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Are you people seriously arguing over physics? Do you people really think Apple is talking about quantum mechanics to sell iPhones?

It's just a (bad) joke!

Nope.

Do you know all the formulas in that board ( i don't, but you certainly recognize some of Newton work, most of which are rendered null by QM and most recent works in the field )?

QM proves that Newton laws are incomplete.
We should look at them just as first layers.
That id obvious

Design is a multidisciplinary work, so physics are taken in account, as well chemistry …
And we are all here just ’jamming’ here, or speculating if you want.
Humility is required.
 
the first video tho ... who actually holds their phone in a grip like that, my hand would fall asleep after 1 minute. also notice how he cant even reach the upper right corner with his thumb? makes the whole argument pointless.

maybe my hands r small but i cant even reach the upper left corner on the 4S 3.5 screen ^^ thats one of the things android actually got right. the return or option button should be located at the bottom or u just simply use the phone with two hands like "normal" ppl ^^

I never, ever, held my old "non-smartphone" cell phone with two hands except sometimes when i wrote text messages... I don't see why I would need to change that with a new phone... "Like normal people"...yeah, right... The only "Normal" people I see using a cell phone with two hands are the ones with too large a screen for their hands and people with really tiny hands.


Personally I can reach every corner on my HTC Desire Z with my thumb, and that's a 3.7" device. Ok, I need to stretch the thumb a bit more than comfortable if I choose not to switch grips, but I can reach everywhere without changing the grip.

Also, you can see the hand pressing "Done" in the upper right corner in the beginning of the video... What corner can't he reach?
 
All others did (and still do) have the issue.
Again you are mixing it with deathgrip, as apple intended to do divert attention from the iphone 4 antennagate issue.


It was a minor issue, though, and the iPhone 4 antenna was better than the 3GS by any objective measure.
Yes, thats true, but some people still suffered from it and it would have been easily fixed, so it clearly was a design error, one apple never admitted.

Apple has admitted when it's been wrong far better than any other company I can think of. Remember EPEAT?
Non issue , no like any big company apple doesnt dare admit mistakes in its product out of fear for getting sued.

And I bet 10 of them return the S3 within the month, when they realize the software sucks and they see all their friends with the iPhone.
Samsung s3 is a very good smartphone, did you ever use it?
 
What?
If it is defective WHY would people buy it?
When did I ever say defective?




Believe wHAT i want?

Now you are inside my head?
We are discussing Apple decisions in a site where people comments about their love of Apple.
So? You still believe what you want, it seems because I dont praise apple to the fullest you have to contend with anything I say?

Again : to me apple or samsung or most mayor companies barely bring anything risky out, again they dont have to.





Did i admit it was a fault?
NO, i wrote whether it was a fault or not, what is the point?
I respect courage that is needed to innovate.
Wauw, bold and red.

The question was does apple admit mistakes and this was a mistake they never admitted, you might ignore that and forgive them but thats still reality .



Just tell me when did i do such thing in this site.
That was a comment from bushido actually

I wrote plenty of times here, i do not have a phone ( since 2004 ), my wife is the one that have one.

Again, WHY i love Apple - mostly because of their biz model - Apple depends on its shoulders, Apple competes with the world.
Like any other company, dont see why that makes apple special.

You are full of prejudices and you project it on anyone who shouts - I love Apple.
BS, and if you bothered to read my posts you would now. I just see apple as it is, just another companys like plenty out there, but as I already said, you can believe what you want.




I am not here to oppose people who happens to just express their love for what Apple does, which is what you are doing.
Not at all I gave arguments against factual errors , I never said anything against anyone who just said 'i love apple' he has every right to say and do that.

You are discussing with an imaginary friend/enemy, because nothing you just throw at me correspond my believes.
Again, I merely responded to you saying antennagate didnt excist or was made up or apple is very risky and has no problems admitting mistakes. To me reality shows it different , but to you apperently that is attacking you as a person. T me thats strange but plenty of people identify themselves with companys .
 
When did I ever say defective?





So? You still believe what you want, it seems because I dont praise apple to the fullest you have to contend with anything I say?

Again : to me apple or samsung or most mayor companies barely bring anything risky out, again they dont have to.

.

I think with my own head, obeying my own experiences like you, WHY should i think like you, if i am not you?

Wasn’t the first iPhone RISKY?

