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Apple Introduces Standalone 'Passwords' App

"If you password protect a Notes file, a family member or friend using your phone still wouldn't have access to said document."

If you don't share Apple ID's your family member will not have access to any of your photos, notes, files etc unless you explicitly share them.
 
I would like to cancel my 1Password subscription….however, will this new Passwords app allow multiple domains in one entry? That was always the biggest issue with iCloud Keychain for me. Without that being fixed, I’m still stuck.
 
truthsteve said:
They rewrote the app like 3 times (because of their failures from the CTO) and added passkey support. That deserves $250 from me? And it's STILL BUGGY AS HELL?

I'm not one to celebrate sherlocking an app, but 1Password deserves to rot into the ground.
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No doubt some big brain individual there thought they would save time and effort by using the magical platform of the moment like Electron, then they got in too deep and found out it was ****. Then they probably big brained themselves into React Native, and same ****, and probably switched to Flutter this time. Gee, I wonder if they picked the right magical cross platform solution that isn't utter garbage this time...

I've seen this trash too much in the development field and it's all cancer every time IMO.
 
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More competition and choice is always welcome.

I've been with 1password since quite a long time, probably a bit more than 10 years now, and I'm still happy with it. I have a discounted subscription (-50%) until August 2025 so I'm in no rush to switch to another service, but I'll follow this Apple alternative closely.
 
Bummed you can't store driving licenses, cards, copies of wills, important docs, etc all in one place.

This app is no different to me as I had a shortcut in my dock to load the passwords section in settings.
 
ianfieldhouse said:
Passwords on Sonoma already has a Watchtower type thing. Passwords you've created for sites that support OTP have the option to set one up if you haven't already done so. As for vaults, you can create shared groups that might offer similar functionality. Just create a group and don't share it with anyone if you don't want to. It doesn't appear you can archive items or view history.

I'm not saying Passwords will be for everyone but was simply highlighting that a lot of the features people are saying are dealbreakers are actually already in the existing Passwords settings in Sonoma, never mind this new Passwords app. Combined with secure notes in the Notes app with get you a good deal of the functionality of something like 1Password and, for me, was all the functionality I needed.
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I'm glad it works for you! Always great with one less subscription.
Personally, I would never want to lose history and archive.

And regarding the OTP, I'm talking about sites that didn't have it when you created the login, but add it later. 1P alerts you about this and tells you that you can update your login with 2FA. Same with sites that add support for PK afterwards.

And that's just a small part of Watchtower. You also have the stuff I mentioned earlier, like alerting you if a site has been breached, which of your logins have weak passwords, if you use same password on multiple sites, etc.

And again, you're placing everything you own (digitally) into the hands of Apple, not only your data that you store with Apple but also access to data outside of Apple. Storing everything like that with the same player is horrible from a security point of view. Even if Apple Passwords were better and provided more features than 1P, I would not want to use it simply for that reason.

That said, I'm not loyal to 1P. I'm following Proton Pass development very closely. I have also looked into self-hosting Bitwarden. There are many options. Apple Passwords is just not personally ever going to be one for me.
 
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Tanax said:
And that's just a small part of Watchtower. You also have the stuff I mentioned earlier, like alerting you if a site has been breached, which of your logins have weak passwords, if you use same password on multiple sites, etc.
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Passwords settings has all of this already.

I'm not trying to persuade anyone to move from their password manager of choice, I'm just pointing out features that already exist in the password settings and will no doubt be carried over in to the Passwords app. Lots of people are saying "it needs feature X" when it's quite clear they've not checked out the existing passwords setting anytime recently and are just muddying the conversation as it makes people reading this forums think these are missing features.
 
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ianfieldhouse said:
Passwords settings has all of this already.

I'm not trying to persuade anyone to move from their password manager of choice, I'm just pointing out features that already exist in the password settings and will no doubt be carried over in to the Passwords app. Lots of people are saying "it needs feature X" when it's quite clear they've not checked out the existing passwords setting anytime recently and are just muddying the conversation as it makes people reading this forums think these are missing features.
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That's great if that's the case.

You can't really blame them though when Apple has hidden this deep in the settings until now. Extremely poor design.
It's good that they're changing it, but I think it's fair that people don't know about all the features of Apple Passwords.

Again though, as I've already said, even if they are on feature parity or is better than 1P, I wouldn't switch to Apple Passwords. Just like I'm not using Apple Email Relay, Apple VPN, etc.

I prefer to keep those things separate from my Apple account.
 
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turbineseaplane said:
All y’all thinking you’re going to Apple PW and avoiding a subscription….

