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Apple Interactive Displays?

This is all very exciting but I do hope that the next gen powerbooks dont appear at WWDC with this technology! Or anytime soon for that matter. But then I am a bit biased at the moment...
 
Sweet

WOW. Who ever thought of this. If people get upset about the whole 3Ghz thing, I have a Dual 2 G5, and that is amazing fast. This will cover up anything jobs was lacking. This idea gets a an A
 
"When Jobs was demonstrating the new Airport Express, Walt Mossberg said that the biggest problem he saw was that users had to get up and walk to your computer to change play lists. Jobs joked that walking was good, but when pressed, he smiled a wry smile. AppleInsider correspondents took this to mean that Apple is developing in this area, and the Airport Express is just a step along the way."

I wonder if a tablet device has anything to do with how apple wants people to use AE away from the computer?...

I think that sounds pretty likely. More likely than stuffing airport inside an iPod, space in there is tight enough already, even with those new smaller cards.

Just a thought.
 
windowsblowsass said:
no one picked up on the fact that the article said they would probably beoled
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can someone explain the significance to me of OLED displays?

Also - there are 2 "displays" being talked about here, right? There are the updated cinema displays, expected soon (I hope!) and then there are these interactive tablet-like displays. Those are two different products... right??
 
Has anyone ever used a cintiq tablet?

While they seem useful for such programs as photoshop,
the pen actually GETS IN THE WAY, when you're trying to
do any retouching or detail work.

Although I am excited about the possiblity of an interactive
cinema display, sometimes the practicality of it is deceiving.

BTW, i may have one for sale... :smile:
 
QCassidy352 said:
can someone explain the significance to me of OLED displays?

Also - there are 2 "displays" being talked about here, right? There are the updated cinema displays, expected soon (I hope!) and then there are these interactive tablet-like displays. Those are two different products... right??
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OLED is an organic light display. The main difference is that LED constantly has to update what is being displayed on screen, thus it takes a lot of energy to power. An OLED however only refreshes portions of your screen that are actually changing, this takes away the flicker aspect and additionally makes something like a futuristic magazine possible. Think of it like an etch-a-sketch on steroids. It's foldable, low power consuming, and really cool. You could essentially unfold a piece of paper and have it display anything. I'm pretty sure that Coca Cola used them for some of their advertising at the Atlanta Games a few years back. It's available it just needs to be widely adopted by hardware manufacturers.
 
i know this is my third post in this forum, but i wanted to explicitly say, "woohoo!" oled displays and wireless advancement--my geek dreams are coming true.
 
obeygiant said:
Has anyone ever used a cintiq tablet?

While they seem useful for such programs as photoshop,
the pen actually GETS IN THE WAY, when you're trying to
do any retouching or detail work.

Although I am excited about the possiblity of an interactive
cinema display, sometimes the practicality of it is deceiving.

BTW, i may have one for sale... :smile:
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Yes I agree completely. I have tried them out at Macworld and they seem like they would be pretty cool but I think in reality there is limited application for the Cintiq. First of all you would have to keep moving your hand off the screen to use the keyboard and there is much less hand travel between an Intuos tablet and the keyboard. Secondly, the side of your hand is all over the screen making it dirty. Plus, there is a lot of screen to navigate with your hand. On my Wacom Intuos 6x9, I can navigate two 20" LCD's in only a few inches of hand travel. I can't imaging being more productive with my hand all over a 30" display.

They are probably only good for people doing some illustration with Painter or CAD but on the Mac that is a small group, harly lucrative for Apple. It's not going to happen.
 
I love Junes.. so many rumors and so many releases.. 😀

by the way, do we really need tablet-mac?.. the answer is a big NO on my case.. I already hate tablet-pc's and find them useless, an iBook should stay like an iBook not a tablet-thing..

but you know what, if Apple is really going to update displays, why not make them airport competable, so you may hang your 23" display on the wall without any boundaries..
 
DreaminDirector said:
I thought of something interesting. The Wacom is quoted to have "patented cordless, battery-free tablet technology". Battery-free? How is that, I thought...

Now, Firewire can carry power, right? If 802.11g can carry a signal, is there any knowledge whether the new wireless firewire (there was an article about and I apologize I don't have the link...) can carry power? Wireless power?

Is that even possible?
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Wireless FireWire can't carry power, at least not effectively - power decreases exponentially, I believe - I'd have to research the actual facts, but it's something like that. It will be some time before we see feasible "wireless power" in any aspect of life, let alone computers. 🙂
 
I saw Steve at the D conference today, and let me tell you he came down hard on no streaming video.

Walt asked him a bunch of times and someone from the audience did also, but Steve was adamantly against it.

Steve said that their research shows people don't want to stream video. You put a DVD in a DVD player and play it. Walt pressed him and said, well you guys make iMovie and those videos are on a hard drive, and Steve responded that you can burn a DVD with a SuperDrive.

What about iPhoto? No one asked that question, but I doubt with today's release a video version is coming soon since it would piss off customers who are buying this month, plus, what would they call it? Airport Express AV?

