Those speeds already exists. They may not be using the 3.2 due to the much higher listed TDP than the others. Especially since it appears that they have put the CPUs on a daughter card along with the RAM. That had to adversely affect the cooling some.
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Apple Introduces New Mac Pro with Nehalem Xeon Processors
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Those speeds already exists. They may not be using the 3.2 due to the much higher listed TDP than the others. Especially since it appears that they have put the CPUs on a daughter card along with the RAM. That had to adversely affect the cooling some.
1) FW800 External FW RAID
2) FW800 Memory Card reader
plus (just requires a $5 adaptor plug):
3) FW400 Scanner
4) FW400 External FW hard drive(s)
5) FW400 Older iPod
Exactly. I don't use USB2 when I can use FW. For example, my scanner is USB2 capable, but its nearly twice as fast when its data is transferring via Firewire.
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Exactly why I mentioned them.
The chips I mentioned aren't even that much more expensive so with some decrease in prices Apple could still silent update and make the insane profit they're making now.Gainestown Nehalem Pricing
If you want to do the maths yourself comparing the pricing of these chips and the Harperfield chips on release, have a look here.
You can clearly see that the launch price per chip of the 2.8 Harpertowns was $797 per CPU - compared to the 2.26 Nehalems $373 per CPU.
No, but the percentage is very high. Also, it doesn't matter how long you're sitting in front of your machine, what matters is how much of your memory is actually involved in critical calculations and for how long. Critical meaning that the outcome is important and that you will either waste a lot of time to redo the calculation or that errors with grave consequences are not easily detectable.
I'm not saying that Apple shouldn't put ECC memory in any of their systems. It sounds reasonable for Xserves: redundant power supplies, hot-swappable disks, ECC memory etc. all sound ok for a server system. It's also ok in the 8-core monsters: server motherboard and server processors are necessary anyway for this kind of power (two processors).
But you have to admit that not every kind of "pro", especially one that can live with four cores, needs ECC. So, for all of us professionals who don't, a comparison to an i7 that a) runs faster (3.2+), b) supports more memory (24 GB), c) supports faster memory (1600 MHz), d) includes a raid controller, e) has decent graphics, f) comes at half the price IS VERY VALID.
I think what many people in this thread don't realize is that the Mac Pro is a workstation class machine. It is not a desktop and it won't be!
If you need a desktop then Apple doesn't offer a solution for you apart from the all in one iMac.
If you need a desktop then Apple doesn't offer a solution for you apart from the all in one iMac.
I've seen Apple lower prices on certain items but only during a product refresh cycle where the reduced price item was being replaced by something newer.
Has Apple ever reduced the price on a computer just to increase sales or some similar reason?
I just can't wrap my head around paying 6000 US dollars for the 2.93 8 core MacPro to replace my Dual Core 3.0 ghz MacPro. It's twice the money that I paid in 2007. I'm still considering it as I need the power for video editing which is just a hobby, but having a hard time pulling the trigger.
Has Apple ever reduced the price on a computer just to increase sales or some similar reason?
I just can't wrap my head around paying 6000 US dollars for the 2.93 8 core MacPro to replace my Dual Core 3.0 ghz MacPro. It's twice the money that I paid in 2007. I'm still considering it as I need the power for video editing which is just a hobby, but having a hard time pulling the trigger.
Just found this review of the ATI Radeon HD 4870 GPU from Techradar at http://www.techradar.com/reviews/co...ds/ati-radeon-hd-4870-415541/review?artc_pg=2 The review is dated July 3rd Last year so maybe the model has been updated but should this be of concern......
The only other slight worry is the immense heat this card pumps out. It's a bit surprising given that we found it consumes approximately 35 watts less than the GTX 280. And it doesn't bode all that well for the longevity of these cards. Nor does it help keep the rest of your system cool and stable.
Why the old technology and why something so hot its likely to get the fans in a frenzied spin in such a new model?
Is this also why Apple are saying that the new Mac Pro has "support for up to four NVIDIA GeForce GT 120 cards" and makes no mention of how many ATI cards it will support before the chassis melts?
The only other slight worry is the immense heat this card pumps out. It's a bit surprising given that we found it consumes approximately 35 watts less than the GTX 280. And it doesn't bode all that well for the longevity of these cards. Nor does it help keep the rest of your system cool and stable.
Why the old technology and why something so hot its likely to get the fans in a frenzied spin in such a new model?
Is this also why Apple are saying that the new Mac Pro has "support for up to four NVIDIA GeForce GT 120 cards" and makes no mention of how many ATI cards it will support before the chassis melts?
The single socket Mac Pros would be no different than a "desktop" and would be the solution if Apple were not charging a huge premium. That is why people are annoyed.
