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Apple Inc and Apple Corps Form New Trademark Agreement
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Beatles get big bucks from Apple Inc.
Despite your opinions, it makes sense for Apple Inc to pay Apple Corp. since the Beatles Apple did have the record label exclusive rights:
From Forbes:
Industry analysts said a resolution on putting The Beatles' music online is likely already in the works.
"It goes from impossible to a lock that it's going to happen - it's a function of time at this point," said Gene Munster, senior research analyst with investment bank Piper Jaffray & Co. "I bet they move pretty fast. For Apple, it was critical that they got this taken care of."
Jaffray estimates that Apple Inc. paid The Beatles $50 million to $100 million for the rights to the Apple name. That would come on top of more than $26.5 million Apple paid to settle past disputes with Apple Corps.
Despite your opinions, it makes sense for Apple Inc to pay Apple Corp. since the Beatles Apple did have the record label exclusive rights:
From Forbes:
Industry analysts said a resolution on putting The Beatles' music online is likely already in the works.
"It goes from impossible to a lock that it's going to happen - it's a function of time at this point," said Gene Munster, senior research analyst with investment bank Piper Jaffray & Co. "I bet they move pretty fast. For Apple, it was critical that they got this taken care of."
Jaffray estimates that Apple Inc. paid The Beatles $50 million to $100 million for the rights to the Apple name. That would come on top of more than $26.5 million Apple paid to settle past disputes with Apple Corps.
Check the dictionary...
I didn't see MacRumors wishing me Happy Holidays. They said the Zune phone was going to be released for 'Holiday 2007.' I looked up holiday, and found no reference to this imaginary thing.
I have heard of Christmas, Thanksgiving, and New Years. Last I heard, those three are all SEPARATE and DISTINCT holidays. I've even heard of The Fourth Quarter! Maybe MacRumors hasn't? (And FYI, Thanksgiving is a USA holiday.) Some diversity-mongers treat MLK as a major holiday, with church services, songs, and singing; is it part of 'Holiday?' Why or why not?
There are holidays all throughout the year, so it is a little dumb to try and name something 'Holiday' or 'the holidays,' unless you're a Jew referencing the High Holy Days.
update: I did find an entry for 'the holidays:' The holidays, any fixed or usual period for relaxation or festivity; especially, Christmas and New Year's day with the intervening time. http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/the holidays
So, still no such thing as 'Holiday 2007,' and if you say 'the holidays' you mean the dates from Dec 25 to Jan 1.
I didn't see MacRumors wishing me Happy Holidays. They said the Zune phone was going to be released for 'Holiday 2007.' I looked up holiday, and found no reference to this imaginary thing.
I have heard of Christmas, Thanksgiving, and New Years. Last I heard, those three are all SEPARATE and DISTINCT holidays. I've even heard of The Fourth Quarter! Maybe MacRumors hasn't? (And FYI, Thanksgiving is a USA holiday.) Some diversity-mongers treat MLK as a major holiday, with church services, songs, and singing; is it part of 'Holiday?' Why or why not?
There are holidays all throughout the year, so it is a little dumb to try and name something 'Holiday' or 'the holidays,' unless you're a Jew referencing the High Holy Days.
update: I did find an entry for 'the holidays:' The holidays, any fixed or usual period for relaxation or festivity; especially, Christmas and New Year's day with the intervening time. http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/the holidays
So, still no such thing as 'Holiday 2007,' and if you say 'the holidays' you mean the dates from Dec 25 to Jan 1.
This reminds me of an article I once read on F1 racing drivers' taste in music - Phil Collins crept up a worrying number of times...
You ever been to a Major League Baseball game? The snippets of music that are played as each batter walks up to take his turn at bat are truly disturbing.
I love baseball, but I hate the majority of players' choice in music.
(And yes, the players do get to choose what music is played as they step up to bat.)
All that means is in time for the 2007 holiday season. They were not referring to Martin Luther King Day, nor to Valentine's Day, nor to any other holiday between now and November. It's common knowledge; I'm not making this up.
Yeah, and your point? Most news sources, as well as Microsoft and Apple, are American companies.
Does it fall between Thanksgiving and New Year's? No. When you make "holiday" a proper noun, it refers to the American Winter Holiday season.
