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Apple Introduces “Next Generation MacBook Pro” with 15.4″ Retina Display, Starts at $2199

faroZ06 said:
Is 98MB of RAM a lot? You sound like this Apple-hater at my school who has never used an Apple product. He also complains about iTunes being "bloated".
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For an application that its only job is to playback an mp3 file, yes that is way too much. 98mb is the low end, I've seen it go beyond 150mb and crash completely with a library of over 200gb (some of my friends are producers).

And yeah, I hate Apple (the company) because it has turned into exactly what it used to be against;

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Little to no options/choice, overwhelming market saturation, frivolous and countless lawsuits against damn near the entire industry, ticky tack patents, unjustified high prices and a SWARM of imbeciles protecting and perpetuating the arrogance from the Apple Evangelism (which is real). The camp sites on launch days is evidence (which is pathetic).

I love OS X, its their best product by far, but theyre on track to completely screwing it by trying to have it go through some kind of iPadification process. I've owned a Mac Pro and Powermac before, both of which served me greatly and both of which I always praised.

My criticisms stand as valid, if Apple ever implemented some of the things I and others would like to see in some of their other products, they'd see many other consumers getting on the bandwagon... though without the fanboy mentality, because I can read between the lines, unlike some (or many, actually).
 
Not sure what to make of this

My decision making process:

New retina MBP

Pros:
-Retina display
-lighter

Cons:
-Doesn't appear to be upgradeable in the future to bigger/faster HDs, meaning I'd have to spend a lot more day one
-RAM doesn't appear to be upgradeable in the future, meaning I'd have to spend a lot more day one
-No built in ethernet port; I loathe adapters and as I am a network engineer this is important for me.
-HDMI port; seems un-apple like to me, I don't like this.


New MBP (non-retina)

Pros:
-Built in ethernet port
-Upgradeable RAM and HD
-All ports down one side, aesthetically I think this looks better


Cons:
-No retina display, why is this not even an option?
-Has optical drive but at least it's free
-As heavy as current laptop


Two points I would add:
1. I'd be interested to see a 13' MBP with a retina display.
2. I would have preferred to see a two drive option in the 15" MBP like in the iMacs. This would have a good way to use the optical drive space and distinguish it as a pro model. I think Apple have missed the mark with this update.
 
Why can they keep the price on new ipad, but can't with the new MBP? The $2199 or $2499 is too expensive!
 
I'm surprised that they didn't use 4 TB ports and leave out USB altogether since TB is so popular.
 
revelated said:
For Apple's stance on "professional" development one need only look at Final Cut X.

Anyway, I saw a lot of glaring problems with this update. I already know I'll get downvoted. I don't care.

  1. No 17" means they're abandoning the power user group. The 17" had more ports, more raw horsepower potential. 15" can't compare, not even this one.
  2. No matte screen option is straight up silly. At least use the screen style of the Air which lessens the glare, but why take away the choice?
  3. Price is prohibitive considering they cut so much out of the thing.
  4. Of all things why HDMI? I'm not criticizing it, maybe people want it, but an extra USB or even a MHL port would have been preferred.
  5. No optical drive yet the thing isn't that much lighter. Battery isn't that much more either, which negates the whole "amazing battery life".

I could go on and on, especially about that price. But whatever. Looks like I'll be riding my 17" till it dies then jumping back to PC laptops.
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ROFL some people just love to complain

Look you can still get all the old non-retina MBPs, with all the old tech.

Clearly retina required a redesign of the entire laptop, and Apple did that.

It's a 2KG 15" laptop. Show me another one, please. Any brand or price. Oh, nothing... surprise!

The 17" had the exact same horsepower than the 15 for years now. So I have no idea what you mean by "raw horsepower"?!

You've answered you matte criticism already.

The only thing I agree with: HDMI. WTF? I also have no use for an SD card reader. Or dedicated graphics. But SD seems to be big with people, and dedicated gfx is for perception - oh, look, it's Pro. I guess it's also good to drive 2 external displays. Other than that most people will run in battery saving integrated graphics mode 99% of the time and never know it...
 
finalcut said:
indeed. Th street price is just a bit lower, so a good price from Apple. However, this is not the case for the hard drive.

