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It's fine, as long as they don't say they're taking orders or deposits or reservations or anything like that. The only real consequence of this kind of promotion is that the FCC won't give Apple full confidentiality for their application. Apple chose to disclose the product themselves, so it's not that big a deal, but they also lose some flexibility in keeping implementations details private before release.

What are the FCC doing? It does not take that long to test a phone, and the iPhone should be pretty high up on their list of priorities...
 
What are the FCC doing?
Possibly nothing. Have Apple even submitted their application yet?
It does not take that long to test a phone,
the whole process can take a few months, and the testing is not done by FCC. Apple will need to pay a lab to do the actual work, just like everyone else.
and the iPhone should be pretty high up on their list of priorities...
It's a consumer toy like thousands of others, its really not very important in the real world.
 
What are the FCC doing? It does not take that long to test a phone, and the iPhone should be pretty high up on their list of priorities...

"It does not take that long to test a phone" - You're talking about the government here;)

Shouldn't take long to get your license at the DMV - government...

Should be easy to do your taxes without hiring a professional CPA - government...

Returning wounded warriors should have adequate room/board at Walter Reed Army Hospital - military which is a arm of, you guessed it, - government...

People voted new party into government to change course but all that has happened is non-binding resolutions and talk, talk, talk and no action because the new party in power has no backbone and conviction - government...

You're correct, shouldn't take long to test a phone, but - government...
 
I agree that Apple isn't updating products fast enough. In a PowerPC world, maybe it was ok to update a product once a year, but in the Intel world, PCs get updated almost daily with price drops, new chipsets, faster CPUs. PC companies don't make any fuss because there's constant update.

Apple is still trying to do just a few updates with publicity. This doesn't work in the intel world. It makes their products very outdated unless you buy them immediately after an update.

They need to speed things up. There's no excuse for the Mini not having been updated at the same time as the Macbook.

Apple has alot of attention on them these days. They risk letting the hype get ahead of products. If they don't deliver, people will lose faith in Apple and their stock price and sales will go down.

Products where they're under-delivering include:
iPhone: No 3G. Still vaporware.
Apple TV: limited to 720p, no composite video. Still not available.
Macbook: still shipping with 60gig drive, $250 upgrade for 120gig drive when 120gig drives only cost $80. Everyone else is now shipping 120gig standard.
Leopard: No mention at "MAC"world, in fact no mention of anything "Mac" related at Mac-world. "Secret" features that appear to be non-existent. Early release rumors yet its looking like June is more likely.
Mini: Could have been a great media PC if they have used a 3.5" drive. Desperately needs an update. No desktop between Mini and MacPro.
Video iPod: MIA.
 
Products where they're under-delivering include:
iPhone: No 3G. Still vaporware.
Apple TV: limited to 720p, no composite video. Still not available.
Macbook: still shipping with 60gig drive, $250 upgrade for 120gig drive when 120gig drives only cost $80. Everyone else is now shipping 120gig standard.
Leopard: No mention at "MAC"world, in fact no mention of anything "Mac" related at Mac-world. "Secret" features that appear to be non-existent. Early release rumors yet its looking like June is more likely.
Mini: Could have been a great media PC if they have used a 3.5" drive. Desperately needs an update. No desktop between Mini and MacPro.
Video iPod: MIA.

Why should Apple release the supposed "secret" features of a product before the actual release for sale? Wouldn't it make more sense to show off these new features when Leopard is shipping to stores?

The mini is a great media PC as is. A 3.5" drive would erase the mini. Part of the system's appeal is the very small size, something a 3.5" drive will never allow. Now I'd like to see the 200GB drive available BTO, that would sell me in an instant.

I'd much rather have the Mac Pro/Mini inbetween than simply stuffing a bulky 3.5" HDD into the mini itself.
 
The iphone add is no longer up. I was down there at 1pm today and there was nothing up. Kinda strange that they put something that big up and take it down within hours?

-John

EDIT : sorry, i missed the post earlier. Disregard.
 
Since when did NYC turn communist?
We are still undergoing the transformation that began under Tsar Giuliani.
Um. The communists killed off the Tsars... That's why it was called a Revolution.

If there's one thing I hate more than tired cold war cliches, it's mixed metaphors...

Oh, and to get back on topic-- as soon as I saw the picture of the ad I knew why it was taken down. I find nothing more oppressive than being hemmed in by advertising on all sides. If Times Square wants that look, that's fine, but I'd like a few places of refuge.
 
as of 5pm EDT the "ad" is still down.

Also to clear things up.. The ad was made of the material that would be on the side of a metro bus. From the obverse you see the ad, from the reverse you see a tint to the glass.

Ohhh... that was the problem! The put the stupid ad on inside out... Should have been tint out, image in.
 
Wow. I have to say that NYC really has turned into a Communist society.

My co-worker, who is originally from Russia said that he noticed that the US was becoming more and more like the Soviet Union. I did not believe him but based the comments made by that guy with a keyboard for an avatar, I now believe him.

I also had wanted to visit NYC at some point soon but now I'm starting to reconsider.
 
Wow. I have to say that NYC really has turned into a Communist society.