Careful with the long term assumptions there

Apple is a wagon firmly hitched to services revenue growth.
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If they tie things like pw autofill only to Safari, it's just another form of Cupertino lock-in masquerading as the 'amaaaazing user experience.' Given my feelings about lock-in and iCloud reliability, I wouldn't be quick to drop my current password manager for this until we see the final product's capabilities. Also, I'm leery of any one company holding access to my passwords AND the ability to authenticate/use my devices ... seems like a glaring single point of failure by accident or intentional disruption.

For it to be a true password manager alternative (in my view) it needs to be not only cross-platform, but support other products/platforms equally and make it easy to export / backup your credentials.
 
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Tanax said:
That's great if that's the case.

You can't really blame them though when Apple has hidden this deep in the settings until now. Extremely poor design.
It's good that they're changing it, but I think it's fair that people don't know about all the features of Apple Passwords.

Again though, as I've already said, even if they are on feature parity or is better than 1P, I wouldn't switch to Apple Passwords. Just like I'm not using Apple Email Relay, Apple VPN, etc.

I prefer to keep those things separate from my Apple account.
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It's Settings -> Passwords. So hidden.
 
meetajhu said:
LMAO at the people who's saying bye bye 1password. They got no clue what 1password does apart from just storing passwords.
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Also thinking that Apple users are the only customers AgileBits ( AB ) have...

AB are branching into B2B, also software development life cycle with solutions to incorporate 1Password into C.I pipelines, Command Line tools for scripting / automation.

I do hope this prompts AB to review some of their less popular decisions...
 
joker00 said:
Dear Apple, please add categories like credit cards, rewards, drivers licenses, etc. so I can totally feel good about getting rid of 1password
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Also store the credit card CVS code which Apple doesn’t do with their credit card autofill.
 
ianfieldhouse said:
I moved from 1Password to the Passwords section in settings and secure Notes about 6 months ago and have never looked back.
  • You can get site passwords including OTP into Passwords by simply exporting from 1Password and then importing into Passwords
  • Autofill already works across all browsers (though not as seamlessly as Safari) by right clicking in the form field and selecting AutoFill then Passwords...
  • OTP are supported and autofilled for you
  • PassKeys are supported
  • Any general items (images, notes, etc) I store in the Notes app as secure notes.
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Notes isn’t multi platform.
 
Abazigal said:
Storing passwords and generating new passwords is basically what I use 1password for.
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I use both Apple’s passwords and 1Password, though I’m in a slow migration to Apple’s already. I cancelled my 1Password subscription (or rather, I was a prior 1Password user who upgraded and used the free month trial but wasn’t really impressed). My 1Password is in read-only mode, but I’m noticing that I’m far more likely to generate a new password in Apple Passwords than I ever was for 1Password, maybe because I can do it without leaving Safari when I’m signing up on a new site.
 
I just renewed my 1 Password subscription, so that'll give me time to see if this works as well.
 
BLtheP said:
I would like to cancel my 1Password subscription….however, will this new Passwords app allow multiple domains in one entry? That was always the biggest issue with iCloud Keychain for me. Without that being fixed, I’m still stuck.
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As with most Apple options, if you are expecting flexibility and adaptability….prepare to be let down

It’s humorous to me how many folks think this wipes out 1P

Not at all … not if you are actually using all the power and cross platform usefulness of 1P
 
turbineseaplane said:
As with most Apple options, if you are expecting flexibility and adaptability….prepare to be let down

It’s humorous to me how many folks think this wipes out 1P

Not at all … not if you are actually using all the power and cross platform usefulness of 1P
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I used iCloud keychain since it's inception, up until 2019 when I switched to 1Password because I had enough with the lack of multiple domain options on one entry. I'm well aware of the pros and cons of each. 1Password is okay, I just hate having subscriptions. The functions of 1Password or Keychain/Passwords could 100% be a free app provided by Apple. And it looks like they are trying to do that, but are not quite there.

1Password will have them beat on cross platform, yes. That was the other reason I switched. Windows laptops at work and I was tired of my stuff not syncing between the two. All that said, I have had plenty of 1P growing pains too. Back then it barely integrated with browsers, making for an overall pretty painful experience.

I like the Apple version better on the phones, it is better integrated there. Overall there is no perfect solution, I'm just tired of subscriptions. But if the functionality is not there, I will continue on with 1P as I have for 5 years now.
 
PlasmStudios said:
I'm gonna wait for this to become more feature rich before I move over from 1Password. Plus, it can't be smart to put all your security eggs in one basket (Apple ID).
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I posted how this was bad. My daughter was locked out of her Apple ID and couldn’t access anything. We have 1Password and good thing too, she was able to access her passwords still on a different device.
 
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