Ok - 2 years.....I'm not talking about rooting and flashing. We're talking normal use case here.
It's also in beta. Wait for the release, and if you still can't tell if it's slower or not, I think you'll have proved my point.
My point was, saying something is "slower" is subjective. I used the 4S on iOS 7 beta and didn't see a lot of degradation in performance.
People can SAY whatever they want.
I'm only talking about the 4s, as that's what I have experience with. It's not a 4 year old phone, and in fact was being sold just a year ago.
3.5 year old device - regardless of whether or not it was being sold last year (and is still being sold now in some places). That's why it gets updates.
But there's no need to artificially limit them either.
Who's artificially limiting anything? It's not like Apple said - "Let's introduce iOS 7 and put it on the 4S and 4 to purposefully make them slower."
Yes, but not because the software magically broke after a certain date. You would have issue related to services changing their API's, or hardware problems.
Exactly - which is what I bet most 4 and 4S users are experiencing versus anything specifically tied back to iOS 7. That's the point - everyone wants to blame iOS 7 when there's really no proof any of the bugs were caused by the update. Especially when there are tens of millions of iOS users who DON'T experience these issues - even on the 4 and 4S. Does it suck to have a buggy phone? Yes. But to sue a company over issues that are within normal parameters for technology (especially 3-4 year old hardware) based on little to no evidence the OS being targeted has anything to do with it, that's simply ludicrous.
Why wouldn't they service a downgraded device? I can install Mavericks or Windows 8, and then revert to Lion or Windows 7 and still get service.
My experience with computer support has not been the same as my experience with smartphone support (just in general over owning various devices) - therefore I have a hard time equating the two. Simply stating its obviously much simpler for Apple CS is devices are running the same software as problems crop up and might affect various OS versions differently.
Actually, it's practically an auto-update if you let it. There's an update that nags you and the one time you accidentally hit "okay", it's all over.
It's a little red (1). Nothing "nagging" you - I have buddies who JUST NOW updated because they felt like it. Not that hard to ignore if you as so inclined.
And by "accidentally hitting OK" you mean going through about three or four different dialog boxes and hitting "accept/ok" each time....
It wasn't a service outage, it was an expired certificate. That's an easy fix. The fact that Apple isn't fixing it for iOS 6 users is what's ludicrous.
Yes, I hadn't done my research - you are correct. Something like this could be remedied if Apple updated their core apps independently of the OS. Something I think they should do.
TOS haven't been tested in court yet.
Given Apple's "experience" with litigation, my guess is the TOS is pretty air tight.....but I could be wrong. I don't read it. Still see it as very far-fetched this type of suit could gain any traction when almost all the choices in the process are voluntary.
Now if you wanted to sue for "taking away" features from iOS 6 users over the FaceTime thing, maybe you have something there. Still though - its Apple's servers running the service and their discretion to whom to provide service.
What do you think I've been dealing with, with my girlfriend? She's done 2 DFU restores, a restore or three from iCloud, and a "basic" restore over the course of 3 iPhones. But as long as they're running iOS 7, there's always an issue whether it's related to the settings app not opening or the email client forgetting her gmail account or even the inability to hang up a phone call!
I don't think that's specifically related to iOS 7. Never heard of any of those issues and - like I said - I have quite a few people in my life who are on 4S's and 5's with iOS 7. My co-worker has the problem that when he goes to unlock his phone, everything doubles and it becomes unresponsive. But that was happening before iOS 7. And that 4S has been passed around from other sales reps.....needs to be replaced regardless.
Yes, that called progress. We've also gone from driving around in horses and buggies to automobiles, and have landed people on the moon.
Agreed - but we also can't simply assume and expect there to be NO trouble (those automobiles have issues occasionally that horse/buggies didn't have). Technology isn't perfect nor does it work 100% of the time - no matter the OS running it.
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[/COLOR]It seems like the point is pretty much the opposite of that--users want to be able to stay with whatever version they had when they got the phone, for example, and have it work the way it did when they chose to get the phone based on how it worked at the time.
That seems so backwards to me - so you don't want to update and advance in feature set? Android would be perfect for you then - you can stay on the same software for forever after 2 years because you won't have the option to update....