Well, you can take that up with the board of directors for the English language. You might have some trouble finding them, because they don't exist.
No! Any time between November and the end of the year falls into the holiday season.
just a thought.... when did this thread become about the proper use of "Holiday", "Holidays", "Holiday 2007" etc.? Who cares!!! The Beatles will be on iTunes when Apple (both of them) want them to.
I would LOVE to spend $80CAN on a few Beatles (I almost spelt it wrong hehe - I'm not a Beatles fan ... I wasn't even a twinkle in Dad's eye then he was barely a teenager/tweenie) > but I can appreciate great music no matter the genre (Country is an exception with only The Gambler - Kenny R).
Special Edition Beatles iPod now THAT would be special .... how about a Yellow Submarine? Nah.
Special Edition Beatles iPod now THAT would be special .... how about a Yellow Submarine? Nah.
I would LOVE to spend $80CAN on a few Beatles (I almost spelt it wrong hehe - I'm not a Beatles fan ... I wasn't even a twinkle in Dad's eye then he was barely a teenager/tweenie) > but I can appreciate great music no matter the genre (Country is an exception with only The Gambler - Kenny R).
Special Edition Beatles iPod now THAT would be special .... how about a Yellow Submarine? Nah.
The moment it were available in Switzerland, I would definitely buy the complete collection of the Beatles...it would be my first iTMS purchase, and it's worth it.
Far better to buy them on CD - the sound quality is superior and you'll have 'hard copies' to keep.
Yep, but convenience screams here...I would need to buy lotsa CDs to get a full collection...unless there is a box set available somewhere...
True, not sure if a full box set is available, and I doubt Apple will release the complete catalogue as a package. But do you really want everything the Beatles did? A 'best of' is a good starting point.
Actually I grew up listening to them (via my uncles), so I pretty much like all their musical phases (since the very beginning with Pete Best, up to the LSD and studio years)..."best of" sets are kinda boring, in fact, as they comprise none of the hidden gems from wonderful albums such as Abbey Road, MMT and White Album...a full set would be great to relive those good times
Actually I grew up listening to them (via my uncles), so I pretty much like all their musical phases (since the very beginning with Pete Best, up to the LSD and studio years)..."best of" sets are kinda boring, in fact, as they comprise none of the hidden gems from wonderful albums such as Abbey Road, MMT and White Album...a full set would be great to relive those good times
Ah, ok, in that case a best of album is not the way to go. I agree that you can't beat the original albums if you're really into a band. Best ofs are a good introduction or handy if you just want a few tracks.
True. Even though I'd prefer to get the remixed and remastered CDs, just possibly if iTunes started selling lossless format files then I'd get the new mixes from iTunes. They did a small set of remixed songs when they released the 'Yellow Submarine' film on DVD, and much as I love the 1960s-singer-in-one-speaker-band-in-the-other-speaker approach of the original mixes, the new ones are easier to listen to on headphones!
But on the other hand, someone seems to have an axe to grind...
Hardly any need to comment really - so many stereotypes of all that's wrong with Americans demonstrated in one post
(I suppose "most news sources" won't be reporting this then http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/6333853.stm )
True. Even though I'd prefer to get the remixed and remastered CDs, just possibly if iTunes started selling lossless format files then I'd get the new mixes from iTunes. They did a small set of remixed songs when they released the 'Yellow Submarine' film on DVD, and much as I love the 1960s-singer-in-one-speaker-band-in-the-other-speaker approach of the original mixes, the new ones are easier to listen to on headphones!
But on the other hand, someone seems to have an axe to grind...
Hardly any need to comment really - so many stereotypes of all that's wrong with Americans demonstrated in one post
(I suppose "most news sources" won't be reporting this then http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/6333853.stm )
No, that's only from the world's largest and most respected news source (the BBC, not the Sun!)
It's bigger than that. Apple could now have any artist as a special edition iPod. The U2 one came with a download voucer for the trackes, they were not allowed to preload the music due to this ongoing legal batle with Apple Corps, it can be different now. As long as they had the deal with the music company who 'owned' the artist, they can do what they like.