My co-worker, who is originally from Russia said that he noticed that the US was becoming more and more like the Soviet Union. I did not believe him but based the comments made by that guy with a keyboard for an avatar, I now believe him.

I also had wanted to visit NYC at some point soon but now I'm starting to reconsider.

You have got to be kidding me.
 
Wow. I have to say that NYC really has turned into a Communist society.

My co-worker, who is originally from Russia said that he noticed that the US was becoming more and more like the Soviet Union. I did not believe him but based the comments made by that guy with a keyboard for an avatar, I now believe him.

I also had wanted to visit NYC at some point soon but now I'm starting to reconsider.

1st post? Thanks for stopping by! I'll get your coat. :p
 
Wow. I have to say that NYC really has turned into a Communist society.

My co-worker, who is originally from Russia said that he noticed that the US was becoming more and more like the Soviet Union. I did not believe him but based the comments made by that guy with a keyboard for an avatar, I now believe him.

So, if a corporation negotiates to build a structure on a property, and has to agree to certain conditions in order to get a waiver because what they want violates pre-existing covenants on the property -- you say that it's "communist" to expect the corporation to honor those agreements?

Zoning restrictions are there to protect *all* the property owners from the actions of one. If you bought a nice house, you wouldn't want some corporation buying the two lots next door and building an 8 apartment monstrosity.

Similarly, the other tenants around 767 Fifth Avenue couldn't have been too happy about Apple pasting billboards on the glass cube in the plaza.

Just because you like Apple products doesn't mean that you need to approve of Apple acting with arrogant disregard of promises that they've made, or other civilized rules. (for example, Apple vs. Apple Corps., Apple vs. Cisco, ...)

In the Soviet block (i.e. the "communists"), the citizens had very little protection from the whims of the state.

In the US, property owners have a lot of protection from their neighbors doing things that reduce the value and attractiveness of their property. Additionally, cities can decide that the public need for open spaces and public places can restrict property owners from some uses of their property.

It looks like Apple stepped over those protections when they put a 10m high billboard on the plaza.
 
1st post? Thanks for stopping by! I'll get your coat. :p
You have a problem with that? My you are a welcoming bunch aren't you. Let me guess, you are a New Yorker?
:p
*EDIT*
I see that you are from Philly. I though it was supposed to be a friendly city or was I mistaken?

Did you originally come from the Big Apple?
 
You have got to be kidding me.
No, actually I'm not. My co-worker immigrated to Canada about a decade ago IIRC. He remembers the Soviet era quite well.

He has been following recent changes in the US such as the Patriot Act and now this federally mandated ID card all the states will be issuing soon. Can you say "papers please"?

As a regular Joe citizen, you might not be privy to the impact some of the laws passed in recent years or to the reporting various entities are required to submit to government agencies. Not that any of this is a state secret or anything but the news media is not going to delve deeply into the repercussions of every bill passed by your congress.

You may some time very soon find that you might have to subject yourself to thorough ID examinations not only for interstate flights but at state border crossings. That sounds like the Soviet union to me.
 
They're not forgetting other product lines at all.

*sigh*.... Let's go through this again, shall we?

what do we usually have at MacWorld? Product-announcement, maybe demos of new version of OS X and iLife. And so forth. And lo and behold, we did get two product-announcements this year. But both of them were vaporware. Two months later and they are STILL vaporware! And during that two-month period we have practically received zero news regarding any of their other products.

A little-known fact is that Apple has more than one group--the people who work on Macs and Mac OS are DIFFERENT people from the ones who work on iPods, and the ones who work on iPhones.

No, you don't say?!?! This is news to me! Or not.

So... while the iPhone may be the latest news, the Mac team has still been coming to work :) There is no reason to suspect that the Mac team has been reduced in size to move people onto the iPod or iPhone.

Where exactly did I claim that something like that has happened?

Now, if you're simply talking about Apple's PR, and find it "boring" or "no fun" that the iPhone is getting the attention... well, Apple's marketing is not designed to entertain you, or the public at large--it's designed to promote their products, in strategic ways that vary with their R&D and launch schedules.

That is only part of the equation. How about the news that we heard that Apple isn't going to release new video-iPod anytime soon, because they are afraid that it would steal iPhone's thunder? If that's true, then doesn't it mean that Apple is purposefully slowing down developement of their other products, in order to prop up the iPhone?
 
You seem to be the one who doesn't get it. The whole world knows Apple makes Macs. The whole world knows that Apple makes iPods. As a company, Apple could spend millions of dollars on ads and billboards and such promoting those products without gaining any market share over what they already have. In those particular arenas, people are pretty set in their ways. An ad about a Mac doesn't get talked about, and thus the company doesn't get talked about.

I'm not talking about ads. I'm talking about products. The fact that you only talk of advertising is a clear sign that you missed the point.

So instead, Apple advertises the new and exciting products, the ones that are going to "revolutionize the world".

And which are not available for several months. And even then, they will only be available to a small fraction of consumers. It's going to be about a year before it's widely available.

In short: their efforts seem to be focused at promoting vaporware.
 
Why should Apple release the supposed "secret" features of a product before the actual release for sale?

