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Apple Introduces Standalone 'Passwords' App
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The existing Passwords settings already supports this.
I take it most people haven’t looked at the Password settings in a while? Lots of features people are asking about are already there in Sonoma, never mind this new app.
I can’t agree strongly enough with all the 1P haters. I am enthusiastically one as well, push there by their forced upgrades and pricing model.
I actually switched to Bitwarden a year ago and have been pretty pleased. It’s free, has iOS and MacOS clients, and I’m self hosting on my NAS so it syncs immediately everywhere. However, the install is somewhat complex and there are a few potential nasty failure points. Also, the UI is a little rough around the edges.
Very happy to see this Apple implementation. Cost will be no different (still free) and the UI will be more polished. Looking forward to playing with it.
I actually switched to Bitwarden a year ago and have been pretty pleased. It’s free, has iOS and MacOS clients, and I’m self hosting on my NAS so it syncs immediately everywhere. However, the install is somewhat complex and there are a few potential nasty failure points. Also, the UI is a little rough around the edges.
Very happy to see this Apple implementation. Cost will be no different (still free) and the UI will be more polished. Looking forward to playing with it.
I've been happy so far with Codebook for that. I've been a 1Passwd user since 1.0 [or slightly before], but for the last several years have not been happy with the direction the company has gone. Never got an account or subscribed - using v7 and was able to migrate 1000s of non-login based items to Codebook. It was time consuming, since I don't use the current version of 1Password, but Codebook can handle it. I bought the app as a one time purchase, and they allow by default offline local libraries. Though version 5.0 which is in beta, may require a Codebook Cloud account? I'm using v4.x and am happy with it, but I am not interested in using their cloud syncing; their forums have a lot of good info about what's coming, but I've not been on their forums for quite some time.
I am looking forward to the Apple native Passwords app. I think I will be migrating my folks to that, though I do wonder what non-login data it can store [multiple profile addresses, software licenses, bank account/CC info, etc].
You could save those in Notes as a locked note. There is some such functionality in the passwords app on MacOS as well. Not sure how that transfers to the iOS app then…
Easier and faster development (and platform design consistency) when you have the elements already in your library for a common use case. How you you visually represent interactive categories of data, where each category has interactive but structured (repeating) data elements?
Reminders > Types of Reminders > Individual Reminders with structured data (date/time, content)
Passwords > Types of Credentials > Individual Credentials with structured data (username, password, URL)
User adoption is more successful when the user can intuitively use the feature with familiar design elements (I can categorize, color code, label, etc. my passwords just the same as I already can for my reminders!)
Not necessarily, but I’m sure there’s some serious conversations going on at LastPass and 1-Password about how this new Apple feature/app could potentially affect their future, in particular their revenue. Time will tell.
All password apps seem to be horrible, although I haven’t minded LastPass and its shortfalls too much. It will be interesting to see how apple’s iteration of a password manager is. They are not always that great at software, but we’ll see.
Are they going to do something about businesses that need shared folders of passwords/notes/api keys/etc
Are they going to do something about businesses that need shared folders of passwords/notes/api keys/etc
2FA has been supported by Apple's current built in Passwords feature in System Settings for quite some time now.
Have not read all the comments. I have 1PW and still use it, but stopped upgrading when it went to the sub model. Looked at Bitwarden, but did not want to be beholden to another corp. Settled on KeepassXC. Not perfect, but it is fine, and secure, and private, and FOSS. I would love to investigate Apple Passwords, but am pretty sure my older Mac will not run it. If you are interested:
I am one of the few that actively used the function in MacOS (app) and iOS (in Settings app) and I am sure all was there as far as the database concerned, the first iterations of OS X used to have a file ‘Keychain’ that I kept and transferred after upgrading my OS.
This is basically just a cosmetic UI thingie that wraps a more user friendly approach to the whole thing.
I also use the generated complex passwords of the iOS function hidden within Settings, and it works rock solidly. Also, this is a function that Mac OS offers in Safari, and they sync perfectly. I have barely any password that I can memorise, since years.