I don't buy it, and this comes from sitting 12 feet from Steve for an hour and half today.
 
aussiemac86 said:
Not really possible.
To get the required power through the air to power a device such as a display would require an enormous output at the source (basestation etc). Like it would have to be far more than what you can draw out of a powerpoint at home. Also the inverse square law states that for every increase in radius(range) the strength decreases by a factor of four. So at most you might be able to have it sitting right next to the basestation. These levels of power going through the air are not healthy as well, and would cause cancer and **** pretty bad.
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The inverse square law means that power drops by a factor of 4 for every doubling in distance, not each increase.

You're probably reading his original post correctly in thinking that the whole tablet was wireless, in which case you're right that powering it wirelessly would be unworkable.

If what the question meant was "how can you power the stylus wirelessly", which is what the unit is doing, I'll extend your answer a bit:

First, you wouldn't be looking at as sharp a power drop off with distance because the transmission would be focused through the tablet-- non-spherical radiation pattern.

Second it's not hard to get sufficient power from the tablet to the stylus-- it's a short distance (inches) and the stylus only needs a minute amount of juice.

Second-and-a-half is that the stylus is probably in the nearfield for the tablet, so it wouldn't even radiate so much as reactively couple (think transformer).

Third, Wacom probably isn't powering the stylus at all, just measuring the distortion in some field as the stylus passes through (except they're clicky styluses, aren't they... So there must be some signal traveling back...).

The problem isn't too much different than an RFID tag-- they get powered from the reader and blip back a little bit of data.

In summary: there is no power transmitted by wireless firewire, but it's possible to power a small stylus over a short distance without wires by other means.
 
scottkle said:
In response to a previous post, cintiq tablets are nothing short of incredible.

What I don't understand though is why Apple would want to make wacom mad by stepping in on their turf.

And, if they are going to release such a tablet, why would they stop there? The tablet based mac is just another step up. I know they aren't doing well in the PC world, but that's because it's in the PC world. Apple could do it.
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I think Wacom makes most of the "tablet" hardware for "tablet PCs". I don't think they'd mind licensing it to Apple and getting a royalty per display.

How many Macs have tablets? Now, how many have displays?
 
Analog Kid said:
The inverse square law means that power drops by a factor of 4 for every doubling in distance, not each increase.

You're probably reading his original post correctly in thinking that the whole tablet was wireless, in which case you're right that powering it wirelessly would be unworkable.

If what the question meant was "how can you power the stylus wirelessly", which is what the unit is doing, I'll extend your answer a bit:

First, you wouldn't be looking at as sharp a power drop off with distance because the transmission would be focused through the tablet-- non-spherical radiation pattern.

Second it's not hard to get sufficient power from the tablet to the stylus-- it's a short distance (inches) and the stylus only needs a minute amount of juice.

Second-and-a-half is that the stylus is probably in the nearfield for the tablet, so it wouldn't even radiate so much as reactively couple (think transformer).

Third, Wacom probably isn't powering the stylus at all, just measuring the distortion in some field as the stylus passes through (except they're clicky styluses, aren't they... So there must be some signal traveling back...).

The problem isn't too much different than an RFID tag-- they get powered from the reader and blip back a little bit of data.

In summary: there is no power transmitted by wireless firewire, but it's possible to power a small stylus over a short distance without wires by other means.
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Thanks for this, this is the information I was trying to recall in my earlier post, referencing the inverse square law. As I said, practical "wireless power" is a significant ways away yet!
 
All this continued flurry of speculation is certainly getting exciting.

I plan on being at my local Apple Store for the Keynote also. I really enjoyed it being with a group during MWSF '04.
 
windowsblowsass said:
no one picked up on the fact that the article said they would probably be oled
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First, notice how nicely italics would get your point across without being an eyesore... 🙄

Second, OLED doesn't really offer much for desktop displays other than shorter life so Apple will get more repeat business... Great for portable, but not sure what the point is for desktops.

A little thinner maybe, because there's no backlight...
 
Analog Kid said:
First, notice how nicely italics would get your point across without being an eyesore... 🙄

Second, OLED doesn't really offer much for desktop displays other than shorter life so Apple will get more repeat business... Great for portable, but not sure what the point is for desktops.

A little thinner maybe, because there's no backlight...
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things big attract the eyes italics not so much 0it caught your attention didnt it

anyways i believe that t refreshes mch better and has better color
 
The other important thing about OLEDs, iirc, is that they do not require a backlight, but rather phosphoresce when a (much smaller) current is applied. They are consequently much less of a drain on whatever power source - in this case, a battery - is powering the device.

However, I also recall reading that they are still some way from the market, except in small (phone) sizes.

We'll see soon enough. I'm guessing they're a lock, the only real question being when.
 
~Shard~ said:
Thanks for this, this is the information I was trying to recall in my earlier post, referencing the inverse square law. As I said, practical "wireless power" is a significant ways away yet!
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Not to put too fine a point on it-- photovoltaics are wireless power and they've been practical for desktop calculators and roadside emergency phones for years... 😉
 
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