We'll get non upgradable disk at a premium price :/
And probably not the fastest on the market, just like we saw with samsung in MBA in the past :(
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Apple seems to be using the Samsung 830 SSD's. and they are the most reliable on the market. I would take reliability over speed any day. It's still plenty fast, but I'd rather not have to deal with drive failures.
 
truelies said:
Why can they keep the price on new ipad, but can't with the new MBP? The $2199 or $2499 is too expensive!
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There's a lot of expensive components to it potentially including the retina display. GT 650M, 8GB RAM, i7 2.3GHz quad-core Ivy Bridge CPU, big battery, "retina" display, thin and light, 256GB SSD, etc.
 
Audio/Mic differences?

Hello all! - I'm new to posting here :)

Under http://www.apple.com/macbook-pro/specs/ I've noticed that between the Retina and non-Retina Macbook Pro that there's a microphone and possible speaker difference.
I'm pretty sure only the Retina model comes with dual-mic, but I'm not sure what the speaker difference is like.
On http://www.apple.com/macbook-pro/features/ it goes over how Apple has improved the speaker design. Does the non-Retina model come with the same newly designed speakers? Has anyone heard a difference between the two?
I know, not a huge deal either way, but I've been following this forum (which is very addicting) since February when I decided that my next desktop and laptop will be an Apple device. I'm now weighing the pro's and con's of the Retina and non-Retina models of the Macbook Pro. So far, it seems the non-Retina w/anti-glare, and do-it-myself RAM and SSD upgrades may be the way to go. If money were no object, I'd likely jump on a decked out Retina model, however, money is a concern and I'd like to get the most bang for my buck. Ahhh... decisions, decisions...
P.S. I'm disappointed that there's been no news on an iMac refresh or redesign! However, maybe it's a good thing. I can buy a Macbook Pro for now, then save money to buy a decked out iMac when they're released. ::thinking positively:: :)
 
milo said:
It did get a "silent" update and probably its worst ever. For those worried about the MP...those worries have been confirmed.
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Yup. I can't believe it. what a pathetic update. I bought a 2010 12 core before Christmas and it still screams so for me, I'm ok, but there sure seems to be alot of folks who were waiting for an update. ouch.
 
rcha101 said:
My decision making process:
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Looks like you've evaluated them for your own needs pretty thoroughly - nice :D

Just going to add my two cents to them to show the difference in our needs:

New retina MBP

Pros:
-Retina display
-lighter

Cons:
-Doesn't appear to be upgradeable in the future to bigger/faster HDs, meaning I'd have to spend a lot more day one
-RAM doesn't appear to be upgradeable in the future, meaning I'd have to spend a lot more day one
-No built in ethernet port; I loathe adapters and as I am a network engineer this is important for me.
-HDMI port; seems un-apple like to me, I don't like this.
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Both the pros hold true for me too, but for cons:

* Looking at the closeup of the inside of the body, it actually does look like the HD is not soldered directly onto the logic board. This means that, like the air, someday in the near future a third party company will develop and begin to sell a SSD upgrade option - and the price for these will only go down as time goes on.
* RAM soldered on the board was a bummer for me too, but I bit the (small) bullet of an initial upgrade to 16GB, which I think will futureproof me for quite awhile.
* Sorry that the loss of ethernet is a pain for you, but as I myself haven't used my ethernet port in about 3-4 years, it's no problem for me.
* HDMI is something I wasn't expecting, but I'm actually pretty excited about. It will make it ridiculously easy to connect to TVs in the future for presentations, movie watching, etc.

New MBP (non-retina)

Pros:
-Built in ethernet port
-Upgradeable RAM and HD
-All ports down one side, aesthetically I think this looks better


Cons:
-No retina display, why is this not even an option?
-Has optical drive but at least it's free
-As heavy as current laptop
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As for the Pros, I've already mentioned why these things don't really matter to me, and I'd disagree on the aesthetics (symmetry FTW!)

