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I would be in the same boat. I use a Mac Mini hooked up via a DisplayPort-to-VGA-Adapter to a projector in my basement.

Actually, the MacMini shipped with aDVI port rather than DisplayPort. Unless, you modified your MacMini to have a DisplayPort instead.

I owned a MacMini also, so I know that its a DVI port rather than DisplayPort
 
What do you mean go back?



It doesn't. In fact, it encourages it. If I spend money on content, I want to do whatever I want with it. No matter it be playing it on a projector or TV or Computer. If I paid for it, I will do what I want with it.

This is why people download illegally movies, CDs and software.
No the reason people download illegal mvoies, cd, and software is because they don't want to pay for it.
 
No the reason people download illegal mvoies, cd, and software is because they don't want to pay for it.

But the iTunes store proved that if you price the content cheaply enough, they will want to pay for it. It's legal, and the downloads are faster and safer than using other methods.

But add too many restrictions, and they'll go right back to downloading it illegally.
 
I have switched my world to Macs since 2003.
If this is actually true, I will surely be shopping for a PC and put Ubuntu on it.
Last time I tried linux, it was already pretty close to my "minimum usability standards".

Sad news.
 
Welcome to the Apple bag of hurt.

Just cooler than any other bags, yep, like Sony's.

</sarcasm>
 
Really, this is just dumb stuff, DRM is a pain and should be eliminated, if I buy something, I should be able to do what I want with it, so long as that isn't giving it to a friend or selling it.
 
No the reason people download illegal mvoies, cd, and software is because they don't want to pay for it.

People download illegal products for a multitude of reasons - trying to weed it down to a single reason is silly. The fact that they're free is certainly a big part of it, but you'd be remiss in claiming that the increasingly stronger chokehold that content producers are exercising on their customers through DRM has nothing to do with it. For me, at least, the scenario of buying content to support the studio (if its something I'm buying I'm going to want them to make more of it, after all) and then downloading or somehow producing a copy of it with the DRM stripped is much more likely than simply living with the DRM.

Oh, and I could easily get all the music I want for free off of <name-your-sharing-method-here>, but the $.99 songs off the iTunes store are priced low enough where I'd rather buy my music and support the artists than just download it for free. Your claim kind of falls apart there - given good products at reasonable prices that don't ridiculously restrict your usage of the product after you've already bought it, people WILL pay for media.
 
Everyone's voting this negative, which is to be expected, but it's not like Apple invented HDCP. It's not really their choice.

Exactly.

Apple is pretty much forced into this because of greedy movie studios and such. If they won't release their movies in a form that doesn't require HDCP (and other forms of DRM for that matter), then what is Apple supposed to do? Not sell their movies and lose customers to other services?

I'm voting this negative but not because I'm blaming Apple, but because I'm blaming the studios that put DRM on the content.
 
HDCP is not an "option" on set-top Blu-Ray players, it's required, even if it's your own home movies burned on a Blu-Ray disc. If you connect to a non-HDCP display, then your own home movies burned on a Blu-Ray with Toast will be output on a lower resolution signal.

Well, if that's what it did here, I wouldn't have so much of an issue with it. But here it seems that it's denying output altogether. Not good.

As for the impact of this. I don't really see it being a big deal. How often would you connect up a projector to watch a movie like this?

As to the impact, I have a MacMini hooked up to a projector as my TV at home. If I ever felt the desire to upgrade to a newer computer now, I'd face the possibility of the system not working properly. So, yes, I see this as being a BIG issue.
 
No the reason people download illegal mvoies, cd, and software is because they don't want to pay for it.

Yea.. that is exactly what he is saying.. If I will not be able to do whatever I want with the content I payed for, I will no longer pay for it, period.

Anyways.. Welcome to the world of DRM.. This is way soooo sad.. :(:mad:
 
so basically the only way to watch itunes movies on my television is to buy an apple tv?

way to go apple.

AppleTV has always had hdcp protection so these same movies would fail to play on your appletv.


