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What cracks me up is many people here believe Apple executives are stupid and just heard about AI a few months or a year ago and are now scrambling to quickly put "something out." Seriously?

When most likely the delay is due to the manner in which Apple will be releasing AI features tailored to having it done on-phone, in a methodology and framework with security features Apple believes are important.

Also... it seems many here believe Apple's view of AI is a finite bundle of features that won't expand (very much) - such as a typical app, like a word processor. When in fact, it's pretty much open-ended. It just takes a wee bit of expanding one's imagination to realize that.

AI features and uses on Apple products will be expanding over many years, in many different ways. You've just seen the beginning.
Agree, but plain out complaining and bickering is what folks do here…

As for Apple Intelligence, those are unique features that will run on-device, unique on Apple products, they want to provide features that will give them a competitive advantage. All the ChatGPT, OpenAI stuff is available via browser (for all I know).
And, Apple is laying out a roadmap for iOS and people don’t like it, shocker.

Personally, I have no interest in genAI as offered by ChatGPT and such, I also do not find the currently offered/talked about Apple Intelligence features useful but I will test them out, and if at some point in the future they are going to offer something that will make my daily life easier, I’ll use it.
 
I will say that the Clean Up tool has been legitimately useful for me. Doesn’t work perfectly every time, but when it does, it’s great.
I already used it for a quick update to a photo I wanted to post on social media over my vacation. It was nice to clean up a few things from my photo in 5 seconds.

Even though I'm sure there are plenty of apps in the app store that can already do that, considering how long it's been available on other platforms.
 
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Works just fine for me to roll this out in stages. It will take a little time to learn about each new feature and see if/how I will make it part of my routine. Sure, I, like most, prefer things NOW but I think I can manage.
 
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My concern still is the Apple has a limited amount of resources to work on iOS, and if the bulk of those resources are dedicated to AI, who & when will work be allocated to fixing the inevitable iOS 18 bugs and security faults. 18.3? 18.5?
 
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So how is that actually guaranteed? Is this just by honor or are there technical solutions that ensure that nothing is stored?

Here's the thing: I don't get how that is possible (and it could be because I'm just not understanding). Apple device makes a request to ChatGPT and say the request was something like this: "Please summarize this essay" and then I paste in an essay that I authored.

If this feature is by "honor only", ChatGPT can still mine my essay for its own data use without Apple ever knowing it.

Or, is there a technical feature that actually prevents ChatGPT from making use of my data that I sent?
There are couple of mechanisms to protect your privacy during ChatGPT requests.

Apple will mask your IP address so the actual request doesn’t come from your device, it goes through an Apple forwarding system, similar to the IP masking in Safari.

Apple’s contract with OpenAI says that OpenAI may not use your data and requests for training, may not store any of your data or requests, and Apple has the right to audit OpenAI servers to confirm compliance. I’m sure that Apple’s lawyers put some teeth in there to discourage OpenAI from cheating. Apple is paranoids about any privacy leakage via ChatGPT. You can see that in how much they are keeping the integration at arms length and asking you to confirm every time a request goes to ChatGPT.

Now, you can also log in to ChatGPT and in that case, you are no longer covered by Apple’s privacy policy but are subject to OpenAIs privacy policy. that is up to you.
 
The fact that the EU is not allowing AI is actually a bit concerning because the EU is all about user data privacy.

Why are they so concerned about Apple Intelligence? What is going on with our data behind the scenes? I generally trust Apple with my data, but if the EU is fighting against this, it bears some investigation.
The EU is not blocking this. Apple has withheld their AI for now. The informed speculation is that Apple is worried that, if they launch this feature now, the EU will force them to allow other company’s AI to be installed with the same degree of access. That would require Apple to provide a whole host of APIs and to freeze and maintain those APIs for the future. Right now, the AI integration is so new and changing, that freezing APIs would hamper the ability to adapt AI to how customers are using it. After a few years, it will likely be stable enough that an API could be provided but doing so in this early development phase would lock in choices and result in a worse product.

