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i have 2 web browsers side by side now and i can see 100% of each webpage. i could get three on here if i wanted to but my res won't allow my text to be legible.

but the new screen would make the text sharper and easier to see.

exactly as i understand it. you won't be able to fit more webbrowsers since the usable space is essentially 1440x900. but since the pixel density is higher, everything will be sharper
 
$2199? Who has that kind of money to blow on a laptop? Is it really worth more than a thousand more than the 13" macbook pro? Sad to say, but Retina is not ready for prime time at those zany prices.
 
Completely false.

Graphic designers and photographers will need all the space they can get. I would know, I do both. Throw in a personal music library and that hard drive will fill up rather quickly. My music library alone is 315gb large. The rest of my documents are another 300gb and thats taking into consideration that a lot of it has been moved to optical media for storage as well as all my movies living on another hard drive connected to a router acting as a server. So the 300gb of documents are my working files which are ESSENTIALS (stock photos, fonts, vector stocks, projects, portfolio, client files, etc. I have a client that I consistently do work for which their folder on my hard drive takes up 27gb).

I'm gonna flat out say it that these kind of assumptions and generalizations from the macrumors forum are OFFENSIVE to me as they contribute nothing but a personal outlook on what someONE may think what a collective MILLIONS should have. I'm sick of these comments on the forum speaking for the rest of the community without considering the uses or the workflow of other people.

Most people don't have servers or 315GB music libraries. This is MacRumors. I've used tons of space on my iMac, and I manage a Mac Mini server. Most Mac users just have 13" MacBook Pros that they use for school or work and keep about 200GB at most on it. Most people don't even use Macs.
 
Completely false.

Graphic designers and photographers will need all the space they can get. I would know, I do both. Throw in a personal music library and that hard drive will fill up rather quickly. My music library alone is 315gb large. The rest of my documents are another 300gb and thats taking into consideration that a lot of it has been moved to optical media for storage as well as all my movies living on another hard drive connected to a router acting as a server. So the 300gb of documents are my working files which are ESSENTIALS (stock photos, fonts, vector stocks, projects, portfolio, client files, etc. I have a client that I consistently do work for which their folder on my hard drive takes up 27gb).

I'm gonna flat out say it that these kind of assumptions and generalizations from the macrumors forum are OFFENSIVE to me as they contribute nothing but a personal outlook on what someONE may think what a collective MILLIONS should have. I'm sick of these comments on the forum speaking for the rest of the community without considering the uses or the workflow of other people.

Only an idiot walks around with 315gb of music on his notebook. Seriously.

i have about 100 PC games but they aint all installed on my MBP Bootcamp.

A Notebook is not a vault of digital information.

Go buy the OLD MBP and put a 1TB HDD in. The future is here and sadly its not for you.
 
displayport is gone? yet when you configure the laptop on apple.com they are still offering displayport cables

how do you connect a monitor to this thing?

The displayport protocol works over thunderbolt, hence the same connector. Connect the displayport monitor to the thunderbolt port
 
$2199? Who has that kind of money to blow on a laptop? Is it really worth more than a thousand more than the 13" macbook pro? Sad to say, but Retina is not ready for prime time at those zany prices.

Yeah, and few things can take advantage of it. I can only see this being useful for large photo editing or 3D design.

A maxed-out MBP costs $3049 plus the cost of upgrading the RAM and hard drive (if you don't buy them pre-installed, which costs more).
 
Only an idiot walks around with 315gb of music on his notebook. Seriously.

i have about 100 PC games but they aint all installed on my MBP Bootcamp.

A Notebook is not a vault of digital information.

Go buy the OLD MBP and put a 1TB HDD in. The future is here and sadly its not for you.

Excuse me? Who are you to tell me how I should manage my files? Youre doing a BRILLIANT job on living up to the stereotype of mac users being arrogant.

The joke is on you though, I *do* have an 'old' MBP with the ODD taken out and an additional 1TB drive put in place of it alongside a 120gb SSD drive for OS X and Applications only.

Get real.
 
Only an idiot walks around with 315gb of music on his notebook. Seriously.

i have about 100 PC games but they aint all installed on my MBP Bootcamp.

A Notebook is not a vault of digital information.