I never coordinated/run nothing/group of people ( even though i was the head of my physics class group in school tournaments ), but by reading this post - iPhone: The bet Steve Jobs didn’t declinelink will take you to http://counternotions.com


When did I ever say defective?


Wauw, bold and red.

The question was does apple admit mistakes and this was a mistake they never admitted, you might ignore that and forgive them but thats still reality .

You say it was a mistake, the antenna still on the current iPhone, you still hammering the same nail.


When did I ever say defective?

That was a comment from bushido actually


Like any other company, dont see why that makes apple special.
.


Yes!, to you apple is NOT special.
Why you still bringing Samsung? To me Apple is special, which tore down your point of discussion. I did write WHY they are special to me.

• Any company can take a shot at Apple, Apple stands on its own shoulders - that is the biz model i love. now any company taking-on Android OS or any Windows OS on its own will have to fight against the Windows OS and android OS cartel vendors, see the HUGE task there?

So Apple model is competition-friendly and it is just being BRAVE. chest-bare competing with the world.


But you still saying NO.

See?

So who is here to oppose those who shout - i love Apple?


When did I ever say defective?


BS, and if you bothered to read my posts you would now. I just see apple as it is, just another companys like plenty out there, but as I already said, you can believe what you want.


Like i said, accept Free will and you’ll be free!



Not at all I gave arguments against factual errors , I never said anything against anyone who just said 'i love apple' he has every right to say and do that.

Factual errors decided by you!
Accept that others think different, which does not make them slaves ( as the apple-haters shout ).


Again, I merely responded to you saying antennagate didnt excist or was made up or apple is very risky and has no problems admitting mistakes. To me reality shows it different , but to you apperently that is attacking you as a person. T me thats strange but plenty of people identify themselves with companys .

No, i respond to your post by pure respect ( believe it or not ), just to disagree, otherwise i’d have just ignore your post.

Your perception says it was a mistake, even if the same antenna - upgraded of course, which is an obvious situation - do still on the current phone, as i wrote above.
Isn’t that a proof that making the innovative/revolutionary antenna was a right decision to make?
 
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Yeah.. I am worried too. I mean, have you seen their stock prices? So low... they must have a SUCKTASTIC marketing department.

No, Apple marketing is genius. They did something new and completely unique from every other company. It makes them stand out and its going to boost their sales.

Apple is doing so well because of their past marketing and because they make really great high quality products. NOT because the newest round of commercials are good at all.
 
Thought the ads were incredibly dull and very condescending. Doesn't make me want to rush out and buy an iPhone 5. The iPad ads are much better.
 
Apple and Depeche Mode

The ads lack of soul.

It reminds me when Alan Wilder, the actual musician of Depeche Mode left the band back in 2004 after David Gahan got a drug overdose.

After a few years DM came up with Ultra, but all the sound was gone because Alan Wilder was the actual musician of the band, he was the one who created Enjoy the Silence, Personal Jesus, and the legacy songs.

After Alan Wilder, Depeche Mode came up with 3 month duration hits, the albums just had 3 good songs. They focused in more marketing and now they are an alternative band.

Actually Depeche Mode sounded worst than the bands that wanted to sound like them. A huge component was lost and that was Alan Wilder, the musician.

With Apple... the musician is gone and I can tell in the Adds, Steve Jobs hand was not there, was not in the script and the charisma is gone.

Now Apple is selling product for the stocks holders, not for the spirit of the people. Remember the adds for the Olympic games were really bad. These ones are not up to Apple standards either from the Steve Jobs era.

I am sure, by the end of next year, and write this words down... everybody at Apple will be looking for what Steve Jobs have left because they are out of innovative ideas, just adding features but no spirit.

In 2 years, stocks prices will start to go down seriously.
 
Wow!
Your thumbs are asymmetric?

Nope, my thumbs are not asymmetric, but the iPhone UI is.

We're talking about the commonly used Back button on iOS. It's at the upper left of the screen.

By using a left hand in the ad, the demonstrated thumb arc didn't have to do any extra stretching to keep hitting the Back button.

With a right handed person, who are the majority, the user would have to stretch to hit the Back button, if using the same but mirror image thumb arc.
 
I think with my own head, obeying my own experiences like you, WHY should i think like you, if i am not you?
When did I ever say such a thing? I think you are seriously misinterpreting what I am saying.



