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You completely ignore how contracts work in the real world. They change, get ammended, have exit clauses, etc...

It's not black and white. Signing a 5 year agreement does not always result in 5 actual years of abiding to the contract. Contract end prematurely all the time when one of the parties decides too exercise some sort of exit strategy that was built in.

Not singling you out but this is what the pro-Verizon crowd has. Contracts can have exit clauses. Contracts get amended. You know what though, most contracts get fulfilled.
 
Not singling you out but this is what the pro-Verizon crowd has. Contracts can have exit clauses. Contracts get amended. You know what though, most contracts get fulfilled.

You know what though?

A contract is either breached or fulfilled... in law, there is no in-between.

Following an exit clause or an amendment clause, is also following (fulfilling) the contract.
 
Does everyone remember back in January 2007 when Apple first launched the original iPhone? They said they went with AT&T because Verizon said they didn't want to make all the backend changes needed for Visual Voicemail. To get AT&T to agree to this, Apple signed a 5 year exclusive deal with AT&T to carry the iPhone in the US.

None of that was ever said by either Apple or AT&T. It's all fanboy mythology bred from the internet blogger echo machine.

As for VVM, I do carrier programming, and I can guarantee you that it was not a big deal to modify the interface so that a message could be gotten by direct index instead of by auto-increment.

However, I would not be surprised if part of the exclusivity (of whatever length) was in return for AT&T wasting time and effort beefing up EDGE for the first iPhone, instead of working on their 3G network as they should've.

PS. What Job said exactly was this: "We worked with Cingular on visual voice mail. Because it's an innovation that requires both innovation on the phone and in the network. You can't do it in just one place. You have to do it in both places and collaborate. And so visual voice mail is the first fruit of this collaboration, and you will see more."
 
Finally!!! Most of us seem to have reached an agreement that both parties, Apple and Cingular, put exit clauses in the contract. This is why a Verizon iPhone is possible!
 
1. Exit or amendment clause(s).
2. Apple simply breaking the contract.
3. Expiration of contract at end of 2010, not end of 2011.

Those three scenarios are infinitely more believable than Apple staying exclusive to AT&T when a huge opportunity to sell millions of new devices is sitting right in front of them.
 
Do you want me to say once, twice or three times? I wouldn't throw out a guess. But we had this one last March which had the rumor mill about a September Verizon iphone:



And yes, the WSJ is reporting what others are saying in that article. Yet that is just what the opinion piece in the latest WSJ is doing too.

If you would like to pose questions to one another about Verizon iphone rumors, then I'll ask one. When ahs there been a rumor about a Verizon iphone that has actually come to fruition?

There is nothing stopping Verizon or any other North American company from building an iPhone compatible GSM network. The ball is and always has been in Verizon's court. Because Verizon hasn't done so, isn't Apple's fault. Verizon has had theoretically 5 years and has done nothing.
 



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DigiTimes reports that Apple has raised their 1st Quarter 2011 iPhone shipment goals from 19 million units to 20-21 million units. This number reportedly includes 5-6 million CDMA iPhones:WCDMA refers to the UMTS standard that the current iPhone 4 uses, but the CDMA iPhones will be a separate model that will bring compatibility to Verzion in the U.S. and apparently to other carriers in Asia Pacific.

Verizon has long been rumored to be the next major U.S. carrier to see iPhone compatibility. The Verizon iPhone is believed to be coming to Verizon in the first quarter of 2011. Verizon CEO Ivan Seidenberg will be giving a keynote address at this year's Consumer Electronics Show on January 6th, 2011 at 8:30am.

Article Link: Apple Increases 1st Quarter iPhone Shipments to 21 Million, Including the Verizon iPhone?


The CDMA cited later in quote could very well be referring to the prior W-CDMA or World-CDMA.
 
Yes there have been rumors for a looong time, but never this consistently about agreeing timeframes. It seems obvious that January will bring the announcement of the verizon iPhone. Does anyone really doubt it at this point??

Yes, there are plenty of people.
 
There is nothing stopping Verizon or any other North American company from building an iPhone compatible GSM network. The ball is and always has been in Verizon's court. Because Verizon hasn't done so, isn't Apple's fault. Verizon has had theoretically 5 years and has done nothing.

Yeah, they should have built a GSM network with LTE around the corner. :p Come on.

All I think is that Verizon will have an iPhone by summer. Not announcing in January just makes it more probable that the iPhone 5 will go to both carriers, which is a better case for Verizon customers than being 6 mos behind on the model anyway.
 
There is nothing stopping Verizon or any other North American company from building an iPhone compatible GSM network. The ball is and always has been in Verizon's court. Because Verizon hasn't done so, isn't Apple's fault. Verizon has had theoretically 5 years and has done nothing.

Nothing but time, money, resources.....

The CDMA cited later in quote could very well be referring to the prior W-CDMA or World-CDMA.

WHAT? Now you're just making stuff up! The W in WCDMA stands for Wideband. What prior W-CDMA are you talking about?

Oh look, the mythical Verizon iPhone due out at CES, I mean, just after CES, I mean, Valentines Day. LOLz.

http://tech.fortune.cnn.com/2010/12/30/the-valentines-day-iphone/

Nothing in that article hints that it's not coming, just debunks the whole idea that it would be ON Valentine's Day. As a matter of fact, it hints that Apple has leaked this info intentionally to steal thunder from CES. If anything, this would point to a Verizon iPhone actually existing.
 
Whenever this is announced, it HAS to be part of another product announcement. The reason is simple, a Verizon iPhone is not a new product. What would Steve Jobs do? Get up on stage, announce a Verizon iPhone, and then.....nothing? During his announcements, he talks about features and shows everyone how the product works. Unless the Verizon iPhone has a ton of new things, which it shouldn't, then it would be reasonable to assume that it would be part of another announcement, such as iPad 2, which will have new features.

This just makes sense to me. After all, wasn't the Macbook Air a "oh, and one more thing" announcement?
 
Whenever this is announced, it HAS to be part of another product announcement. The reason is simple, a Verizon iPhone is not a new product. What would Steve Jobs do? Get up on stage, announce a Verizon iPhone, and then.....nothing? During his announcements, he talks about features and shows everyone how the product works. Unless the Verizon iPhone has a ton of new things, which it shouldn't, then it would be reasonable to assume that it would be part of another announcement, such as iPad 2, which will have new features.

This just makes sense to me. After all, wasn't the Macbook Air a "oh, and one more thing" announcement?

Good point, he won't have much to talk about since we know all the features.
 
Nothing in that article hints that it's not coming, just debunks the whole idea that it would be ON Valentine's Day. As a matter of fact, it hints that Apple has leaked this info intentionally to steal thunder from CES. If anything, this would point to a Verizon iPhone actually existing.

This article smells like a leak from Apple. http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/11_02/b4210034485538.htm

Again this guy says he has a source. Where are the denials from AT&T sources?
 
The last time someone tried to tie a Verizon event to the iPhone, it turned out to be just a yearly employee meeting.

In this case, people seem to be assuming something special because Ivan is speaking. Okay, but he certainly has some other reasons for speaking:

  • Seidenberg is retiring soon.
  • He's a bit of a showman, so probably wants to go with a bang.
  • Rumors say there'll be LTE phones announced at CES (e.g. HTC Thunderbolt).

In other words, being a top speaker would still happen even if the iPhone never existed.
 
"Hello, here's the new iPad 2, blah, blah, blah....... oh, one more thing..."
:cool:

Or maybe he could announce the iPhone 5 and when he's leaving say, "One more thing, this phone also is CDMA compatible and Verizon will be selling it. Kthnks, bye!"
 
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