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This is good news, but does that mean they're on target for their 1% in a year or not, that really is the question. I haven't seen any real figures except what Apple has stated on only two occasions, but I don't think they'll get there, I think they'll be close, but just shy of 1%.

We'll have to see what the figures are this Monday :)


Sam,

Apple's target is 10million units by the end of 2008. Its not 1year, its 18months to sell 10mil. They have to avarage a 555,555units a month to meet this. Apple has already sold 1million in this first 70days. Lets also take into account they are only launched in the U.S. Apple in Nov Month will have 3 new countires launched (France, Germany, UK) So thats a total of 4 countires iPhone will be sold in, at an avarage of 138,000phones per month per country will need to be sold to meet estimate.

Considering they dont' keep lanuching new countries int he 08 year, do you think they are going to seriously have trouble selling at this pace?
 
It's probably due to the very expensive plans you need with the phone and not because of the features or looks, considering that the #1 is the ubercrappy RAZR V3 which is a piece of antique and isn't only butt ugly,but also a piece of crap device.
 
thank you for saying this! I don't think that apple would do it, but an iphone minus the internet is exactly what i want!
maybe i will get even more lucky, and apple will announce the iphone nano will only be on verizon... lol.

I originally held to a permutation of that.... wanted iPod/Browser with no phone.
Got that (pretty much) in the touch, but truth be told, I really would ideally like to get down to one device. Luckily, I don't live on the phone. (Love the touch, btw.)

But I'm wondering about the iPod/phone-noBrowser model.
That would mean Apple gives up a revenue stream, the start of which we're only starting to see. Direct download from ITS, the Starbucks thing, etc. I think that's more than just a gleam in Steve's eye.

Perhaps they'll nano-ize by droping browser, but keeping wifi that can connect to local services that announce themselves (Starbucks-like) and don't require an elaborate interface. That would still alow a tiny device that doesn't do 'web', but allows upcoming things like phone-based payments to be done elegantly.

We'll see soon enuf.
 
I wonder if the phone could have been subsidized and apple had not taken a profit in the providers monthly fee, thus reducing the tariff cost if we would have been a little higher than 4th ranking?

Of course, this wouldn't have meant the phone was either locked or unlocked, just cheaper.

The main reason I'm not going to buy one is the rubbish tariff because apple is sticking it's fingers into O2's profits thus meaning it has to give terrible tariffs to get their money back.

The european market will not bear this rip-off phone long term, apple will eventually have to re-think its plans I believe.

Hear, hear. Those contracts are a joke, free cloud coverage or not. No one is going to pay £35 for 200 min. By the time the iphone has the kind of storage i need (32GB min), hopefully the phones will be cheaper, like with the ipod, which seems to drop in price with every generation (not to mention strip away accessories... how long before customers are expected to provide their own dock cable?).

I've never bought a phone without assessing the cost for the length of the contract. I can spare £270 on a phone, but I don't like spending more than £400/yr on my mobile all in.
 
As a non-iPhone owner. I am still waiting. I have seen it at the Apple store and played with it a little. While nice, I would like to see what the next version of the iPhone will be like... Perhaps cheaper, smaller, faster and better.
 
As a non-iPhone owner. I am still waiting. I have seen it at the Apple store and played with it a little. While nice, I would like to see what the next version of the iPhone will be like... Perhaps cheaper, smaller, faster and better.

So you'll be waiting forever since the iPhone will always improve with the next gen. :p Like everything else.... :)
 
Umm the top 10 account for 25% of mobile sales. This means exactly squat. :rolleyes: Now if the top 4 accounted for 80%. That would be another matter. I smell worked numbers.

"The typical iPhone buyer is upwardly mobile, college educated with a six-figure household income,"

And this is why it will fail long term at that price point. The possible demographics are extremely narrow. Take the above and then factor in the fact that they also need to be Crapular customers to use it.
 
I'd only worry about the Google phone due out soon. For just 100 bucks, a lot of people will jump on that.
 
Is the iphone i am using now in Cambodia part of these sales figures? It would be naive right now to think these are not world wide sales figures. There isn't going to be much of a turn out for it's launch in Europe. That being said, it will do well enough. I see the junk they sell in Europe and whoever says they have any tech edge is wrong or was lobotomized by Nokia.
 
Umm the top 10 account for 25% of mobile sales. This means exactly squat. :rolleyes: Now if the top 4 accounted for 80%. That would be another matter. I smell worked numbers.

"The typical iPhone buyer is upwardly mobile, college educated with a six-figure household income,"

And this is why it will fail long term at that price point. The possible demographics are extremely narrow. Take the above and then factor in the fact that they also need to be Crapular customers to use it.

indeed, 1.1m/q translates to about 3% of the whole market. what's more interesting is the trend: 225k first two days, 1m first 70 days, 1.1m first quarter: the trend is actually slowing. in addition, the impact of the price cut was overestimated.
 
I predict it will be the #2 selling device in the US by this summer, and the #1 by the end of 2008.

When the second generation one comes out will determine how accurate I am. :)

I don't think so. The iPhone is $399. There will be lots of cheap phones that sell more units. What I would like to know is where the iPhone stands in terms of total revenues.
 
I wonder at what point the guys who turned down the iPhone will start kicking themselves, if they haven't already.

They have a long time to wait... the millions of customers on the other networks that can't/won't switch to AT&T have been kicking them for the past few months. Man! I tell you my legs are tired and my foot hurts, but I ain't done letting Sprint have it yet.

I wonder what the top 3 phones are?