Go buy the OLD MBP and put a 1TB HDD in. The future is here and sadly its not for you.

Not an idiot, just someone with an abnormally large amount of music. Most people don't even need 256GB at all. The MacBooks from 2006 had 80GB hard drives.

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Excuse me? Who are you to tell me how I should manage my files? Youre doing a BRILLIANT job on living up to the stereotype of mac users being arrogant.

The joke is on you though, I *do* have an 'old' MBP with the ODD taken out and an additional 1TB drive put in place of it alongside a 120gb SSD drive for OS X and Applications only.

Get real.

Yes, you are clearly not an average user. If you want more space in your MacBook Pro, you have the skills to put more in.
 
Only an idiot walks around with 315gb of music on his notebook. Seriously.

i have about 100 PC games but they aint all installed on my MBP Bootcamp.

A Notebook is not a vault of digital information.

Go buy the OLD MBP and put a 1TB HDD in. The future is here and sadly its not for you.

I love it. Why does anyone need 1TB HDD space? A notebook is not a vault of digital information? Yeah, not now. They were last year though. WELCOME TO THE LAND OF TOMORROW! The future is here! And this future...is a quarter of the space I used to have?

Oh well. At least it's faster.

Also 315GB of music? Isn't that, like...all the music ever?

Yes, you are clearly not an average user.

I love this even more. "Well you're a computer MINORITY! Apple goes for regular consumers now! Your usage scenario is stupid, and only a small percentage of everyone ever does things that way"!

Apple Computers: For those who want to be the best...among the average.

...sigh.
 
Youre doing a BRILLIANT job on living up to the stereotype of mac users being arrogant.

Yep, that guy can afford an expensive laptop, has no games on it, and hates Apple criticizers. Those stereotypes aren't that real, but it's what the typical computer redneck thinks.
 
A machine with only 256GB of hard drive for over 2K?
No thanks.

It's beautiful but that hard drive is a joke for over 2K!
 
Most people don't have servers or 315GB music libraries. This is MacRumors. I've used tons of space on my iMac, and I manage a Mac Mini server. Most Mac users just have 13" MacBook Pros that they use for school or work and keep about 200GB at most on it. Most people don't even use Macs.

Most don't, some do. I have a large collection of music, others have a large collection of something else, be it photographs, movies, etc.

Youre in no position to dictate how people should manage their files. Youre also in no position to make wild assumptions of what 'most' people have. Face it, hard drives are expanding out of necessity. Don't make it seem as if 200gb is plenty for years to come. I keep all of my stuff on my laptop because its conveniant. And no, i dont worry about it being lost as I have an exact clone of my secondary hard drive in my macbook which holds all of my data, my boot drive holds nothing except for applications and OS X). I've gone even further and spread out irreplaceable stuff, like personal photographs, and spread them out on optical media as well as on two hard drives. So even in worst case scenario, what I can't create again I have three copies of.

I'm completely floored by your comments.
 
I love it. Why does anyone need 1TB HDD space? A notebook is not a vault of digital information? Yeah, not now. They were last year though. WELCOME TO THE LAND OF TOMORROW! The future is here! And this future...is a quarter of the space I used to have?

Oh well. At least it's faster.

Also 315GB of music? Isn't that, like...all the music ever?

My iMac has 2TB in it. It's insanely fat. If I had a laptop, I'd just use an external hard drive because you're not supposed to edit video on your bootup disk.

As for the SSD, you'd be surprised how much it affects your performance. The MacBook Air with an SSD boots up insanely quickly.
 
i have 2 web browsers side by side now and i can see 100% of each webpage. i could get three on here if i wanted to but my res won't allow my text to be legible.

but the new screen would make the text sharper and easier to see.

Also the dock can be resized there are tons of tweaks.

Is it really that difficult to read text on current MBPs? Would 1000ppi screen make it even easier to see/read? What's the threshold resolution/pixel density at which point increased density does not matter? I think current good screens (like Sony Vaio Z 1920x1080) are somewhere close. We'll see if new MBP screens will actually produce any benefits.
 
1080P content from the iTunes store, 1080P capable AppleTV and large internal and external hard drives didn't replace Blu Ray, per se, they just made the investment in expensive Blu Ray content unnecessary.