MS sell Zun's with some free tracks on, as they don't have any restrictions, now Apple can do the same. You could have specially coloured shuffles loaded with an artists hits, or a themed compilation, the Beatles entire back catalogue could be pout onto an iPod uncompressed, maybe with some videos too.
Then you can move onto any other artist, theming the iPod and the content. As the tech gets cheaper you could go into a music store/supermarket and pick up a shuffle preloaded with your favourite music and not have too much of a hole in your wallet. I think it opens up a new market for Apple, or certainly massively expands an existing one.
Interesting idea - but would that mean there would have to be some official way of copying music from ipods to your iTunes library?
It has nothing to do with stereotypes. They are American companies, reported on by American news sources, and readers should all know what "Holidays 2007" means (they certainly do in Canada, the UK [London, Sussex, and Manchester, where I've spent time], Australia, Brazil, and Germany), because it's an American phrase--which, gasp!, American companies would use in their releases and statements, since it's the language spoken here.Hardly any need to comment really - so many stereotypes of all that's wrong with Americans demonstrated in one post
Complaining about it is about as useful as Americans whining about "colour" and "bullocks" and "bloody" in British texts.
I think if you asked most English people what 'Holidays 2007' meant they'd immediately think of summer holidays (vacation to Americans).
I'm envisioning my music shelves filled with multicolored Shuffles instead of CDs. Of course, the Shuffles would take up a quarter of the space or less. If the Shuffles could be sold for a low enough price, and I imagine someday they (or something like them) will, it would be pretty cool.
Stating that "Most news sources are American companies" is clearly wrong - think about it would you choose the BBC or some American cable-TV news company? It merely confirms the stereotype that Americans can't see beyond their own country. You're just going to have to face it that the phrase "Holidays 2007" has no meaning across the pond: if it has any meaning at all for British people it's summer holidays, not some sales period based on things such as "Thanksgiving" which again mean nothing over here. Now let's just stop arguing!
"bullocks"
But then I'm not expecting you to know when you're talking bollocks. Unlike you, I'm not saying what "readers should all know".
Most news sources reporting on Apple are American: MacRumors, PC Magazine, Slashdot, Engadget, Ars Technica, Macosxrumors, ThinkSecret, CNet...all of these are US-based. Reports coming from the United States would be written in American English, just as one might logically expect.
There are plenty of reputable international news sources, but when you're reading an American technology news source reporting on an American company, expect to hear American terminology. It's as simple as that. There's no anti-UK (or anti-anywhere else) sentiment behind it.
I have lived in five different countries and represented dozens of non-American clients, and I find it both offensive and baseless to argue about American stereotypes, which you've decided to run with for no apparent reason. Moral of the story: don't read American news sources, misunderstand the language, then refuse to accept the explanation when it's offered, and finally claim that your own misunderstanding makes the people who offered nothing but an explanation somehow bigoted.
Let's call a truce, really. This silly argument started with your post, number 108 in this thread, which was quite aggressive in tone in reply to Amdahl's earlier post about the phrase "Holiday 2007". If you re-read it you'll find such aggressive phrases as "Yeah, and your point?" "No!" and so on: some people may find that offensive, and - dare I say it - confirming the stereotype (i.e. by definition not true in all cases) that Americans try to win arguments by shouting louder than the other person. It's not really "offering nothing but an explanation", more ramming it down the other person's throat.
Of course the websites you list are American - but you didn't originally say "news sources reporting on Apple" - perhaps you should be careful of your own written expression before accusing other people of misunderstanding things.
Finally, your statement that "When you make "holiday" a proper noun, it refers to the American Winter Holiday season" clearly needs a little qualification, don't you think? Are you telling Amdahl that if he (or anyone around the world) uses "holiday" as a proper noun it has that very restricted meaning? Here's a website with the term Holiday 2007, that doesn't seem to be using it in your prescribed manner: http://www.bbc.co.uk/holiday/ So, just be careful to be clear. If you were really trying to offer explanations to Amdahl, rather than belittle him, you would have written "In American English, "holiday" is often taken to refer to the American Winter Holiday season".
Now, what implications do you think the new Trademark Agreement will have for Apple Inc? Will we see Apple bypassing the traditional record companies and allowing musicians to take a larger percentage of the profits from their music?