Um, because we are talking about operating-system? Because third-parties would have to test those features and make sure that they play nicely with their apps? So that third-parties could prepare for them in advance?

The mini is a great media PC as is.

Well, it's decent, but it could be better. It really could use a bigger hard-drive. Right now we need to use external hard-drives so we could fit the media in there, and that destroys the "mini" a lot more than few extra centimeters of size would.

Now I'd like to see the 200GB drive available BTO, that would sell me in an instant.

laptop-size 200GB hard-drive is quite expensive.
 
So, if a corporation negotiates to build a structure on a property, and has to agree to certain conditions in order to get a waiver because what they want violates pre-existing covenants on the property -- you say that it's "communist" to expect the corporation to honor those agreements?

Zoning restrictions are there to protect *all* the property owners from the actions of one. If you bought a nice house, you wouldn't want some corporation buying the two lots next door and building an 8 apartment monstrosity.

Similarly, the other tenants around 767 Fifth Avenue couldn't have been too happy about Apple pasting billboards on the glass cube in the plaza.

Just because you like Apple products doesn't mean that you need to approve of Apple acting with arrogant disregard of promises that they've made, or other civilized rules. (for example, Apple vs. Apple Corps., Apple vs. Cisco, ...)

In the Soviet block (i.e. the "communists"), the citizens had very little protection from the whims of the state.

In the US, property owners have a lot of protection from their neighbors doing things that reduce the value and attractiveness of their property. Additionally, cities can decide that the public need for open spaces and public places can restrict property owners from some uses of their property.

It looks like Apple stepped over those protections when they put a 10m high billboard on the plaza.
Unless it is city property, how is it the business of the city automatically?
 
He has been following recent changes in the US such as the Patriot Act and now this federally mandated ID card all the states will be issuing soon. Can you say "papers please"?

As a regular Joe citizen, you might not be privy to the impact some of the laws passed in recent years or to the reporting various entities are required to submit to government agencies. Not that any of this is a state secret or anything but the news media is not going to delve deeply into the repercussions of every bill passed by your congress.

You may some time very soon find that you might have to subject yourself to thorough ID examinations not only for interstate flights but at state border crossings. That sounds like the Soviet union to me.
Here, I agree with you-- though we should probably move that discussion to a different thread...
Wow. I have to say that NYC really has turned into a Communist society.

My co-worker, who is originally from Russia said that he noticed that the US was becoming more and more like the Soviet Union. I did not believe him but based the comments made by that guy with a keyboard for an avatar, I now believe him.

I also had wanted to visit NYC at some point soon but now I'm starting to reconsider.
Here I agree with AidenShaw and the other poster who thought you were nuts... First off, why does everyone confuse Communism with Stalinism? Communism is an economic system, Stalinism is a political system based on dictatorial rule and control through fear and violent repression. Second, I thought the cold war was over, yet people are still screaming "communist!" whenever they see anything they don't agree with. Can't believe how many times I've seen that on this forum alone... Third, this country has had zoning laws since colonial days-- there's nothing Soviet about it. It's part of how a densely populated society coexists.
Unless it is city property, how is it the business of the city automatically?
It's the people acting through their government. Quite the opposite of the Soviet method, actually... Just like the city is going to get involved if you, as a private citizen, beat your spouse as a private citizen, in the privacy of your privately owned home with the curtains drawn, there is a whole wide range of behaviors that the government regulates at the behest of your fellow citizens. Most unlike the Soviet state, you have the power to change the way your government behaves through elections and the right to petition your government for the redress of grievances. The fact that large numbers of people have abdicated that right or waste their time chasing petty whims does not mean that we no longer have that power.

Now, if you'd been to Russia in the last decade, you'd get an idea of what happens when a government does not exercise sufficient controls over behaviors detrimental to a functioning society. Not only would you find that debts are settled with weaponry, but much, much smaller travesties as well-- such as rampant advertising obscuring the beautiful architecture of Moscow and St. Pete.

People have these grade school ideas that liberty means anarchy and democracy means mob rule...
 
You have a problem with that? My you are a welcoming bunch aren't you. Let me guess, you are a New Yorker?
:p
*EDIT*
I see that you are from Philly. I though it was supposed to be a friendly city or was I mistaken?

Did you originally come from the Big Apple?


We were born with 2 ears and 1 mouth so we could listen twice as much as we speak. Before spouting off at the mouth with rudeness that no one wants to hear, try lurking for a while to get a sense of the tone in the community you are attempting to enter. We're a friendly bunch here and can be an invaluable resource to a new user like you, so hang out for a while and try to help out instead of tearing down.

Regarding your comments about government and laws, Mark Twain put it best. "It is better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are a fool than to open it and remove all doubt."
 
You have a problem with that? My you are a welcoming bunch aren't you. Let me guess, you are a New Yorker?
:p
*EDIT*
I see that you are from Philly. I though it was supposed to be a friendly city or was I mistaken?

Did you originally come from the Big Apple?

Haha, nope. Actually from Pittsburgh & still live here. Seriously though, I was just joking. 'Thought it was funny for a first post. Welcome to MacRumors!:cool:
 
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