Apple is ripping us off

EatingApples

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Hi guys

I considered getting the new Ipad Pro, but the more I look into it I can't get myself to buy it, because I realised that Apple is milking the cash cow even more than they used to.

For the following, please if you disagree, let me know and I will reconsider my point(s).

- Ipad Pro's price point does not justify the extra features it has.
- Ipad smart keyboard is $149
- Apple doesn't offer the leather ipad cover's anymore for Ipad Pro. Instead you have to buy a silicone cover which is $69 and the smart cover which is $49 = $118 for a case option
- Apple Pencil is another $99.

I was looking to get an Ipad with 128 gb (since there's no 64Gb) option. Even if I just went with the smart keyboard (no pencil and no case) it would be $1077.

In Denmark (where I live) it's $1391 because of taxes.

I just think it's unreasonable.

What do you guys think?
 

TrueBlou

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Well it's all a matter of personal preference at the end of the day. In the UK for a comparable spec to the Air 2 at launch its only £60 of a difference. For the new screen tech and Pencil support I don't think that's too bad for Apple, many others will disagree.


- Ipad Pro's price point does not justify the extra features it has. -- Much of a personal preference, to some it's not an issue.

- Ipad smart keyboard is $149 -- Don't buy it, there's plenty of other options.

- Apple doesn't offer the leather ipad cover's anymore for Ipad Pro. Instead you have to buy a silicone cover which is $69 and the smart cover which is $49 = $118 for a case option -- Don't buy them there are many other options.

- Apple Pencil is another $99 -- It's worth it. I've owned many different styli for my iPads, some of which cost at least as much as the Apple Pencil does. None of which are even remotely as good as the Apple Pencil. But again, it's an optional purchase.


I do agree that Apple are being a bit ridiculous with the silicone case prices. But it's Apple, we should expect nothing else from them. There's plenty of other options that are better value for money.
 
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EatingApples

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I found the pricing great so I purchased 2 iPad Pros with Apple case and Smart Cover. Not all of us are poor so why not leave this forum and go and buy something cheap.

Why do some keep going on about Apples pricing as it's never been so cheap.
Thanks for your reply. You are right of course. However, so far I have felt that Apple's Ipad was reasonably, yet still expensively priced. Just with the launch of the new Pro my perspective has changed.
 
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Hi guys

I considered getting the new Ipad Pro, but the more I look into it I can't get myself to buy it, because I realised that Apple is milking the cash cow even more than they used to.

For the following, please if you disagree, let me know and I will reconsider my point(s).

- Ipad Pro's price point does not justify the extra features it has.
- Ipad smart keyboard is $149
- Apple doesn't offer the leather ipad cover's anymore for Ipad Pro. Instead you have to buy a silicone cover which is $69 and the smart cover which is $49 = $118 for a case option
- Apple Pencil is another $99.

I was looking to get an Ipad with 128 gb (since there's no 64Gb) option. Even if I just went with the smart keyboard (no pencil and no case) it would be $1077.

In Denmark (where I live) it's $1391 because of taxes.

I just think it's unreasonable.

What do you guys think?
No offense, but it sounds like you may need to win the lottery - that - or another job. I can't afford a Ferarri but I don't list out how much of a rip off it is: (2 seats, eats gas like crazy, high maintenance costs, high insurance premiums, etc).

The iPad Pro (12.9") cellular I got is a superb machinery. I also got the APK and the pencil. Is it worth it? Depends on the use at the moment but overall I can afford just those things and I'm happy with my purchase. Don't break it down like this because with Apple products the extra costs seems like extra 'tax' - but in reality the product is just superior build quality and performs wonderfully.
 
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TrueBlou

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No offense, but it sounds like you may need to win the lottery - that - or another job. I can't afford a Ferarri but I don't list out how much of a rip off it is: (2 seats, eats gas like crazy, high maintenance costs, high insurance premiums, etc).

That's a terrible generalisation. By the time I'd sold the kids and the wife, it brought the price of a Ferarri down by a decent margin. And without those pesky kids in the way I didn't need more than 2 seats.
 
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That's a terrible generalisation. By the time I'd sold the kids and the wife, it brought the price of a Ferarri down by a decent margin. And without those pesky kids in the way I didn't need more than 2 seats.
Pardon my generalizations it's quite late over here :D
 
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EatingApples

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No offense, but it sounds like you may need to win the lottery - that - or another job. I can't afford a Ferarri but I don't list out how much of a rip off it is: (2 seats, eats gas like crazy, high maintenance costs, high insurance premiums, etc).
It's not that I can't afford it...don't get me wrong. Like I wrote earlier "so far I have felt that Apple's Ipad was reasonably, yet still expensively priced. Just with the launch of the new Pro my perspective has changed"

I own a fully spec'ed macbook pro and Iphone 5S...I'm already in their ecosystem. I use their products. However, I am also a sceptical person and I can read between the lines. We are financing their new HQ, their crazy R&D, their newly employed and highly expensive staff. They also just built Liam which they'll make money from as well as they sell the parts for cash (essentially resulting in a price reduction on new parts).

On the other hand I believe they don't make as much money from new Apps as they used to.

I studied business for 5 years, I know what BS looks like. I also know how they are making money. I also know they have crazy margins...here I am just saying they are being greedy.
 
