind of indoctrination is indeed horrible and should not be done by anyone.

Israeli students say they want to kill Arabs as teacher promotes hatred

Israeli students recorded in an undated video say they want to kill Arab children and think all Arabs will become slaves of Israel, answering provoking...

www.dailysabah.com

 

[Alameda]

I fully agree that that kind of indoctrination is indeed horrible and should not be done by anyone.

Israeli students say they want to kill Arabs as teacher promotes hatred

Israeli students recorded in an undated video say they want to kill Arab children and think all Arabs will become slaves of Israel, answering provoking...

www.dailysabah.com

I suggest you visit Israel. You’ll notice some things, like:
1) “Huh, that’s odd… the street signs are in both Hebrew and Arabic.”
2) Arabic… “Hey, there are Muslim Arabs all over the place here!” Several million, in fact. Even in the IDF.
3) “The Jews are easy to spot because they’re the white colonizers… hey, that Jewish person with the yarmulke looks just like an Arab… hey; wait a minute, most Jews in Israel are dark-skinned, Arab-looking middle easterners! How can that be?”
4) “Huh, there’s a gay couple over there holding hands in public. Yeah, I’m sure that happens in Iran every day.”

You’ll also see modern hospitals, biotech, and high tech firms. And amazing agriculture that figured out how to farm in deserts. All in a nation built by refugees.

Next, take a look at all of Israel’s neighbors. Egypt is by far the most liberal. But from 1954 to 2005, they had only three Presidents… Nasser, Sadat and Mubarak. Not quite exactly a democracy. But most of the remaining Arab nations are kingdoms, which is another word for dictatorship. In those nations, women are not free. Christians aren’t free and neither are Jews. FWIW, Jews have been forcibly expelled from. Early every Arab nation… and the UN isn’t holding votes demanding their right to return, or payment for their land, or calling those nations apartheid.

America and Israel were attacked by terrorists who plainly state that they want to globalize their intifada. They want global Muslim rule like the rule of Afghanistan and Iran, and they don’t care how many bombs it takes to get there. They do not think the same way that you do. If they are not fought, they will win and they will conquer Europe and the US. You can laugh and think it cannot happen here, but it can.