Add to that those auto generated email aliases from iCloud, and you’re basically in stealth mode.
I love it, and I love it that it will be more accessible. I have shown this to pretty some people that had no clue of having all their passwords and credentials at their fingertips.
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I don't think they care all that much, given their focus on enterprisey customers.
The current version of Passwords in the Settings app has supported Family Sharing [you can make groups and share them].
I think we have been replying to the same questions and it is interesting to see so many people in this forum asking for features that have already existed with the current version of Passwords [in the Settings app]. I am happy this is going from a System Setting into its own app - hopefully that will make discovery of it easier.
The Keychain/passwords is not only available by the settings menu. Go to your home screen, type in 'pass' and the option to go right to passwords is right there. Why does everyone make it sound like finding passwords in the phone is so excrutiating?
iOS 18, iPadOS 18, and macOS Sequoia feature a new, dedicated Passwords app for faster access to important credentials.
The Passwords app replaces iCloud Keychain, which is currently only accessible via a menu in Settings. Now, passwords are available directly via a standalone app for markedly quicker access, bringing it more in line with rival services.
The Passwords app consolidates various credentials, including passwords, passkeys, and Wi-Fi passwords, into a single, easily accessible location. Users can filter and sort their accounts based on various criteria, such as recently created accounts, credential type, or membership in shared groups.
Passwords is also compatible with Windows via the iCloud for Windows app, extending its utility to users who operate across different platforms.
The developer beta versions of iOS 18, iPadOS 18, and macOS Sequoia are available today with official release to the public scheduled for the fall, providing an early look at the Passwords app.
Article Link: Apple Introduces Standalone 'Passwords' App
The way 1Password treated their customers during the transition from native to electron just happened to coincide with them getting a dirty great big amount of third-party investment so their share value skyrocketed. Naturally the reason they chose to go electron and subscription had nothing todo with benefiting the customer but everything todo with cutting costs and squeezing their (at the time) loyal fanbase for all they were worth.
What made it extra poisionous was that to counter the criticism they were doing social media & PPC sponsored post dumps everywhere proclaiming how beloved they were, using a flaw in the app store to reset their reviews at each minor version release to erase all the negative reviews, and anyone who dared critique them on their forums got banned and their paid accounts removed.
In summary, I (alike many others) would be plenty happy to see the shills at 1Password wiped out of business.
What made it extra poisionous was that to counter the criticism they were doing social media & PPC sponsored post dumps everywhere proclaiming how beloved they were, using a flaw in the app store to reset their reviews at each minor version release to erase all the negative reviews, and anyone who dared critique them on their forums got banned and their paid accounts removed.
In summary, I (alike many others) would be plenty happy to see the shills at 1Password wiped out of business.
Buy applications from the apple store and don't worry about it?
Are there applications on your phone with separate license keys?
but yes, you can do this on your phone.
Goto home screen.
pull down to access search bar
type in password
got to password
click the "+" symbol at the top to add password.
type in however you want to identify this software.
In the 'notes' or the 'password' section, enter said license key.
Looking forward to this. BUT what happens if you move from ios to Android? Do you lose all your passwords?
Probably not.
Not everyone wants to be in the Apple eco-system ( windows, Linux, Android , corporate users etc ) and I doubt this will be as feature rich.
I’m sure this will appeal to a lot of Mac / iPad / iPhone users but there’s still a lot of users that prefer other solutions.
This will force Agilebits and others to rethink their strategy, more innovation so will benefit the users.
There's a zero chance that I'll ever switch to Android or Windows, but nobody should be comfortable relying on a closed and proprietary password manager. What are the export options offered by Apple? Is it a friendly format that preserves all your data, or some user-hostile XML file?
I’ll check it out but I have been happy with 1Password. I don’t like having everything tied to one company. It’s why I stopped using my iCloud email and made my own domain.
All y’all thinking you’re going to Apple PW and avoiding a subscription….
Careful with the long term assumptions there
Apple is a wagon firmly hitched to services revenue growth.
Careful with the long term assumptions there
Apple is a wagon firmly hitched to services revenue growth.