Apple may have made strides to make their iTunes downloads "Near Blu-Ray quality". They have largely succeeded, however they still can't match it. Also I've managed to pick up a large number of classics on Blu-Ray pretty cheaply that don't seem to be in HD on iTunes, like Saving Private Ryan. I'm not knocking Apple's iTunes, I do sometimes rely on it to download odd episodes of a TV series. The Storage of Blu-Ray is also going up, with 50GB Blu-Ray discs becoming a rapid standard over the single-layer 25GB disc. Blu-Ray could well stay the standard for the next generation of HD with 4K etc, especially as Sharp has managed to produce 100GB Discs. Sadly old Blu-Ray players won't run them but it's a sure sign that Blu-Ray is a standard that's here to stay.
 
Can someone tell me if the chipset on the i7 (retina macbook pro) have hyper threading like the Mac Pro or top end iMac? I wanted to know if Quad CPU 4 + Virtual core 4 = 8. Thanks.
 
Most don't, some do. I have a large collection of music, others have a large collection of something else, be it photographs, movies, etc.

Youre in no position to dictate how people should manage their files. Youre also in no position to make wild assumptions of what 'most' people have. Face it, hard drives are expanding out of necessity. Don't make it seem as if 200gb is plenty for years to come. I keep all of my stuff on my laptop because its conveniant. And no, i dont worry about it being lost as I have an exact clone of my secondary hard drive in my macbook which holds all of my data, my boot drive holds nothing except for applications and OS X). I've gone even further and spread out irreplaceable stuff, like personal photographs, and spread them out on optical media as well as on two hard drives. So even in worst case scenario, what I can't create again I have three copies of.

I'm completely floored by your comments.

I'm sorry for offending you, but I was just stating what the general user does. It obviously cannot be applied to some people. It probably can't be applied to most people at MacRumors. The truth is that there are people out there who don't know how hard drives work. You shouldn't be offended by that generalization.

Also, do you NEED all of that stuff with you all the time? I actually set up my iMac as an internet-connected AFP and SSH host so I can get my files if I really need to, and I can even run my iTunes library over the internet. I have only 56GB used on my MacBook because of this.
 
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My iMac has 2TB in it. It's insanely fat. If I had a laptop, I'd just use an external hard drive because you're not supposed to edit video on your bootup disk.

As for the SSD, you'd be surprised how much it affects your performance. The MacBook Air with an SSD boots up insanely quickly.

I know exactly what an SSD can do for a computer. The best case scenario for a laptop would be an SSD (a SSD? Grammar confusion) as your boot, and a magnetic drive for file storage. Problem is, Apple can't cram that into the new slim form factor, so you're stuck only with the SSD.

Now you could drive an external RAID array over thunderbolt, and have as much space as you want. That's what I'd do if I got the new MBP. Problem with that is for someone constantly on the go, that's a cumbersome solution. Having to carry it, the laptop, and all the necessary cords would make it considerably less portable than the default MBP is now.

It's not a solution that fits every need. The new MBP fits within a static margin of "it works". But "it works" doesn't necessary mean it works well, at least not for every usage situation.
 
It looks like a great product. But I will wait until next year when the same screen hits the air. I can understand why people would be excited about this though. :cool:
 
Now lets let the industry try and catch up for a whole year, again.

Great next gen. screen on the 15" and a screen from the Ark of Noah on the MacBook "Pro" 13".

Seriously, couldn't they at least put the 1440x900 air screen in there to make it competitive with modern computers?

BTW is there still the stupid ultra-glossy glass cover on the new retina MBP15?

That's the other thing the MBA has going for it: an anti-reflection coated screen and not another 2 uncoated air-glass interfaces as on the "glossy" Macs...

I think I'll wait for the 2013 MBA... (the 2011 that I run now is just a bit short of RAM when runnings VMs)

And whilst I'm ranting - does 200-300dpi make sense on a laptop screen - I find 130dpi enough at normal viewing distances - I guess I'll have to check it out in person. Still after 2 years with the HiRes 2010 MBP15, and now a year with the 2011 MBA13 - there is no way that I can go back to a 15" laptop, even if it is thinner...
 
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