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Okay, I went and talked to another opthamologist about this. He said the IR, even in the dark, is not an issue for eyes, but using your phone or tablet in general in the dark is the harmful part, because of the blue (shorter) wavelengths. He said don’t worry about Face ID but definitely turn on a nightstand lamp or other light in the room if using a backlit device.
 
Okay, I went and talked to another opthamologist about this. He said the IR, even in the dark, is not an issue for eyes, but using your phone or tablet in general in the dark is the harmful part, because of the blue (shorter) wavelengths. He said don’t worry about Face ID but definitely turn on a nightstand lamp or other light in the room if using a backlit device.

Good thing that TruTone removes blue wavelengths...
 
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I do know the more concentrated beam from the Samsung scanner hurt like ever loving hell after several uses. The pain grew from light sensation to intense lasting eye ache. For my husband it happened more gradually but we both now can not use the iris scanner on our Galaxy phones.

Neither of us has yet noticed any pain from the Apple scanner. It’s diffuse and usually a lot faster to work. The Samsung will keep blasting into your eye trying to get an ID. The Apple one quits faster if it can’t get an ID right away.
 
Don't laugh - I have been doing that.
I did that at first but then started peeking. I’m not getting the pain I had with the Samsung iris scanner so I’ve gained more confidence leaving my eyes open.
 
You can choose to ignore and buy the phone or you can just avoid , there’s an option . Apple doesn’t force people to buy , the decision is on you.
Most people are mature enough to decide for themselves to buy or not.

Agreed, so my choice is to use a smartphone that won't make me go blind, done!
 
i know when i bought my galaxy s8 and tried the iris scan, the first thing i noticed is how uncomfortable it made my eye
 
When camera was first invented, people thought that the camera would absorb people’s souls. Think about how the person is being flashed with a strong light and then their image is imprinted on a paper! How can that be? Some part of the soul must be transferred to the paper.

It’s not a joke. When people think about new technology they always fear.

And some fears were right. I’m not saying there is a problem, but the OP asked a reasonable question and got a lot of dismissive answers without any actual information.
 
Great, another...

-Face Id will make you blind
-Face Id will melt your face
-Face Id is slower then touch ID
-Face Id still works with my tin foil hat
-Apple sends your face to a database
-I miss touch ID
-X screen is not bigger then the 8plus
-Your X chip is slower then mine
-Eye strain
-Why the notch
-The notch hides important info
-X speaker louder then...
-Badly designed interface on the X
-I take my X back to the store
-I feel the X is...
-X is too expensive
-Scuffing the stainless edge
-X is a beta product
-X screen better or not then....
-Bugs, Bugs bugs
-The X causes chemtrails

THREAD....did I forget any ?

;)
Home button was slowed down on the X. (Here fishy fishy. Hehe :D)
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Well... she's still an optometrist, (at least in my country) basically the only thing they do is measure if you have the right glasses. Better talk to a real medical professional like ophthalmologist about that stuff :D
Can I :rolleyes: you? Haha...
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Ah well. I doubt they use IR-A in a mobile phone tho, as Near-Infrared has been suggested to possibly be a bit harmful (vague study). I'm pretty sure Apple has consulted medical experts about this, you can imagine especially in America that they don't want to lose Billions over a case where their device harmed users.
MmmmmmmmmMMMMMMMMMmmmmmmm......

...I would HOPE Apple did their research. :confused:
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Yes, I think apple has definitely carried out research on this before releasing it to the public. I’m not worried about the exposure for an average healthy person but rather for someone already living with early stage cataract conditions or otherwise compromised eye health.

Just like a couple beers a day is no big deal for the mass population but someone with an existing kidney or liver condition might be advised not to have any at all, much less on a regular basis.
See, nobody ever discourages people from buying phones if they have a social media problem. I think it should be an Apple initiative to discourage iPhone purchases. Let's see if we can get Apple to spearhead this. It's all really their fault for enabling us after all.

(Who's with this noble, generous, and totally not fake mission with me?)
 
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the OP asked a reasonable question and got a lot of dismissive answers without any actual information.

I don't disagree that the question couldn't be posed for discussion, but you're saying there is a lot of dismissive answers without any factual information. In fairness, That's because there is no real factual information, as there has not been enough studies on this type of technology introduced of evidence that it would be damaging long term. In which case, I highly doubt any forum members would have any factual evidence stating otherwise if Face ID were to be damaging. There would be a substantial amount of research and development required to actually to make any conclusive claims.
 
