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Apple Invites Media to October 16 Event: 'It's Been Way Too Long'

yaxomoxay said:
Don't forget numerology.

10/16/2014 --> 10/16/1914, The Belgian army stops the Germans at heavy loss at the battle of Yser. 100 years of wait is "too long". Apple is going to invade Belgium. The logo resembles an invasion plan, the stem is the invading army, the rainbow line is the defending wall.
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We will welcome them (not that we managed to stop any invasion for long:) )
 
It's been way too long

since the last Mac mini update.

since the last iPod touch update.

since the last Apple TV update.
 
New iMac:

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Except, the display is twice as long...
 
Wirbowsky said:
We will welcome them (not that we managed to stop any invasion for long:) )
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True.
Yet, in Barbara Tuchman's masterpiece of WWI history (and Pulitzer Prize), "The Guns of August", you Belgians are the only people that end up being praised as saviors of Europe. Deservedly so.
And the crime of the library of Louvain will never be repaid enough.
 
So the iPhone was introduced in 2007, 20 years after the Newton in 1987.

The Apple Bandai Pippin was introduced in 1995 as Apple tried to take on gaming....2015 would be 20 years later..... perhaps its been "It's Been Way Too Long" since Apple attempted hardcore gaming and will attempt that with a new AppleTV model?
 
Damn, now this just adds fuel to the Mac Mini rumours, as it's definitely been too long. But then you could say the same thing about the displays, or Apple might just mean retina iMacs or… well just about anything really.

Hooray for specificity!
 
please, please, PLEASE let it be a new display as well.
The old TB display is out of date in several ways.
USB, TB and Magsafe are all the old versions.
Plus it would be nice if us New Mac Pro owners didnt have to go to ugly HP and Dell monitors.
So far the LG 31" is the best likley candidate that actually connects by TB and not some adapter or mere DP.
 
UPDATE: Prediction review after the event! I think I was more off this time than last time, if you look at the important predictions.

macduke said:
My best guess, informed yet also made up odds:
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Best bets are iPads, iMac, Thunderbolt Display, and Mac Mini. You gotta have new Mac hardware to show Yosemite! I think Apple TV 4.0 might have a shot as "one more thing", but I'm not super optimistic. I also think they might show a little more on the Apple Watch at this event.
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I tend to agree with your predictions in general.

iPad Air:
  • Ion-X glass [Most likely INCORRECT, there was no mention of it]
  • A8 SoC iff the display resolution is 2048x1536, A8X* iff the display resolution is higher than 2048x1536. [INCORRECT]
  • The CPU is clocked slightly higher than any A8 in the iPhone 6/6+ [To be determined, Apple mentioned 40% over the A7 which points to a higher-than-A8 clock speed but there is the possibility of architectural improvements accounting for some or all of the difference]
  • 2 GB RAM [To be determined, at least 2 GB seems very likely but it might have 4 GB!]
  • 16/64/128 GB storage options [CORRECT]
  • Touch ID [CORRECT]
  • Same prices as the current iPad Air [CORRECT]
  • The 16 GB A7 iPad Air will replace the current A6X iPad [CORRECT]
iPad mini:
  • No iPad mini update in 2014, except for possible price reductions and/or elimination of models [INCORRECT, but see my next post in this thread]
  • If it has an update, then 1 GB RAM (2 GB iff split-screen multitasking is introduced), A8 SoC, Touch ID, and 2048x1536 display [PARTIAL, signs currently point to only the SoC part being wrong, but that's kinda the main part of this prediction]
Retina iMac:
  • 27" Retina iMac [CORRECT]
  • 5120x2880 panel resolution [CORRECT]
  • Haswell refresh CPUs [CORRECT, at least the 4.0 GHz CPU is]
  • The Retina iMac will have AMD graphics with a custom part name (like the Mac Pro's Dx00's), at least one of the parts will use the Tonga chip [PARTIAL, they appear to be standard M290X and M295X chips, the latter uses Tonga]
Other:
  • The other iMacs, except the cheapest one, will get small updates with Haswell refresh CPUs [INCORRECT]
  • Yosemite release on the day of the event or shortly after [CORRECT, specifically the day of the event]
  • iLife and iWork (desktop) updates [CORRECT, also there were mobile updates]
  • iWork for iCloud goes out of beta [To be determined?]
  • No iPad "Pro" [CORRECT]
  • No 12" MacBook [CORRECT]
  • No iPod updates [CORRECT]

Currently I'm around 50-50 on a Mac mini or a Mac Pro update, each, and about 60-70% on 3x Retina for the iPad Air. [Not applicable (I don't grade predictions that are not firm), we had a Mac mini update, no Mac Pro update, and no 3x Retina]

* Here I use "A8X" to refer to any chip with the same CPU microarchitecture and GPU family as the A8 but with more CPU or GPU cores, even if the resulting chip is not actually called the A8X when announced. I expect all A8 variants in iDevices to have 2 CPU cores though.

macduke said:
I think the February event will be the Apple Watch launch, iPad Pro, MacBook Air Retina (perhaps hybrid with iPad Pro?), and perhaps the Apple TV if it doesn't pan out for this event. WWDC might see a MacBook Pro update.
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I think the iPad mini could be updated at the same time as the iPad Pro's announcement if it isn't updated on the 16th. If that happens I wonder if the standard update cycle for the iPads will move from Q4 to Q1/Q2.

macduke said:
Not sure on the Mac Pro. New Intel chips are coming this spring (delayed from this autumn), but another round of even faster new chips are expected by the following autumn.
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I thought the Haswell-EP chips are already released?
 
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Well ... it's been 11 years since Apple introduced their 2560 x 1600 Cinema Display

Well ... it's been almost 11 years since Apple introduced their 30-inch 2560 x 1600 Cinema Display (June 28, 2004).