The story here isn't that Apple's implementation of display port on the new mac laptops and hdmi on the AppleTV honor hdcp, since Apple has little choice over the matter, but rather that Apple is allowing media companies to use the HDCP flag on content in Apple's store. To make matters worse Apple is not warning customers that content purchased from their store is crippled in this way.
 
silly

The stupid part about this whole thing to me is, what is stopping people who rip content from building a hardware system with HDCP incorporated into the device? Seems like anyone could rip the components out of a computer or a monitor, or get cheap knock off chips from China. With the components available one could easily have a ripping machine.

There is no way to stop totally stop copy protection as long as the content is actually able to be viewed or listened to.
 
No the reason people download illegal mvoies, cd, and software is because they don't want to pay for it.

Or don't want to pay to not be allowed to do what they want with it.

If I break this encryption that allows HDCP to work, I will be able to play content I legally downloaded. The problem is that I'm breaking the DMCA law. That is one law I will break without a second thought.

I am willing to be that 25-40% of people who download content illegally do so because they want more freedom than DRM allows. (Note, I have no hard facts. An inkling, if you will.)
 
But the iTunes store proved that if you price the content cheaply enough, they will want to pay for it. It's legal, and the downloads are faster and safer than using other methods.

But add too many restrictions, and they'll go right back to downloading it illegally.
Right and mot of the songs on itunes already come with restrictions but yet more and more people keep buying.
 
So how does it deter piracy to deny playback on non-HDCP displays?

The industry answer is "closing the analog hole". For example, plugging your DVD player into a VHS recorder and taping the movie would fail because the DVD player would sense that it wasn't plugged into an HDCP display and refuse to play.

Of course, that is not only a restriction of fair use, but screws over anyone with actual displays that happen to be from before HDCP was implemented (I'm pretty sure there's still TVs sold without it). A friend of mine had to buy a crappy old DVD player because his Xbox 360 refused to play movies on his 60" rear-projection TV.

I'm already in the habit of ripping/copying the few DVDs I own before I ever watch them, thanks to the unskippable trailers and other "features" studios have added to the discs over the years. HDCP is just their latest salvo in ensuring that people who pirate movies will always be way better off than people who try to pay them money.

It's very much like how pirated Windows (which typically remove things like Activation, and the continuous Genuine Advantage background checks) is so much easier to deal with than the retail versions. I recently bought a new motherboard and processor for my PC desktop and was forced to call Microsoft and beg them for a new activation code because my fully-paid-for Windows wasn't happy. I wish I had just downloaded it.

It's a really smooth business move, as you can tell.
 
Exactly.

Apple is pretty much forced into this because of greedy movie studios and such. If they won't release their movies in a form that doesn't require HDCP (and other forms of DRM for that matter), then what is Apple supposed to do? Not sell their movies and lose customers to other services?

I'm voting this negative but not because I'm blaming Apple, but because I'm blaming the studios that put DRM on the content.

I understand that, but the older macs that do not have mini displayport do not support HDCP.....and yet can play the drm'ed movies from iTunes.
 
Wow - let me get this right. Apple is currently NOT shipping a monitor that can play content from their own laptop. SHOCKING and sad. :(

Learn to read. Is Apple shipping Sanyo projectors? No. The Apple 24" LED display is probably HDCP compatible, and it will be shipping soon.

More like "Full of FAIL."
Maybe you should take your own advice. As of right now the 24" LED is NOT shipping.


Lethal
 
I don't find it funny. I regularly showed movies during lunch for my kids when I was in the classroom (hoping to go back someday - if only teachers were paid more money...). And, hey, HB2 is a good, fun movie.

As to the impact, I have a MacMini hooked up to a projector as my TV at home. If I ever felt the desire to upgrade to a newer computer now, I'd face the possibility of the system not working properly. So, yes, I see this as being a BIG issue.

To each their own for a sense of humor. As for Hellboy 2, it did not live up what I had hoped for. Guillermo del Toro didn't do nearly as well with this film, but I still enjoyed it. Anyway, we are getting off topic.

My comment is not about saying you are wrong with your concern, but I would say to two things.

1. Apple probably didn't have a choice.

2. Apple really wants people like you to purchase the Apple TV.
 
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