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DVR is so old, why record stuff when I can stream it whenever I want to. No hardware to fail, no drives to fail... The days of channel surfing are numbered IMHO and having to record something because its not on when its convenient to watch.
I didn't realize streaming included my local and national news.

Not to mention 3 PBS stations and every syndicated show out there. Did I mention it's free?
 
No offense, but you are clearly not an average consumer, hence not the target audience for this device.

I think we need to all step back for a second and realize that we are forum tech nerds that now far more about technology than your average joe. Apple makes devices for average joe who wants simplicity.

Fair enough, I can understand that.
 
This is perfect! I would rather buy all content and store all content on one computer and stream it to my TV. This is small, quiet and cool (cold not hot).

For $99... I'm replacing my current Apple TV which gets smoking hot. I'm glade there is no external power brick.
 
DVR is so old, why record stuff when I can stream it whenever I want to. No hardware to fail, no drives to fail... The days of channel surfing are numbered IMHO and having to record something because its not on when its convenient to watch.

I agree with your last sentence, to a point. I think eventually, viewing on-demand will be the norm. However, there are several obstacles blocking the progression.

1. Cable companies are gonna fight tooth and nail against this until they can demonstrate that they can make more money with a new business model.

2. Content providers are going to balk at this model unless they can make more money with the new model.

3. Consumers won't adopt this approach until it's dead easy to do, and the pricing structure isn't too outrageous.

Here's my dream TV system. A single (non-computer) device that is instant-on and zero-downtime that can record every channel that I subscribe to (via multiple tuners). It can also access on-demand programming from the cable company (or sat provider) as well as the internet. It would also be able to access my photos, music, home videos, etc from all of my computers. This device could be located anywhere, but it would be connected to my network.

I would have a small device located at each TV that can "grab" a tuner from the central device and watch live TV. This box will also be able to stream all media that the central device has access too.

This is a true "whole house" system.

This will never happen as there are too many competeing interests fighting from multiple directions. The best you can hope for is a system that meets as many of these wants as possible.
 
DVR is so old, why record stuff when I can stream it whenever I want to. No hardware to fail....

So the AppleTV will never ever fail? My internet will never ever go down? Ever?

Get real.

Furthermore - Steve wants me to PAY every time I watch something. I can watch it off the DVR for nothing.

Again - get real.
 
DVR is so old, why record stuff when I can stream it whenever I want to. No hardware to fail, no drives to fail... The days of channel surfing are numbered IMHO and having to record something because its not on when its convenient to watch.

until appleTV gets a flat pricing model the days of channel surfing are going to stay. no reason to spend $10 until you find the show you want to watch
 
Rip off

I dont get why anybody would buy AppleTv especially in the uk where you don't get Netflix and it is more expensive because of taxes.All it really does is let you buy(stream) more stuff from itunes and watch youtube on your tv and ive never heard of anyone doing that.Why not just make it a bit bigger and have a few more features maybe a hard drive,1080p video and more video formats, apple should pay more attention to features not the size and looks and dont care how big it is as long as its reasonable it doesn't have to be portable.If you have an iphone or itouch cant you just plug it into your tv wouldn't it do the same thing?
 
the way i look at AppleTV

1) stream your exisiting content from iTunes
2) NetFlix streaming
3) youtube streaming

and
4) occassional Movie Rental

do not think it is going to replace my or anyone else's cable boxes yet.

one thing i want to know whether we can go safari directly with a wireless keyboard with it?
 
Going to pass on this one, my xbox 360 can do more then this.

i have a PS3, but at $99 it looks interesting to me. Price might be biggest seller on the new Apple TV.

not sure how open Apple is and how they want to update software for future and all; there is a lot potential for it.
 
I dont get why anybody would buy AppleTv especially in the uk where you don't get Netflix and it is more expensive because of taxes.All it really does is let you buy(stream) more stuff from itunes and watch youtube on your tv and ive never heard of anyone doing that.Why not just make it a bit bigger and have a few more features maybe a hard drive,1080p video and more video formats, apple should pay more attention to features not the size and looks and dont care how big it is as long as its reasonable it doesn't have to be portable.If you have an iphone or itouch cant you just plug it into your tv wouldn't it do the same thing?

most of the Apple products are US centric (no denial) remember even lots of developed countries does not have iTunes Store yet!
 