And how long before we can actually see an iPhone or iPhone Nano or whatever on another network? How long before a Rev 2 that would make me consider moving over to the not-so-good-in-my-area AT&T? How long before I can really hold the iPhone up against the Palm Treo feature wise? I'd would move over to AT&T if the iPhone could do EVERYTHING the Treo could do but Apple style, especially bring me mobile broadband to my laptop easily.
 
It's probably due to the very expensive plans you need with the phone and not because of the features or looks, considering that the #1 is the ubercrappy RAZR V3 which is a piece of antique and isn't only butt ugly,but also a piece of crap device.

you mean the positively cheap plans? I pay 20$ / mo less with my iphone than i did with my blackberry. And of course a subsidized phone is going to be number one.
 
Returns

I'd only worry about the Google phone due out soon. For just 100 bucks, a lot of people will jump on that.

Google in the wings is interesting but vapor-ware at the moment. The iPhone though if you really want to investigate the figures has some problems which will be sorted in the next versions. However I am not the only person by far to have returned their iPhone as it does not work as a phone.

Anyone buying stock on these massaged figures will be in for a rude surprise as I believe the numbers for returns due to defects or other reasons will be shocking.
Let's say when I returned my iPhone I was not alone.

That does not mean Apple will not dominate the American market, it will. But remember folks the IPod in Europe and Asia is not the majority hardware like it is here. Apple products, computers etc., do not make the top 5 world wide. There is a disconnect. Americans like to line up for hours to have brunch in a popular place, the rest of the world like to eat quietly and with class.

America is about to go into a major recession. Apple will have to lower the iphone price to grow.

Apple stock will reach 200 and then the shorts will pounce on the real news of low quality and mean return policies.

Apple is not the new MS it's the new DEll.
 
iPhone owners who use their phones for business will not be put off by the tariffs. Not only is it a write off but increased productivity is worth much more than a high tariff. Casual users and kids will be the losers.
 
I have to say that I am totally shocked that it could be the 4th top selling phone. It's expensive, though admittedly, absolutely fantastic.

But in addition to that, it costs quite a bit to add the plan to your phone...and even beyond that, there's the hack that rendered it in 'admin' mode to others...a pretty serious security issue for anyone; especially in this day & age with all the things it could have on it: credit card information, banking, etc.

Again...I love the phone. It's gorgeous and a seriously tight machine. But 4th bestselling phone?! Wow. :eek:
 
I have to say that I am totally shocked that it could be the 4th top selling phone. It's expensive, though admittedly, absolutely fantastic.

But in addition to that, it costs quite a bit to add the plan to your phone...and even beyond that, there's the hack that rendered it in 'admin' mode to others...a pretty serious security issue for anyone; especially in this day & age with all the things it could have on it: credit card information, banking, etc.

Again...I love the phone. It's gorgeous and a seriously tight machine. But 4th bestselling phone?! Wow. :eek:
It is incredible considering it competes with a bunch of virtually free phones and is limited to ATT.
 
Google in the wings is interesting but vapor-ware at the moment. The iPhone though if you really want to investigate the figures has some problems which will be sorted in the next versions. However I am not the only person by far to have returned their iPhone as it does not work as a phone.

Anyone buying stock on these massaged figures will be in for a rude surprise as I believe the numbers for returns due to defects or other reasons will be shocking.
Let's say when I returned my iPhone I was not alone.

That does not mean Apple will not dominate the American market, it will. But remember folks the IPod in Europe and Asia is not the majority hardware like it is here. Apple products, computers etc., do not make the top 5 world wide. There is a disconnect. Americans like to line up for hours to have brunch in a popular place, the rest of the world like to eat quietly and with class.

America is about to go into a major recession. Apple will have to lower the iphone price to grow.

Apple stock will reach 200 and then the shorts will pounce on the real news of low quality and mean return policies.

Apple is not the new MS it's the new DEll.

The tone of your post... coupled with your Join Date of June 2007 makes me suspicious of your motives.
 
I never thought I would, and as a matter of fact, deliberately criticized the hype of this phone, but finally fell for its beauty, features, and all the rest, so I purchased one a few days ago. So far, I'm completely in love with it, so these numbers don't surprise me.
Go iPhone! :D
 
Google in the wings is interesting but vapor-ware at the moment. The iPhone though if you really want to investigate the figures has some problems which will be sorted in the next versions. However I am not the only person by far to have returned their iPhone as it does not work as a phone.

Anyone buying stock on these massaged figures will be in for a rude surprise as I believe the numbers for returns due to defects or other reasons will be shocking.
Let's say when I returned my iPhone I was not alone.

That does not mean Apple will not dominate the American market, it will. But remember folks the IPod in Europe and Asia is not the majority hardware like it is here. Apple products, computers etc., do not make the top 5 world wide. There is a disconnect. Americans like to line up for hours to have brunch in a popular place, the rest of the world like to eat quietly and with class.

America is about to go into a major recession. Apple will have to lower the iphone price to grow.

Apple stock will reach 200 and then the shorts will pounce on the real news of low quality and mean return policies.

Apple is not the new MS it's the new DEll.

I don't recall the name of the operating system Dell authored for THEIR machines????
 
That's absolutely great. Now a reality check.

1. There are many estimates of approximately 1,000,000,000 cellphones in use today.
2. Nokia's market share is about 2/5.
3. This means that there are about 400,000,000 Nokia cellphones in use.
4. The iPod didn't really displace anything but today still doesn't have that kind of sales figures.

Besides - if you're happy with your phone what does it matter what other people do?

What I find funny is that on the one hand you want to feel so exclusive with your toys - and then on the other hand you're hoping everyone will buy them. You can't have it both ways.
 
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