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I don’t see what the issue is and I wouldn’t call these strict terms.
Why should apple have to maintain ID records for all the states that want to use this feature.
And if the states don’t actively maintain this there’s the potential for fraud.
This seems like a totally reasonable set of guidelines to enable this. Apple is not a government agency and should not be responsible for the identity of all users who want to upload an ID to their wallet.

My chase card in my apple wallet is managed by chase. My Apple Card is managed by Goldman, my fandango movie tickets are managed by fandango.
 
Ok, I don't know the full details of this program, but from just reading the article this is not good. This is like turning upside down where a private company is imposing restrictions. It should be the government (representing the general public) that imposes standards.

I think what this means is that the US federal and state governments need to come up with a digital wallet standard.
Apple has to do it this way, otherwise for the uS alone there would be 50 different state versions plus a federal TSA one. (To get an idea how badly some things are implemented in the public sector just look at the US’s crap Covid vaccination card that has been easily counterfeited. Or how many states don’t have a vaccine database accessible by each citizen in it. Heck, there’s not even a reliable connection between federal recalls and the state dmv databases that ensure defective cars don’t get license renewals until they get the free repairs from the manufacturer.)

Apple is ensuring that states put skin in the game. Poor support at the state level could hurt Apple’s reputation if states jumped on board and then didn’t dedicate resources to the initiative and it didn’t just work.

Better that states who don’t want to go all in just sit in the sidelines until their citizens clamor for it.
 
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It seems inappropriate to me for any government (local or national) to want to go down this route with Apple.

Everyone involved ought to be working towards a standardised model that will work with any device. It doesn't seem equitable for a government to build a process around the devices of one manufacturer like this.
Apple is basing its system around a universal standard. What they do here is ensure that if they are dedicating staff to support a state, that the state does its part to make it a success.
 
The fact that Apple is setting terms gives me confidence that it will work properly and be safe. And if hiccups happen they will be remedied quickly.

Apples reputation rides on these working well. A laggard state could hurt apples reputation. It is best the laggards a self select out of participation at the start.
 
I hope California says "NO thanks, NOT interested !"
Exactly. This is what I predicted when ppl were saying "my state is usally way behind, i'm glad to see them rushing to embrace digital i.d.s"...those states signing up are the technologically backwards state governments that don't know what they are doing. California is not going to cede so much control to a corporation, even a homegrown one. I feel sorry for ppl in the flyover states whose lawmakers are jumping into something they don't understand.
 
Apple is free to set as onerous terms as it likes and states are free to reject Apple’s terms. I’m fine with both. Even if a digital ID were available in my state I’d still carry around a card. I don’t want to hand my phone to every doctors’ office, Best Buy (when I’m picking up my merchandise), …. Eeww
 
I think it’s common for states and the federal
government to contract these kinds of services out to private companies, and yep, it’s the taxpayer who foots the bill. Should government being privatizing these services? I would say no. Are we comfortable with one company owning all that data? With exclusionary practices to those not in the ecosystem? With unclear budget limits? No, i wouldn’t approve it. Maybe it should be put up for a vote, but the problem is systemic, apple is just taking advantage of a market opportunity.

I think you look at it completely wrong.

Apple is not privatizing this functionality, they are regulating the interface and backend support to ensure it works reliability. (The states will still control their databases and that’s where any scalable leaks are likely to come from.)
 
The company requires states to independently maintain the systems used to issue and service credentials, hire project managers to respond to Apple's inquiries, verify IDs, perform quality testing to ensure that digital IDs meet Apple's requirements, "prominently" market the feature, "proactively" offer digital IDs whenever a citizen gets a new or replacement card, and encourage state and federal government agencies to widely adopt digital IDs.

From this writing only, this seams to be a pretty standard requirement for such a system to work. Now, having said this I suppose the these states also support other kinds of digital Ids, in particular for other kinds of devices such as Android, Windows and others.

Where I live, we already have digital Ids and digital driver license. It is supported on iOS through an App.
 