I don't disagree that the question couldn't be posed for discussion, but you're saying there is a lot of dismissive answers without any factual information. In fairness, That's because there is no real factual information, as there has not been enough studies on this type of technology introduced of evidence that it would be damaging long term. In which case, I highly doubt any forum members would have any factual evidence stating otherwise if Face ID were to be damaging. There would be a substantial amount of research and development required to actually to make any conclusive claims.


Well, when we have ‘factual’ information like this, what more could we possibly need?

“The probability of having any long term damage from the laser wouldn't be any different from somebody looking up in the sun as well.”
 
Well, when we have ‘factual’ information like this, what more could we possibly need?

That really doesn't address my point. What I'm saying, is there's not enough conclusive evidence or studies been conducted to actually prove any type of detrimental damage from the lasers of Face ID depticting any long-term issues. Overall usage, variables, ect. all plays factors into this.
 
That really doesn't address my point. What I'm saying, is there's not enough conclusive evidence or studies been conducted to actually prove any type of detrimental damage from the lasers of Face ID depticting any long-term issues. Overall usage, variables, ect. all plays factors into this.

Much like the lack of conclusive evidence that the long term damage from the lasers is equivalent to staring at the sun, which you seem very sure of, despite the two things being entirely different.
 
Much like the lack of conclusive evidence that the long term damage from the lasers is equivalent to staring at the sun.

Perfect statement (Even though it's not a relevant tangent based on my two prior posts), which reiterates my point. Staring at the sun is voluntary, however using Face ID something that someone subjects themself to on a daily basis approximately 30 to 50 times a day. Two Things are not mutually exclusive contrary to your previous post, which still doesn't prove the potential outcomes of unknown factors that has no Studies conducted in direct relation to this technology, Fact.

Sidenote: I'm not advocating what Face ID can or cannot do in terms of damage, but the argument goes both ways regardless of how you want to spin this narrative.
 
Perfect statement (Even though it's not a relevant tangent based on my two prior posts), which reiterates my point. Staring at the sun is voluntary, however using Face ID something that someone subjects themself to on a daily basis approximately 30 to 50 times a day. Two Things are not mutually exclusive contrary to your previous post, which still doesn't prove the potential outcomes of unknown factors that has no Studies conducted in direct relation to this technology, Fact.

Sidenote: I'm not advocating what Face ID can or cannot do in terms of damage, but the argument goes both ways regardless of how you want to spin this narrative.

Well, if that’s what your previous statements were saying, it wasn’t at all clear. Still isn’t, tbh.
 
Great, another...

-Face Id will make you blind
-Face Id will melt your face
-Face Id is slower then touch ID
-Face Id still works with my tin foil hat
-Apple sends your face to a database
-I miss touch ID
-X screen is not bigger then the 8plus
-Your X chip is slower then mine
-Eye strain
-Why the notch
-The notch hides important info
-X speaker louder then...
-Badly designed interface on the X
-I take my X back to the store
-I feel the X is...
-X is too expensive
-Scuffing the stainless edge
-X is a beta product
-X screen better or not then....
-Bugs, Bugs bugs
-The X causes chemtrails

THREAD....did I forget any ?

;)

This is top notch (pardon the pun)!
 
I will now be able to use Face ID as an offensive weapon to protect myself. Has the army considered using this for missile defense?
 
“In particular, IR radiation, similar to ultraviolet radiation, seems to be involved in photoaging and potentially also in photocarcinogenesis. The molecular consequences resulting from IR exposure are virtually unknown. Recent studies, however, have begun to shed light on the basic molecular processes such as cellular signal transduction and gene expression triggered by exposure to IR radiation.”Cutaneous effects of infrared radiation: from clinical observations to molecular response mechanisms, Stefan M. Schieke, Peter Schroeder, Jean Krutmann


“The main biological effects of IR-A radiation are infrared cataracts and flash burns to the cornea due to temperature rise in the tissue. But IR-A radiation wavelengths are close to the visible light wavelengths and are transmitted to a small extent to the retina; permanent retinal damage can occur if exposure is prolonged. As wavelengths increase into the IR-B and IR-C regions the radiation is no longer transmitted to the retina but corneal flash burn injuries can still be caused.” –
University of Warwick, Health and Safety Department
 
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