I really hope you aren't referring to quality in programming terms. Most of that crap is god awful to be spoonfed to the masses.

Nope. I am just referring to compression rates used for streaming videos. Although you are right about the content too. ATV will offer just a little subset of what Cable TV offers which can not be a good thing, right? I do like to watch football and basketball.
 
It has coax and composite. It could also have RGB.

The entire world wasn't invented in the last half hour you know...:D

I didn't say it was :D

I was just wondering how your current kit was setup. I mean 1 HDMI cable should not be that big of a deal to run to a proper HDMI switching AVR. The wife shouldn't complain (much)... ;)
 
I agree with your last sentence, to a point. I think eventually, viewing on-demand will be the norm. However, there are several obstacles blocking the progression.

1. Cable companies are gonna fight tooth and nail against this until they can demonstrate that they can make more money with a new business model.

2. Content providers are going to balk at this model unless they can make more money with the new model.

3. Consumers won't adopt this approach until it's dead easy to do, and the pricing structure isn't too outrageous.

Here's my dream TV system. A single (non-computer) device that is instant-on and zero-downtime that can record every channel that I subscribe to (via multiple tuners). It can also access on-demand programming from the cable company (or sat provider) as well as the internet. It would also be able to access my photos, music, home videos, etc from all of my computers. This device could be located anywhere, but it would be connected to my network.

I would have a small device located at each TV that can "grab" a tuner from the central device and watch live TV. This box will also be able to stream all media that the central device has access too.

This is a true "whole house" system.

This will never happen as there are too many competeing interests fighting from multiple directions. The best you can hope for is a system that meets as many of these wants as possible.

The business model for cable, satelite and phone companies should be simple. Install a netflix and youtube app into their on set-top boxes. Case closed. You now have the best of both worlds. Everybody wins.
 
And Internet connected tv's, and Xbox 360 and PS3. What's the point of another box again? I don't understand why people are looking forward to this?

Because I'm sick of hearing both of my PS3's fans go crazy after an hour of being on. $99 is a drop in the bucket for a new gadget to play around with.
 
The very fact that people here are complaining about missing features is probably exactly why this new Apple TV will be a success: they've kept it simple.

There are other media devices for people who demand a lot more functionality. I like the idea that content is not kept on the new device - why bother doing that when you already have a PC with a hard drive that can store media? This way the device is smaller and cooler. The old Apple TV got pretty darn hot.
 
The very fact that people here are complaining about missing features is probably exactly why this new Apple TV will be a success: they've kept it simple.

There are other media devices for people who demand a lot more functionality. I like the idea that content is not kept on the new device - why bother doing that when you already have a PC with a hard drive that can store media? This way the device is smaller and cooler. The old Apple TV got pretty darn hot.

Or they could have just start selling bricks. Those are even simpler (just not very useful)
 
What will AirPlay be?

AirPlay is awesome. I often wondered what is a good and comfy way to play music at home. Before you could buy one of these Docks, AUX-cables and stuff, but then you usually have to get up the couch every time you want to skip a song. The iPhone is fixed to one place.
Now you can just turn on your (admittedly really cheap) AppleTV, pull out your iPhone/iPod Touch and play music everywhere around the house, without having to turn on a computer.

That's fine, so long as AirPlay works with ANY source of audio/video on your iOS device.

Can the Pandora app or the XM/Sirius app stream to an AirPlay device? Hulu?

If so, then the lack of apps on the Apple TV is no longer the showstopper I have said it is so far.

And the AirPlay page on Apple's site seems to suggest Apple is open to licensing AirPlay to third parties. If my TiVo can be an AirPlay destination, that would be fantastic.
 
It would be nice if Apple joined open standard (DLNA) instead of building proprietary stuff incompatible with most devices out there.

It would be nice if you would stop beating that horse...it was dead a long time ago.

I think Apple has demonstrated that they understand what consumers want far better than you, so I'll trust their judgment over yours on these matters.
 
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