Apple has to do it this way, otherwise for the uS alone there would be 50 different state versions plus a federal TSA one. (To get an idea how badly some things are implemented in the public sector just look at the US’s crap Covid vaccination card that has been easily counterfeited. Or how many states don’t have a vaccine database accessible by each citizen in it. Heck, there’s not even a reliable connection between federal recalls and the state dmv databases that ensure defective cars don’t get license renewals until they get the free repairs from the manufacturer.)

Apple is ensuring that states put skin in the game. Poor support at the state level could hurt Apple’s reputation if states jumped on board and then didn’t dedicate resources to the initiative and it didn’t just work.

Better that states who don’t want to go all in just sit in the sidelines until their citizens clamor for it.
The problem isn't apple "doing it this way"...it's that a corporation should not be doing this AT ALL! Government has a role, and corporations should not be involved. Of course, that doesn't stop shortsighted legislators from giving private companies control over red light cameras, public transit, prisons, bikeshare, etc. etc. And in every case, services to the public are of less value than what the corporation gains.
 
United States of Apple (USA for short).

King Tim Cook at the helm. Dictating how ID's work. Amazing. /s
 
I’d so add my ID to my phone if this comes to my state, might finally be able to ditch the wallet! Ugh, am I part of the problem?

Anyway, does anyone see any other developed nation agreeing to take on Apple’s costs to add this feature that benefits apple? Serious question
I suspect that you’ll still need to carry your physical card for quite some time. What if verification fails? Your device dies? It’s been known to happen. With all that said, believe me I’m ready to ditch my wallet too.
 
This will perhaps be an unpopular perspective, but If you actually read the text carefully, and then propose to yourself what the opposite would be, you wouldn’t want the opposite. This isn’t Apple “setting a standard” (see below; Apple is using an ISO standard, not their own), and this isn’t Apple taking control over state infrastructure (which I imagine nobody would want).

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Seriously, thank you for this brilliant response. This kind of "bigger picture" stuff is so important in things like this.

Hopefully MacRumours editorial staff could approach you about writing an "-subject- explained" article like they've done a lot of recently.
 
If these were actually implementation restrictions, that'd be one thing, but as convenient as I'd find this feature, I am SUPER not interested in paying for Apple marketing.
 
Yeah that’s fair. What’s not very fair is to also have the government of each state pay for everything with taxpayer money. Why soend taxpayer money on something that only benefits half the people? I doubt many states will go for this.

It seems inappropriate to me for any government (local or national) to want to go down this route with Apple.

Everyone involved ought to be working towards a standardised model that will work with any device. It doesn't seem equitable for a government to build a process around the devices of one manufacturer like this.

Read this post.

Post in thread 'Apple Imposing Strict Terms on U.S. States for Digital IDs in Wallet App'
https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...gital-ids-in-wallet-app.2323466/post-30613376
 
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This will perhaps be an unpopular perspective, but If you actually read the text carefully, and then propose to yourself what the opposite would be, you wouldn’t want the opposite. This isn’t Apple “setting a standard” (see below; Apple is using an ISO standard, not their own), and this isn’t Apple taking control over state infrastructure (which I imagine nobody would want).

Apple is, as someone pointed out above, making the wallet. They’re simply informing states of the work that goes into producing the actual ID that goes into the wallet, and making it clear Apple won’t help them in doing so. States are free to use the same digital ID on non-Apple devices (again, it’s an ISO standard), and they should do so only if they feel it benefits them and their taxpayers. If they don’t… fine.

A specific point:



This is actually a good thing. Ever seen the TV shows where you get a “free $10000 renovation” and it‘s done slipshod? Having the states own the finances means the states have control over the implementation. They can implement it in a way that facilitates cross-platform compatibility, for example. Ultimately, this doesn’t “benefit Apple,” in that Apple sees no incremental revenue for this feature; it “benefits taxpayers,” who’ll need to foot the bill. If a given state’s taxpayers don’t want the bill or the benefit, cool, their state doesn’t need to do it.

This won’t stay an iOS-only feature; there’s zero chance any government who stands up this infrastructure won’t deploy it as widely as possible. Android may not offer something similar today, but what Apple’s doing is based on a set of open standards—Google can add this into Android anytime they want.