Wasn’t the first iPhone RISKY?
Thats 2005-2007 and 1/40the to 1/10the size it has now.



You say it was a mistake, the antenna still on the current iPhone, you still hammering the same nail.
Because you dont seem to get it, that antenna since then was coated to prevent another antennagate, thats why it was a mistake the first time, a mistake they never admitted.



Yes!, to you apple is NOT special.
Why you still bringing Samsung? To me Apple is special, which tore down your point of discussion. I did write WHY they are special to me.
Tore down? No it didnt, and why shouldnt I bring up samsung, they are very comparable (parts at least) to apple, its just your perception of that that is different.


• Any company can take a shot at Apple, Apple stands on its own shoulders - that is the biz model i love. now any company taking-on Android OS or any Windows OS on its own will have to fight against the Windows OS and android OS cartel vendors, see the HUGE task there?
No, more your perception. You want apple to be the underdog.

I actually think android or WM have a lot harder time now.

Samsung for example (and I can take any other android company but that is the biggest one) had not only had to compete with apple that already had a huge market share it also competes with other android devices wich have simular OS. WM comes in a mature taken market as new comer .

All companies have a hard time once markets mature dont know why you would think 1 would have it harder then others.

But again believe what you want .



So who is here to oppose those who shout - i love Apple?
I never opposed that, I oppose "apple has it the hardest of them all"



Factual errors decided by you!
Accept that others think different, which does not make them slaves ( as the apple-haters shout ).
Slaves? gee why so emotional?

And again antennagate is fact any iphone 4 can demonstrate it, plenty of evidence around, the fact a simple bumper or coating fixed it shows it was a design error . Ignore it if you want but thats not going to change reality.


Your perception says it was a mistake, even if the same antenna - upgraded of course, which is an obvious situation - do still on the current phone, as i wrote above.
Isn’t that a proof that making the innovative/revolutionary antenna was a right decision to make?
You still dont get it, not coating the antenna's and letting a finger seriously hamper reception was the mistake, not the antenna's as such.

And thats not a perception thats reality .
 
Nope, my thumbs are not asymmetric, but the iPhone UI is.

We're talking about the commonly used Back button on iOS. It's at the upper left of the screen.

By using a left hand in the ad, the demonstrated thumb arc didn't have to do any extra stretching to keep hitting the Back button.

With a right handed person, who are the majority, the user would have to stretch to hit the Back button, if using the same but mirror image thumb arc.


That was a joke!

But seriously?!
And the rest of the hand stands still Un-hinged? ( another joke! )
 
I love the way Apple make something and then make up a whole story/scenario that tells people anything other than what they have done it stupid.

So, Apple will NEVER offer a larger screen on a mobile phone EVER.
Not in 5, 10 or 20 years, it can never get any larger as it would go against the "common sense" of having the screen the size it is now.

So get used to the size it is now, as this is it.....

For Ever......
 
The ads lack of soul.

It reminds me when Alan Wilder, the actual musician of Depeche Mode left the band back in 2004 after David Gahan got a drug overdose.

After a few years DM came up with Ultra, but all the sound was gone because Alan Wilder was the actual musician of the band, he was the one who created Enjoy the Silence, Personal Jesus, and the legacy songs.

After Alan Wilder, Depeche Mode came up with 3 month duration hits, the albums just had 3 good songs. They focused in more marketing and now they are an alternative band.

Actually Depeche Mode sounded worst than the bands that wanted to sound like them. A huge component was lost and that was Alan Wilder, the musician.

With Apple... the musician is gone and I can tell in the Adds, Steve Jobs hand was not there, was not in the script and the charisma is gone.

Now Apple is selling product for the stocks holders, not for the spirit of the people. Remember the adds for the Olympic games were really bad. These ones are not up to Apple standards either from the Steve Jobs era.

I am sure, by the end of next year, and write this words down... everybody at Apple will be looking for what Steve Jobs have left because they are out of innovative ideas, just adding features but no spirit.

In 2 years, stocks prices will start to go down seriously.

Thank you. Very eloquent description of the problem. I see it just like that as well.

