Not disagreeing with you on most points, but keep in mind analysts (and savvy shareholders) don't look at the present but think way ahead of the curve. Trends and futures is what guides them.
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Apple Increases iPhone SE Orders Amid Growing Sales Pressures
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The problem in the past was the cheaper handset was the prior year device. That's crap. With the SE, you get modern tech for less. They used some older stuff, like the fingerprint and selfie camera, but the important stuff was upgraded... processor, main camera, antennas. I just "downgraded" to an SE from a 6s Plus. The 6s just didn't make sense to me.
Thought for sure my girlfriend would get an SE when the time came to upgrade from her 5s. She complained about the size of the 6 when I first got it so I never thought she would go for the larger phone. But, she opted for the 6s this time because it "feels new." I wonder how often this has been the case
My guess is yes. I think that's Apple's whole point with this phone. They've long since recouped their investment on the 5 series phones. Normally they would EOL the 5s in September and that would be it, except in a few international emerging markets. So even with the spec updates, this is almost all icing on the cake.
Until we colonize Mars, Apple is likely going after the only new market they have left to go after, the low end. A $299 iPhone will be an amazing step for Apple. Not only that, but it puts the SE in a position to replace the iPod Touch. I'm actually expecting it to drop down to as low as $199 in two years time as well, at which time they would likely EOL the iPod Touch. Heck, they could keep bumping up the processor in the SE and keep it going for another 3 years.
They sold an outdated model. Now they are selling a 4" phone whose hardware is (mostly) as current as the larger sizes. That's what people wanted, not a hand-me-down phone.
People that wanted a new iPhone , but once in store they were sold what was explained as a better handset. Same as people who go in to buy a base package and walk out with an upgrade, sales 101
Don't forget you're in Macrumors Land, where everyone thinks they're smarter than Tim Cook, Phil Schiller, Jon Ive, etc.
I am glad you don't because then when I'm out at a restaurant I can point at your phone and go "is that an iPad?" even when it's the 6/6S. Otherwise the world would just be bland.
In all seriousness, I love my 4" phone and I can't see upgrading to bigger (tried once) but some love the bigger phones. Apple should be selling different screen sizes and not movie theatre scale. Ever had a movie theatre sized small coke? I'll just say it this way: if you drink a movie theatre large soda you ain't right.
[doublepost=1462302873][/doublepost]NO, not every SE. You can only think black and white. Thats not how the world works, if you missed that somewhere. Im sure your upset that no one at Apples is actually listening to your thinking.
That was an ignorant statement made by an equally ignorant man. To me it's half true.
Before a new product line is released, yes I agree the public doesn't know. But AFTER it's out there, Apple needs to do a way better job of listening to feedback from its customers. They do on some things, (native apps on the iPhone, 4" iPhone) but are notoriously horrible on others (making "Pro" models out of tape & glue with fewer and fewer BTO options, creating an entirely new laptop line instead of dumping a retina display in the Air, etc.)
It's all about growth potential. Stock markets are forward looking, which reflects investors sentiments, because investors are in it for the gain later on. No investor wants to hold on to a company stock that they think will under perform.
Also, the unique problem that Apple has is that it is making too much profit overseas. That money stashed abroad is basically useless in the US Apple balance sheets since Tim Cook (understandably) doesn't want to repatriate that cash. So to any investor in AAPL, that capital is not being deployed or put to effective good use. Stock buybacks are only somewhat helpful. Dividends can be better for institutional holders, but it's not the answer that everyone is looking for.
Companies like Alphabet, Microsoft, Facebook, Dell, are all effectively using their cash reserves for investment and business development purposes (i.e., acquisitions, new business ventures, etc). These investments are meant to pay off and generate more cash flow later on. Investors don't see that with AAPL. You can easily counter that AAPL is "secretive" with its new products (i.e., Apple Car, etc), but that is not a very effective argument for a public company to make to calm its investors, as is evident with a quick look at AAPL stock.