The actual text doesn’t preclude states from offering this to non-Apple devices; it says that Apple will determine which Apple devices Apple supports digital IDs on.



Again, you’d want this. You don’t want someone else doing it.



Again… I’d think this is how you’d want it. “Apple‘s requirements” being, in this case, the standards that Apple has adopted and is using. You surely wouldn’t want Apple verifying IDs Or doing QA on the systems.



Yeah, I mean, maybe this is a bit much, but I can’t imagine states spending the money and not marketing it. Nevada DMV launched a mobile phone reservation service (which works quite well) and they’ve probably spent more marketing it than they did developing it, to get people to use it.



I kind of assume you’d want this if you were going to invest in a digital ID program. Maybe instead of seeing this as “Apple being restrictive,” you can choose to see it as, “Apple saying, ‘hey, only do this if you’re going to be serious about it, otherwise don’t bother.’”

And from above…



Poland is a single country; the 50 US states are much like individual countries in this regard. You cannot view the US as a “country” in many aspects—the Federal government, in some regards (including IDs) acts more as an EU. For example, the Federal government has guidelines on IDs like driver’s licenses, which states can choose to follow or not. For example, in Nevada it is entirely possible to get a Federally approved “Real ID” as well as a non-Real ID. Coordinating ID activities across 50 states is a huge lift.

Also from above…



They did, in the US. It’s called “Real ID.” And it still hasn’t been fully adopted. The Federal government is abysmal at coming up with standards, let alone technological ones. Apple is building these off digital ID standards that Apple itself does not own (although it participates in the working groups):



”ISO” is the International Standards Organization; Apple is not creating the standard, here.

And finally..



Having worked on a number of Federal technology projects, I can pretty much assure you this is the very last thing you want. But again, the standard here is not Apple’s. It’s an open spec from ISO. Google has participated in that same standard, just as Apple has.

You might consider the perspective of, “Hey, Apple will make this possible for you, but if you and your taxpayers want it, you’re going to have to pay for it. If you’re going to use our trademarks in your marketing, we want to review that. If you’re going to do this, you might as well promise to market it. Apple’s going to invest something in this [otherwise we wouldn’t need to be sending you inquiries to help get it working] but we want you to own this.”

Legal terminology can sometimes make things seem more evil than they actually are. That’s because legalese isn’t pure English; it’s a set of phrases that have been honed over time to help ensure everyone understands what they’re agreeing to. So just maybe consider that what Apple’s set up is perhaps mostly in the taxpayers’ best interests. They’re using an open standard, they’re forcing states to own the infrastructure and ID data, and they’re not letting states dash this off quickly or without careful planning. I’m surprised anyone would want something different.
This is a total 🎤⬇️

It clearly explains what is going on point by point. As another has said we need more posts like this calling out the poor editorial job the staff do here.
 
Ok, I don't know the full details of this program, but from just reading the article this is not good. This is like turning upside down where a private company is imposing restrictions. It should be the government (representing the general public) that imposes standards.

I think what this means is that the US federal and state governments need to come up with a digital wallet standard.

Well - I see it from the perspective of governments control ID’s and governments issue ID’s, but government designed digital ID’s could be problematic if they attempt to deploy such a thing on their own. Apple is best positioned to handle it with cooperation from government. Only Apple can do it. So they are doing it. Android cannot do it maybe? Why would that be so - figure it out I guess. This happens to be where Apple will really be showing off why they are plausibly the only company/device/OS/way to do this presently.

I think it’s great!

Be thankful you don’t get all the government you pay for!

Government ineptitude is the norm. It’s great for Apple to spell out what is required to make a working system.

I don’t want to get political but I think Obama had some kind of computer system for healthcare in USA and I heard rumors that “the Obamacare website was down” kinda thing. How many tax dollars did that cost? The Apple way has a chance to be a lot better for “ID’s” I’m betting.
 
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Just to be clear, this article is absolute garbage. Contracts like this exist to draw the lines between responsibilities of entities and are very standard. Note the author did not list any actual state powers, just a paraphrased bullet lists of potentially beneficial Apple terms. Which aren't really unusual.