I'm hoping that my current Apple products last me awhile because when they're gone I have a feeling I'll be buying second hand Apple products because I do not trust the quality of anything that's coming out of the company now. I love the iPhone 4/4s design, and I would buy the same design year after year with slight spec bumps to keep up with technology, but the new iPhone looks like a bastardization of the perfect design. The only way they could improve the existing perfect iPhone design is by making an all display front which would give the room for a bigger display in the form factor of the 4/4s and improve the music and video apps to include the iTunes cover art tile view to where you just had to flick upwards on the band names which would include a promo shot of the band or genre as a tile you could adjust the size of just like in itunes, Apple would provide or the user could embed it themselves and it would expand similar to the folder icons by splitting downwards to show the individual album art, again like iTunes, there's no reason they shouldn't have done this by now. It's the perfect way to improve the apps. Plus, who was the genius who split the video and music app into two apps when it's still just the one on all macs. CHANGE FOR THE SAKE OF CHANGE IS NOT THE MARK OF GENIUS, IT'S LAZY AND UNCREATIVE. Apple needs to stop making things more difficult and stop trying to find new ways to do things that function perfectly already unless they are going to actually improve it. Launchpad may work well on an iPad if they plan to do away with the dock, but on a desktop, it's not needed when you can pin things to the dock or use the applications folder on the dock. It's just not necessary. Plus, STOP THINNING DOWN THE IPHONE!!! IT DOESN'T NEED TO BE ANY LIGHTER!!!! Right now in the 4/4s design it has a little heft to it which makes it feel substantial in your hand, the thinner you make it the more awkward and cheap it makes it feel.
 
Can you give some specific examples? Brand/model? This kind of response is annoying--I see it all over Amazon reviews.

If you're trying to be helpful, why not point people in the right direction? Unless of course you were just talking out of your corn hole, now were you?

I'm an audio engineer. I'd like to think I know a little bit about what I'm talking about. If people wanted recommendations I'd gladly steer them in the way I'd go but I'm not a personal shopping assistant.

Sennheiser, Etymotic, Ultimate Ears, and Sony all make pretty decent earbuds in the $30 range.

One of my favorite resources: http://www.headphone.com/headphones/
They have frequency response, impedance, isolation, square wave reproduction, and harmonic distortion graphs for the higher end which is extremely useful. Obviously nothing that would matter in the sub ~$50 range but nice to look at if you're in the market for some really nice cans.

Helpful enough?
 
Your prejudice is blinding you.

No.
Those are classic physics - most of them are now rendered obsolete by QM and other new theories.

You never studied physics, certainly.

First of all - I have studied physics. I'm not a physicist (nor do I aspire to be one), but even I know the ad is just a farce. I've seen all of those equations through the course of my studies, and they're simply not relevant to the point Apple is making.

Second, the laws of classical physics still apply. Just because they don't necessarily apply to subatomic phenomena doesn't mean they're entirely invalid for describing everything else. Any new theories/laws that we come up with will not change what we already know about classical physics; they will just further explain phenomena that we don't currently understand.

Third: How the hell does what Apple did violate classical physics (or any physics for that matter)? You (and Apple's ad) are acting like making the phone thinner and the screen bigger somehow violates the laws of physics. It doesn't. The suggestion that it does is simply absurd. If anything, making one dimension larger while simultaneously making the other smaller is inline with conservation of mass/energy (but of course since Apple is not constrained on the amount of material they can start with, even that line of thought is absurd).

Certainly you've never studied anything, let alone physics.
 
I'm an audio engineer. I'd like to think I know a little bit about what I'm talking about. If people wanted recommendations I'd gladly steer them in the way I'd go but I'm not a personal shopping assistant.

Sennheiser, Etymotic, Ultimate Ears, and Sony all make pretty decent earbuds in the $30 range.

One of my favorite resources: http://www.headphone.com/headphones/
They have frequency response, impedance, isolation, square wave reproduction, and harmonic distortion graphs for the higher end which is extremely useful. Obviously nothing that would matter in the sub ~$50 range but nice to look at if you're in the market for some really nice cans.

Helpful enough?

There aren't any earbuds on that site under $30 with good reviews. My contention with your previous post is that you said there are many other better sounding sets for $30. Since you made that assertion, I decided you should back it up with some concrete examples, which you still failed to do.

Now you respond with saying that anything under the $50 range doesn't matter too much. So what's your point? :rolleyes:

I don't care even if you are a recording tech for God himself.
 
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