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Yeah, but all that (largely overseas) profit is next to useless for investors in AAPL, if Apple can't deploy that cash to effective use. How is an investor in AAPL going to benefit if Apple makes $1B profit a week (mostly overseas), and all AAPL really ever does is lock into cash and cash equivalents in Ireland?
It's not about the profit as much as it is about using that profit effectively. Sure, a cash pile is important for any company to have to weather bad days or make acquisitions or investments down the line. But not at the ridiculous amount Apple holds. Non-institutional holders argue for more buyback with that cash, while institutional holders argue for fatter dividends. But both know that those are inefficient cash deployments. The real answer most investors are looking for is products and innovation that will make Apple's cash flow even bigger while returning that capital to investors.
Loving my SE every day. Powerful, smaller form factor with all the necessity's I require. My Local Apple Stores are still short handed. It really is a great little device, my advice would be to choose the 64 GB, well worth it.
Of course I am aware of R&D, the fact is, you don't do R&D in 1 year, Apple probably had the A7 ready as far back as the A5. Apple is a business and at the end of the day, their objective is to get you to buy more of its stuff. They have shareholders but you seem to be clueless to that. This is strategic for driving growth to hold out on some stuff.
I remember purchasing the 3rd gen iPod Touch in 2009, then a year later they added a camera and Retina display. That sucked considering the chassis for both are the same. You are telling between September 2009 and September 2010 Apple worked out how to add a camera to the iPod Touch?
The reality is, it is not working anymore. The fact that they released an iPhone 5s with iPhone 6s guts called the SE would suggest, they could have launched at the same time as the 6s in September 2015. Now its a surprise there is demand for it. Yet, they leave out flagship features such as 3D Touch. Its not a case of it can't be done, its a case of it affecting the bottom line. Apple would love to have s Models going into 20's, but people are not that easy anymore.
So yes, they do R&D, I am ware of that, from Microsoft to Intel, they all do that. Why do you think Tim Cook is claiming the next iPhone will have features you don't know you could ever do without. You mean, in one year we are going to all of sudden decide we must throw away our iPhone 6 and 6s? No, it doesn't work that way, the master of RDF is not around anymore.
Ahahahaha, Ahahahahaha, Ahahahaha
No, they don't think ahead of the curve. No, they don't give a **** about trends. No, they don't give a damn account the future.
All they want is to make the biggest amount possible of money as soon as possible. **** the company.
Gambling stocks, Hype, Rumours and baseless opinions are what drives them, otherwise where would Apple (the company) be today? They certainly failed to realize that all their products are failures and that they had 0 potential since the nineties. Are we supposed to be ignorant and foolish to the point to believe that all of those corporations investing in Apple's stock and everybody associated with it even as a clue of what Apple is actually doing, from a technological and engineering point of view? What about the rest of the industry and their respective investors?
And before talking about R&D... Great R&D =/= Money money. How do you value intelligence? Talent? Apple has been proving since 98 that no one comes close. The others always spent way more, and achieved much less.
No sure what you are talking about,
That means not every SE, since you don't know what i wrote I doubt you know what I think.
Sorry, that is not true, not even close. For that to be remotely true it would mean that EVERY customer purchasing an SE is willing to buy a 6S/6S+. That is silly.
Care to explain how that would equate to "EVERY customer purchasing an SE is willing to buy a 6S/6S+"?
All I am saying it that when someone buys an SE, they may be choosing that over other iPhone models that have higher margins, there is potential that may be the case. Some people may buy both and use the SE as a back up, there are so many variables but I am guessing that the SE will cut into 6S sales.
Well you've got the right user icon for a guy who walks around with 60+ gb of music.
this is the 21st century and people still believe in things like god, heaven, hell, devil. so why wouldn't they believe in scarce = quality?I guess that is possible but very unlikely. This is the 21st century. Do you really believe that are a sufficient number of people left who think, "oh, that thing that I'm not interested in is out of stock, it must really be good. I didn't want one before, but now that I can't get one, I want one... NOW!"
I'm sure that the number of people who did that could be counted on one hand.