The current Thunderbolt Display is actually less than that at 2560 x 1440 (27-inch).

I'd say it's been way too long since they upped the resolution on their displays.

The word derelict comes to mind, sadly.
 
iMacmatician said:
Currently I'm around 50-50 on a Mac mini or a Mac Pro update, each, and about 60-70% on 3x Retina for the iPad Air.

I think the iPad mini could be updated at the same time as the iPad Pro's announcement if it isn't updated on the 16th. If that happens I wonder if the standard update cycle for the iPads will move from Q4 to Q1/Q2.

I thought the Haswell-EP chips are already released?
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Yeah I agree with most of the stuff on your list. I doubt the iPad Mini would be updated in the spring. I think they will keep it around as the cheaper option every year, with a slower chip. Not sure why they did that last year, but the iPad definitely won't go back to a spring upgrade cycle. They were missing too many sales during the holidays because of this before.

I have a theory that Apple might use the spring to launch new iPad Pros so that they can test out chip technologies in advance for the autumn iOS device lineup. Not necessarily always something like an A9 chip (year ahead), but stuff like new WiFi chips, advanced Touch ID scanners, new RAM configurations, more of the mundane stuff that they can try out ahead of time. Maybe even advanced GPU options. I think a Pro would definitely have something like an A_X chip. I think that's why Apple stopped marketing iPads as having A_X chips. First of all the device are similar in power now, but second of all they want to differentiate the high-performance iPad Pro from the rest of the devices.

As for Intel chips, I was referring to Broadwell in spring 2015 and Skylake in autumn 2015. Broadwell is the tick (new process, 14nm) and Skylake is the tock (new architecture on 14nm process). The way I understand it, Intel had problems getting the new 14nm process up and running, and so the Broadwell chips were delayed until spring 2015, and that pushes them up against the Skylake release in autumn 2015, which Intel has said they are still planning on for a release date for Skylake even with the delay of Broadwell. So I'm planning on a Skylake Mac upgrade late next year.
 
MyopicPaideia said:
Ok, well the thing is that you're right the jump isn't huge, but the A7 was already so far ahead of the competition, the A8 is icing on the cake. It is all about making design and engineering decisions as a whole. Good article about that here. I am wondering what you are comparing to when you say the iPhone 6 doesn't come close to the Note 3 let alone Note 4. What metric are you using? Because this graphic apparently males the opposite conclusion:
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WOA, thanks for the comparison! I guess i was mis-informed... must be that a lot of smart phones are leveling off in performance? I remember the 5s and note 2 performance being pretty even. I guess the note 3 and 4 have stagnated as well.

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Imory said:
Interesting. Well Tom's hardware has had questionable credibility over the years and has been replaced by Anandtech, GSM Arena, ArsTechnica and Display Mate. All of them mention that the 6 and the 6 Plus have superior screens, which really doesn't surprise me seeing as the 5S screen is basically the screen from the original 5 from 2012.

The 5S is still an excellent phone and in terms of processor performance, the 6/6+ was more of a tick-tock release, but that doesn't negate the fact that the CPU, GPU has been improved, as well as NAND performance, RAM and both cameras.
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The iPhone 6 screen is definitely much brighter than the 5s but doesn't have near the color accuracy. What i was saying is that even with the tick-tock cycle you are not seeing the gains in performance that we are used to between say the 3s and 4.

Again i'm not trying to poo poo it... but think about this. The GPU is a bigger improvement than the CPU. But it also has way more pixel to fill! So in benchmarks the 5s can outperform the iPhone 6 (specifically for OpenGL 3.0).

"Specifically, in "on-screen" native resolution tests using the OpenGL ES 3.0 API, iPhone 6 Plus delivered a score 22 percent lower than last year's iPhone 5s" reference

Of course if you throw the image to the TV the iPhone 6 will of course be better than the 5s.
 
princered said:
It's strictly phone size. I don't normally game on my phone. I would benefit with the extra screen size watching videos and reading articles and books. I do plan on waiting until next year, but honestly after seeing the bigger screens the temptation has been a lot stronger to just go ahead and buy. Not to mention smaller things like the camera with optical stabilization and Apple Pay. Neither of those are as tempting as just the screen size. I find myself waiting to watch certain videos or read longer articles until i get to a desktop either at work or until i get home. Having a bigger screen would eliminate that problem. As far as one handed use and pocket comfort i don't think either of those would be an issue for me. I tend to wear clothing with bigger pockets and one handed use isn't a priority for me. I don't think. I still have to experiment and play around with bigger phones.
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Thanks for sharing your thoughts about it. I'm thinking now that the screen size probably depends on your usage. If you are doing a lot of articles or reading that makes sense. If you use a lot of apps and have to touch a lot of the screen the bigger size might get in the way.

Reading your usage made me realize... i've honestly never watched a movie on a phone or tablet of any size. One time I was at the beach and it started raining so my wife and went in our cabana tent. I had my phone and we watched part of a how i met your mother episode. But i'm sure you are right that if that is how you want to watch movies, the screen size probably makes a difference.
 
I know I already posted this
BUT
The section they chose of the apple is a pressure-sensitive cut away

The way too long is a double entendre referring to the Newton (last product with a stylus) and waacom (and yes I know the pronouciation is different
 
princered said:
I spend more time reading these threads than I do posting. MacRumors is actually the first forum that I've ever joined. Guess my newbie title is fitting. With that said anyone have the does and the don'ts to forum etiquette. I've never followed blogs either. MacRumors and a few YouTube "vlogs" are my first. All tips are welcome!
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Posting a "hi, I'm new" message on a focused topic thread would be one of those "don'ts". :) That would be true on any forum. I'm sure there's a welcome forum somewhere around here...
 
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