seriously man, shut up. you're complaining for the sake of complaining. stop it.
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Apple in Mobile Music Negotiations... for WWDC?
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seriously man, shut up. you're complaining for the sake of complaining. stop it.
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I hope they are able to strike the deal and allow for music downloads over cellular networks. That would be great.
I hope they are able to strike the deal and allow for music downloads over cellular networks. That would be great.
Really, the answer is simple. Big Music are a pack of ravenous pigs who will do anything to anyone to get more money out of your pocket. I mean, I'm all for capitalism and all that.. but the naked greed you can see coming off these corporate slugs make me feel sick.
I hope the free market is able to move past them as soon as possible.
Sometimes it's amazing how people are willing to pay for crap like answer tones...
I'm quilty of this....
Of course, I've had answer tones on my iPhone since Nov or Dec. Managing them in iTunes would be better. I only have them for a few of my closest friends and family. Just funny for them to hear once or twice... I all but forgot about them until now.
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The record companies better think again about charging more for something over cellular that is exactly the same as over wifi or connected to the wall, it's the same damn song, if anyone should be asking for more money it's the cellular network because of the increased bandwidth burden.
And as for answer tones, that's to do with the network back-end isn't it. I don't see how downloading it from iTunes will get it to your network providers servers.
And as for answer tones, that's to do with the network back-end isn't it. I don't see how downloading it from iTunes will get it to your network providers servers.
The thought of hearing someone's poor taste in music blurt in my ear is disarming. Even soft sounds may confuse the caller into thinking he is on hold before the caller answers. Let's hope the current monthly fee and eventual expiration of Answer Tones will suppress popularity.
When it comes to ringtones, although I dislike most, there are advantages to knowing who is phoning by the sound of the ring. Unfortunately, most people do not give consideration to general appeal since they are audible to the public.
While I'm sure the music labels dictate the method of transmission as part of their music distribution deals; the real bottle neck in music over the air is the wireless carriers. ATT, Verizon, T-Mobile, Sprint...they all command revenue shares on every piece of content sold over their network. Every time you buy a ringtone from Jamster or one of those companies, half of the sale usually goes to the carrier, and Jamster makes a fractional amount that's barely worth the effort (Granted they continue to do so because they still make money in volume; however it's not a clear pass through in profit.) Just to give you an idea of the absurdness of it all: Imagine you use Comcast as your internet provider, and you go online and order a pizza from dominos. When you get the pizza, the delivery guy only charges you $5, but on your Comcast bill at the end of the month, you have a charge of $6 for your pizza delivery because you used Comcast's network to place the order; therefore, they claim a commission.
Ridiculous! Make no mistake, Apple's fight to get OTA downloads via the iPhone is probably with AT&T. (Also keep in mind that downloading 3MB file over EDGE while in a moving vehicle is nearly impossible. Now that 3G is on it's way, OTA is more likely.)
Ridiculous! Make no mistake, Apple's fight to get OTA downloads via the iPhone is probably with AT&T. (Also keep in mind that downloading 3MB file over EDGE while in a moving vehicle is nearly impossible. Now that 3G is on it's way, OTA is more likely.)
I'm not entirely sure that the music industry necessarily wants more money for cellphone transactions.
What I think is more likely is that the carrier wants a good sized chunk too. So if the music industry wants 70% of the sale price (70c of a 99c music purchase), and the carrier wants 30-40c per song, there wouldnt be any money left over for Apple. So the price has to go up, and we see $1.99 prices - 1.40 for the music industry, 29c for the wireless carrier and 30c for Apple.
What I think is more likely is that the carrier wants a good sized chunk too. So if the music industry wants 70% of the sale price (70c of a 99c music purchase), and the carrier wants 30-40c per song, there wouldnt be any money left over for Apple. So the price has to go up, and we see $1.99 prices - 1.40 for the music industry, 29c for the wireless carrier and 30c for Apple.
You're right but it is not really an issue with just Big Music. Every company wants to control its product's market. For example, the same product is sold around the world always at different prices.
It is never about how much something cost to make, it's about what price the market can bear.
For example, luckily the U.S has some of the cheapest prices for a lot of products because the average U.S consumer is not willing to pay more. Meanwhile, more profit is made from sales in other countries.
The same is true for Apple who price their products ridiculously in some markets.
So while I don't like what Big Music are asking for, and I will actually never pay their stupid prices for such a service, it is not such an unusual business approach.
I confess that I hadn't thought about the carriers being the source of the extra fees, although I agree it is the most likely. This seems to be another issue regarding consumers wanting internet services to be treated like utilities, and the services companies wanting to be treated the way they want to be treated.
If I am paying per kilobyte for data downloads to my phone, I cannot accept the idea that I must pay extra for certain types of data. Bits are bits, and it doesn't cost AT&T (or 02 or Optus, or Vodafone etc. etc.) more to transfer some particular bits to my phone just because they come from the iTunes music store.
In fact, by the provider charging more for particular data, and therefore knowing what I am downloading, and when, you could perhaps stretch the argument to being one about privacy.