As for the Cons, I agree with you wholeheartedly, except for the fact that I don't really need the optical drive.

Two points I would add:
1. I'd be interested to see a 13' MBP with a retina display.
2. I would have preferred to see a two drive option in the 15" MBP like in the iMacs. This would have a good way to use the optical drive space and distinguish it as a pro model. I think Apple have missed the mark with this update.
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1. I would be too, and I thought that this would be a deal-breaker for me on this new RMBP. However, after seeing the product, I got over it and ordered.
2. I agree that it would have been nice to have space for another internal drive in theory, but I think it would have compromised their vision.

All in all, I think that the update wasn't as earth-shattering as it could have been (13/15/17 Retina MBPs, 11/13 Retina Airs), but after I've let those expectations go, I'm pretty darn excited about Apple's announcements today.
 
Small White Car said:
Gee, it's too bad they're not still selling the old Macbook Pros alongside this new machine.

What a great idea that would have been. You nailed it.
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So tell me, which machine would you buy if the 'old style' MBP had a BTO retina option?

Anyone else?

I reckon 90% would still buy the bigger MBP....
 
I'm pleased with everything except the soldered on RAM/SSD. I'm a big fan of DIY upgradeability... and it just feels wrong to pay so much for something that doesn't allow this.

I'll probably still end up getting one, though. >_>
 
pacalis said:
So their $500 ipad has a better resolution than their entire computing lineup until you spend $2200?

And I want to do is have two readable pages beside each other in word or excel.

What a total let down.
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I share your thoughts. I want a very high quality iPad 3 like screen on the MBA 11". I guess I'll just wait until next year. I don't want something so big (and the iPad can't do OSX or Windows 7)
 
faroZ06 said:
You're only going to use a lot if you do video editing. Aren't desktops meant for that? Laptops had 80GB hard drives until a few years ago.

And even if you are editing video on your laptop, you should use an external hard drive. You're not supposed to edit video on your bootup disk.
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Says who..? You? The 17" MBP is a very capable mobile video workstation. Personally I do a lot of editing on it when I am outstation. And guess what? I have an internal 1 TB HD installed and divided into 3 partitions which I use, to *gasp* edit videos without the need for external HDs. :rolleyes:
 
dinjin201 said:
Apple seems to be using the Samsung 830 SSD's. and they are the most reliable on the market. I would take reliability over speed any day. It's still plenty fast, but I'd rather not have to deal with drive failures.
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Check Anandtech for SSD benchmarks - looks like those new Apple SSDs are around 500MB r/w sustained... plenty fast...
 
motulist said:
Unfortunately it turns out that I am exactly right. Look at the screen in this video and you'll see that the new retina screen looks basically as glossy as a standard glossy screen.

click the first video on the page and jump to 1:30

http://www.engadget.com/2012/06/11/apple-next-generation-macbook-pro-with-retina-display-hands-on/
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Right. That's disappointing.

Well, we can take away one positive thing about this—at least anti-glare is on Apple's mainstream radar. After years of online petitions and complaining, they have finally stood up in a keynote and advertised less glare as a feature. So like an addict making its first steps to full recovery, I feel Apple has made some progress away from the obsession with mirror-like surfaces, and that has to be a good thing. Now, with technologies like the so-called invisible glass being developed, perhaps we can look forward to a day where reflective Apple screens (even on iOS devices?) are a thing of the past. In the meantime, I do most of my serious work attached to a 30 inch display—an older Apple Cinema Display, but at least I can replace that with a non-Apple display if I need to.

Trying to see the positives here! :)

The poor MacPro users though… They have very little to feel positive about today. :(
 
Eric S. said:
I'm glad I got my Sandy Bridge MBP when I did. It has everything I need, including optical drive and ethernet, and it runs Snow Leopard. Wins all around.
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Newsflash: You can still get that MBP, except now with Ivy Bridge, including optical drive. No Snow Leopard but I am not entirely sure what the advantage is of that??
 
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