If you read about how Apple is implementing their AI, they provide a lot of details about how they are protecting privacy. Most requests are expected to be handled on device with local processing. For more complex tasks, they will hand off the request to some new Apple built servers that use Apple Silicon processors and are unable to log any data. After each request, there would be no trace of your data.

Even their use of OpenAI’s ChatGPT has a lot of privacy protections built into it.

Apple is taking privacy seriously in this AI integration and seems to be a lot more than the other AI providers. I don’t see what the EU would have to be worried about on that aspect.
 
As for Apple Intelligence, those are unique features that will run on-device, unique on Apple products, they want to provide features that will give them a competitive advantage. All the ChatGPT, OpenAI stuff is available via browser (for all I know).
And, Apple is laying out a roadmap for iOS and people don’t like it, shocker.
Up to now there is not even one feature more running on-device than Samsung's offering, no matter how often Apple tries to pretend there would be a difference. Let alone the fact that every feature is similar to or a copy of Samsung's offering😉
 
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Who cares even?

I'm just tired of hearing about it. So lame.

I'm just spitballing here, and could be wrong... you do have agency (I hope) with respect to choosing which stories you want to read and those that you don't want to read. Right?

Simple pick the 2nd option.
 
Up to now there is not even one feature more running on-device than Samsung's offering, no matter how often Apple tries to pretend there would be a difference. Let alone the fact that every feature is similar to or a copy of Samsung's offering😉
Who cares? Samsung has a history of introducing half-baked features ( eg blood pressure on the galaxy watch release 2 years ago, and then it disappeared a year later). If Samsungs offering has more value to you, by all means…
 
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Apple’s contract with OpenAI says that OpenAI may not use your data and requests for training, may not store any of your data or requests, and Apple has the right to audit OpenAI servers to confirm compliance. I’m sure that Apple’s lawyers put some teeth in there to discourage OpenAI from cheating. Apple is paranoids about any privacy leakage via ChatGPT. You can see that in how much they are keeping the integration at arms length and asking you to confirm every time a request goes to ChatGPT.

Yeah that’s what I’m afraid of. It’s only in the terms and conditions, so it’s on the honor system, in a sense. Actually worse is data breaches. If right at the onset the process isn’t encrypting or scrambling the data such that a data breach would just mean harvesting unusable data, then I don’t feel this as secured as I’d want it to be.

I would want a process where by the data sent to ChatGPT can’t be examined or used by humans at ChatGPT.

Masking IP address is good but not enough. It’s also one of the easiest things to accomplish in this age of experiences we have with data security. It doesn’t address my concern about the data being used in ways other than intended by the end user
 
I'm just spitballing here, and could be wrong... you do have agency (I hope) with respect to choosing which stories you want to read and those that you don't want to read. Right?

Simple pick the 2nd option.

Have the agency? Classy. :)
 
I would want a process where by the data sent to ChatGPT can’t be examined or used by humans at ChatGPT.

It's impossible, because you can't separate the humans at OpenAI from the software, since the humans control the software.

If the software can read it, the humans can always program the software to make a copy of the text available to them.
 
All of this not available at launch (even though the features have been talked about extensively at the Keynote) from Apple is really starting to piss me off. Don't announce the feature etc until it's ready to launch, especially when you are promoting the feature/s heavily on a new product announcement :mad:

I think if Steve Jobs were to come back, he would be tearing strips off of some of the Apple team for pulling this kind of thing.
 
Really is pathetic, you buy a new phone but if you want these features that are heavily promoted for it in the UK you'll have to run beta software for a good 3 months!. 25% of the 16's lifetime is spent waiting for a sodding update or even longer if you have to wait passed December that really should have been there from day one.

What's next, a new feature designed for the 17 but sorry you'll have to wait 6 months as its not ready yet. The software team needs to get its act together as they are constantly falling behind new hardware releases, which for a company worth as much as Apple's is honestly embarrassing. If they are struggling this much Apple may as well switch to a two year upgrade cycle instead.
 
As an iPhone 15 Pro Max user in the EU – someone who so far has upgraded his iPhone each year – the decision to skip this year and wait for iPhone 17 couldn't have been easier.
I hope they will really feel the dip in sales in the EU this year to get back to the negotiating table with Vestager and resolve this!!
 
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