Confidential documents seen by Mikula and CNBC purportedly reveal that Apple is imposing stringent terms and conditions on U.S. states looking to implement the new feature. The costs of meeting these requirements, such as hiring staff, project management, marketing, and funding, will be charged to the taxpayer with no financial support from Apple.
Shocker. This is not an Apple-specific system; other wallets are also looking to support the drivers licenses, and Google already has code in Android and an open-source project to support it. The format is an international standard.

The company requires states to independently maintain the systems used to issue and service credentials, hire project managers to respond to Apple's inquiries, verify IDs, perform quality testing to ensure that digital IDs meet Apple's requirements, "prominently" market the feature, "proactively" offer digital IDs whenever a citizen gets a new or replacement card, and encourage state and federal government agencies to widely adopt digital IDs.

Why would Apple take on any financial costs of maintaining a state DMV system? In what reality would it be a good idea for Apple to host citizen's private data? Why would Apple be expected to verify identities when the states are the one who would have to live with them getting it wrong?

The author hides these vague conditions behind the confidentiality of the documents. For example, "ensure that digital IDs meet Apple's requirements" may mean simply "actually work and adhere to the international standard". Annoyingly, the author did not publish the actual contracts, even though they are now public record.

This is also meant to be a partnership for roll-out. If the states are not coordinating on marketing, why would Apple be investing time on their side? They'll take whatever Apple employees are working with the state off the project and have them work with states that are enthusiastic.

Apple has "sole discretion" for a number of the program's key aspects, including what devices will be compatible with digital IDs, how states report on the performance of the feature, and its launch date. Apple is also insisting upon the ability to review and approve all state marketing for the feature.
AKA "Apple will explain what hardware and OS versions are compatible to users".

With the lack of actual information and just the author's word, "approve all state marketing" may mean they don't give the states carte blanc to use Apple's trademarks like "Apple Wallet".

These terms were apparently included in a seven-page memorandum of agreement that was signed by Georgia, Arizona, Kentucky, and Oklahoma. According to CNBC, the agreement "mostly portrays Apple as having a high degree of control over the government agencies responsible for issuing identification cards."
Governments want to roll this out, and Apple set up an agreement for joint development which specifies which parts Apple and the state are responsible for. It's not a confidential document (the author requested the document from the state, it wasn't "leaked"), and 7 pages is honestly not big for something like this.
 
I’d so add my ID to my phone if this comes to my state, might finally be able to ditch the wallet! Ugh, am I part of the problem?
What problem? The article was baiting nonsense.
Anyway, does anyone see any other developed nation agreeing to take on Apple’s costs to add this feature that benefits apple? Serious question
It is an international standard that many vendors (including Apple and Google) have worked on. Apple is partnering with states and with TSA for accelerated roll-out.

I'd be much more concerned if Apple was offering to take on hosting of private citizen credentials.
 
It’s not because taxes would go up. The complaints are there because money is being spent on something that will only benefit half of the population, the half who own iphones. Also why do states have to pay when apple has a lot more money, it’s loaded (I doubt any single state has $2 trillion).

It may benefit half now but you can bet money Google is going to do something similar with Android. It's good to move away from old ways of doing things like physical ID cards that can get lost/stolen and moving to something digital.

And why on earth would Apple pay for this? It's just a solution they're offering, the states are the buyers so to speak.
 
Ok, I don't know the full details of this program, but from just reading the article this is not good. This is like turning upside down where a private company is imposing restrictions. It should be the government (representing the general public) that imposes standards.

I think what this means is that the US federal and state governments need to come up with a digital wallet standard.
The Apple system is a standard they are trying to produce it’s up to the other guys to play ball.

Maybe if the government cares about our personal information Apple wouldn’t have to do this. How many states have had their worthless IT infrastructure compromised? Who has been affected by breaches in the big three for credit reporting? Yup government is doing a real bang up job implementing systems as cheap as possible. If the government put out a Digital ID app it would be trash.

We are the only developed country without digital vaccination cards with a few exceptions of private entities/states providing because the government is clueless when it comes to technology. It’s also all about money not what should be done.
 
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