If you have a macpro 3.2 8core I wouldnt upgrade yet...
I'm thinking of taking the opportunity to buy a 3.2 last gen and giving it all the bells and whistles for half the price..
For video editing you might consider just getting the new ATI card when it comes out and a Kona card.. those are more important then cpu power in video editing.
I'm thinking of taking the opportunity to buy a 3.2 last gen and giving it all the bells and whistles for half the price..
For video editing you might consider just getting the new ATI card when it comes out and a Kona card.. those are more important then cpu power in video editing.
I'd say it's as valid as people comparing the Inspiron 5300 to the Mac Mini and saying Apple priced out of the game.
You basically just said you don't need a profesionnal workstation, you need a powerful consumer grade machine. Apple has decided that this segment does not fit its goals and that they weren't selling enough machines in this segment to justify continued support for it, hence why they don't sell a machine for this segment anymore.
Maybe that will change at a later date if there is enough customer demand. Just like the Mac Mini isn't a low-end desktop and doesn't compete with low-end Inspirons, the Mac Pro isn't meant to be competitive against an off the shelf PC.
I agree the new prices suck, but the difference between one and two processors for 2008 MacPro was $500, so I doubt Apple was paying more than that for the second processor *and* its additional cooling shroud.
Right, but they are selling something that is basically the same as those in the powerful-consumer-grade segment but slapped an extra $1000 on it.
Basically the same and the same aren't the same thing. I could say a Dell Precision T5400 is just an overpriced PC too, but that wouldn't make it any more real than the comparison you guys are making with the Mac Pro.
I'm not really happy about this update, but I'll probably be getting one around July. I'm disappointed about the RAM issue with the Quad core, I'm also kind of pissed about the graphics card. I wish that Apple would have an option between two Mini-Display Port, or two DVI (without an adaptor). At least they didn't remove a FW port.
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Apparently all you understand is branding and never dig any deeper. There are two types of workstations.
First is the server based workstation. This is what machines like the 8-core Mac Pro and the Dell Precision T5400/7400 are. These are higher end machines with dual sockets and lots of DIMMs for lots of memory.
Second are the desktop based workstations at the entry level. This is what the Quad core Mac Pro and the Precision are. The difference between these and a high end desktop? ECC memory and professional FirePro and Quadro graphics. Apple doesn't use the later in favor of consumer cards. They use desktop CPU (or entry server variants of), desktop x-series motherboards, desktop ATX cases, desktop hard drives, desktop optical drives, etc.
No, we actually do out homework and understand the difference between substance and marketing. You take face value as the absolute truth. You could have the same exact components one with given the XPS case and one in the precision case and you'd say the one in the precision case was better. Why? Because the workstations is better.
Unbuffered ECC ram is roughly twice that of non-ECC ram. That being said, memory is cheap even ECC. About $30 per GB. You're still paying about $900 for name
What features does the $2,499 Mac Pro provide that won't be available on a $1,500 system?
$130. That's the price difference between 4 2GB non-ECC DDR3 DIMMs and 4 2GB ECC DIMMs.
Assuming the fans aren't keyed to the CPU speeds, yes. Its a intel standard 1366 pin socket, so you can trade out the 2.66ghz model for 2.93 or even the 3.2ghz model (which Apple doesn't offer)
That doesn't sound right to me. What about a video editing enthusiast that want to work with native avchd or After effects or Photoshop?
Simple multitasking effortlessly needs a powerful computer.
Now your rule of thumb might be what Apple's thinking but it doesn't make it real.
Yeah I don't like this "only pros need the Mac Pro so it doesn't matter what Apple do" line that I've seen a lot these past few days. Amateur/enthusiast digital content creation is really taking off and powerful machines are very useful here.
The "you can't complain just because Apple aren't offering the same value in hardware PCs do" mentality is very elitist. Apple and OS X users should want people to be buying Macs and using them, but when you can get powerful hardware for a lot less if you use Windows then the Mac loses appeal.
Are you still comparing consumer grade hardware to workstation grade hardware ?
Workstations are not just about server/workstation grade hardware either. They are also about extended availability of parts. Your cheap desktop you parted out on newegg and built yourself or that Dell you managed to configure at half the price of the Mac Pro? The parts might not be available next year when something breaks. You'll have to either upgrade or sidegrade the part and businesses don't want that. They want identical machines, and they want a garantee that the machines will stay identical for their entire lifespan.
Workstation grade hardware will be kept in stock and the workstations won't change configuration as often as the consumer grade PCs do, so a batch you ordered today will be the same thing as a batch you order in 6 months.
This is part of the value you get in the Pro market. I can't wait to see what kind of Nehalem boxes HP and Dell build so we can see how not overpriced the new Mac Pro is.