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Answer tones have been around for a while, folks. I don't have a clue how they work, but they are a fact. Why the heck would you even doubt something like that? Because you can't figure it out you think that Apple and AT&T can't either?
If you don't believe me get access to Google's GrandCentral or make some calls to Japan. Or call people in the US where it is also available on some cell phones.
The thing that people have hit on though, they are annoying. It's like being put on hold right away a fed some one's annoying taste in music.
Yeah, my cellular provider has them also. It's not such a big deal, but I guess there's a market for them. I have yet to encounter any myself.
you guys really need to get a life if ringtones piss you off this much id hate to see how normaly things annoy you good lord
I use the iTunes store right now when on Wifi and think it would be great to use it over a 3G connection. A lot of times I am trying to remember a song and love pulling up the iTunes store and browsing for that song in my head but a lot of times I want to do this I am not on a Wifi connection.
For me it's not the content of a ringtone (whether it's a song or more traditional) that is annoying, it's the volume.
Answer tones? The first of my friends to get this "feature" where when I call I get to hear some snippet of a song they've chosen, they will be getting nothing but txt messages, some of which will simply be "call me".
I'm not going to say Apple shouldn't do it, I just hope no one uses it.
I'm not going to say Apple shouldn't do it, I just hope no one uses it.
No. I am not annoyed. I like the variety of ringtones because when I hear them I know it's not my phone.
For me, when I am walking with my headset and listening to music I can tell (I have a different song for every important person in my life) who is calling without looking at my iPhone.
When I am in public I turn my ringer way down and use vibrate. I don't want to hear anyone else's phone ringing in public no matter what type of ringtone it is.
When I am in public I turn my ringer way down and use vibrate. I don't want to hear anyone else's phone ringing in public no matter what type of ringtone it is.
Thats what the whole net neutrality debate is all about. ISPs (in this case, the wireless carrier) charging more for certain types of traffic. Downloading a song, movie, etc? Since the ISP knows its desirable, then charge a little bit extra for the transport of those bits. Its why AT&T head Ed Whitacre said in late 2005...
This firing off the whole net neutrality debate.
I can't envision the pressing need to download songs directly to my iPhone.
Could someone please explain for me the scenario by which I really need this capability? I seriously don't get it.
I'm somewhere away from my computer (i.e. iTunes) and I hear a song that I just HAVE to have. I apparently didn't hear it on my iPhone, despite that's where most of my content comes from. Instead of just jotting down or noting the name of the song and artist and downloading it when I get home, I just HAVE to have it RIGHT NOW (despite the fact that I JUST HEARD IT.)
Why does this feel like a feature aimed at 9 year olds who just HAVE to hear that song 10 times in a row?
Seriously don't get this.
Could someone please explain for me the scenario by which I really need this capability? I seriously don't get it.
I'm somewhere away from my computer (i.e. iTunes) and I hear a song that I just HAVE to have. I apparently didn't hear it on my iPhone, despite that's where most of my content comes from. Instead of just jotting down or noting the name of the song and artist and downloading it when I get home, I just HAVE to have it RIGHT NOW (despite the fact that I JUST HEARD IT.)
Why does this feel like a feature aimed at 9 year olds who just HAVE to hear that song 10 times in a row?
Seriously don't get this.
"Answer tones" are by far the most annoying thing on the planet. I have a few friends of mine that I won't call their cell because of it. Most people who use these features have strange tastes in music, and end up having something that gives me a headache.
Actually, there is 1 thing that is more annoying then "answer tones". Those people who seem to think I am intrested in their conversation, so they make sure everyone in the room can hear it. Yes, I am talking about Nextel users. Not the contractor types ... but the people who are talking about lasts nights game so everyone can hear it. I have witnessed people who have long 10 minute conversations over the Nextel after the plane has landed. The best part is, the conversations are pointless.
Actually, there is 1 thing that is more annoying then "answer tones". Those people who seem to think I am intrested in their conversation, so they make sure everyone in the room can hear it. Yes, I am talking about Nextel users. Not the contractor types ... but the people who are talking about lasts nights game so everyone can hear it. I have witnessed people who have long 10 minute conversations over the Nextel after the plane has landed. The best part is, the conversations are pointless.
I use ring tones that I can hear but others don't notice. My favorite sounds like a pencil falling off a desk and rattling. I hear it immediately and no one else even notices it. I've even had it go off in quiet concert settings accidentally and no one noticed.
There's NOTHING I hate more (well, there is, but I'll stay apolitical... bush...cough...bush) than morons who think I really need to hear 15 seconds of some pop or rap piece of crap whenever their phone goes off.
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It's funny to see this article today as I had never heard of Answer Tones until reading this, but I experienced it for the first time last night:
I called a new friend I had never called before and instead of her phone ringing, it immediately started playing music (really, really bad music) so I assumed it just went straight to voice mail, so I hung up (because I didn't want to leave a message) and called back and it went right to the bad music again. So this time I waited (again, assuming it was going to voicemail) to leave a message and after about what seemed a full minute, she answered! I was very confused. I told her that her phone didn't ring it just went straight to some music and she said "oh, that IS my ring!" That REALLY annoyed me. I won't be calling her again.