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I found the pricing great so I purchased 2 iPad Pros with Apple case and Smart Cover. Not all of us are poor so why not leave this forum and go and buy something cheap.

Why do some keep going on about Apples pricing as it's never been so cheap.
Can you be any more ignorant?

I purchased an IPP and I have to say OP hit the nail on the head. My Smart Keyvoard is $169 and when you compare it to the SP4 Keyvoard it sucks. SP4 isn't origami fold, lights up AND has a trackpad...for $129.
 
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Can you be any more ignorant?

I purchased an IPP and I have to say OP hit the nail on the head. My Smart Keyvoard is $169 and when you compare it to the SP4 Keyvoard it sucks. SP4 isn't origami fold, lights up AND has a trackpad...for $129.
Well that's a subjective experience for you on that sp4 keyboard. I've also tried it out and I find the APK to be superior. Sure it doesn't have backlighting but it doesn't even need it. The folding origami isn't annoying and best part is that this thing has no wires and will last a long time of abuse. The keys are actually better on this APK than the sp4. That's my subjective view on it, however.
 
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TrueBlou

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Can you be any more ignorant?

I purchased an IPP and I have to say OP hit the nail on the head. My Smart Keyvoard is $169 and when you compare it to the SP4 Keyvoard it sucks. SP4 isn't origami fold, lights up AND has a trackpad...for $129.

Well we all have our preferences. I actually do like the SP 4 keyboard it's quite a pleasant typing experience. But at the same time I'm not fussed about backlighting, the screen provides ample light.

A trackpad is useful on an OS that's better as a desktop than tablet implementation. I always end up having to drop to the desktop for something or other in Windows 10.

I've yet to encounter a time when the iPad keyboard folding has caused me a problem and I like that Apple have designed it to be completely encapsulated and wipe clean.

So it's all down to each of our personal experiences at the end of the day.
 
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Well that's a subjective experience for you on that sp4 keyboard. I've also tried it out and I find the APK to be superior. Sure it doesn't have backlighting but it doesn't even need it. The folding origami isn't annoying and best part is that this thing has no wires and will last a long time of abuse. The keys are actually better on this APK than the sp4. That's my subjective view on it, however.
With the 12.9 Pro, the ASK can be unwieldy when fully unfolded when attempting to fold it into it's "presentation" mode. Considering that the iPad doesn't have a built-in kickstand, the ASK is quite a unique design. I can appreciate that. Plus my TypeCover trick (detach the keyboard cover, flip it over and reattach it so that keyboard faces the back of the tablet) works with the ASK as well (keep the inner microfiber/microsuede facing the back of the iPad)

Because it is a cover, the ASK is easy to remove and reattach to convert from "tablet" mode to "netbook" mode. The keys themselves are ok, I prefer the Surface's TypeCover keys much more, but that could be a function of the amount of time I've spent on the TypeCover vs. the ASK. Looking forward to spending more time on the ASK.

But the ASK keys make sense for a portable device.

The ASK's price is very steep IMO. I thought that the TypeCover was priced too high too.
 
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Even if you just buy the new ipad Pro + keyboard is well over $800 US already. $800 can get you a pretty good laptop running on a true multi task OS. I can't think of a reason why spend 800 bucks to buy a "laptop replacement" when you get get a laptop for that price.

Therefore, I advise all my friends who wanted to upgrade to ipad pro to buy a ipad Air 2 instead. both are 2G ram and CPU performance is pretty close.
 
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I'm with the OP. I was so looking forward to upgrading to the ipad Air3 and now Apple comes up with this. Very, very disapointed. 2 GB and substandard 264 ppi screenresolution as in the 2012 ipad 3? Really? Price increase on top of that. No thanks. I'm holding out again.
 
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In Denmark (where I live) it's $1391 because of taxes.
I just think it's unreasonable.
Unreasonable compared to what?

You don't "have to" buy that keyboard and the Pencil. They are not mandatory for using the iPad. It's a tablet, not a laptop. And if you absolutely must use a hardware keyboard maybe you need a MacBook, not a tablet. More bang for your buck.
 
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EatingApples

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Unreasonable compared to what?

You don't "have to" buy that keyboard and the Pencil. They are not mandatory for using the iPad. It's a tablet, not a laptop. And if you absolutely must use a hardware keyboard maybe you need a MacBook, not a tablet. More bang for your buck.
There you said it...you just compared the Ipad pro to the Macbook pro. Why did you do that? Because they almost cost the same. Am I right?

It's like...OK here you can buy this really expensive bike...but for a little more you can have a car.
 
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Even if you just buy the new ipad Pro + keyboard is well over $800 US already. $800 can get you a pretty good laptop running on a true multi task OS. I can't think of a reason why spend 800 bucks to buy a "laptop replacement" when you get get a laptop for that price.

Therefore, I advise all my friends who wanted to upgrade to ipad pro to buy a ipad Air 2 instead. both are 2G ram and CPU performance is pretty close.

It depends, I've suggested to a few folk that they would be better served by an iPad Air 2. But to other people who I know want the latest in performance and have expressed some interest in the Pencil, there's no alternative, to them I suggest the iPad Pro (of whichever size I believe best suits their needs.)

As for the Laptop replacement part, I know of no laptop which runs iOS. Some of us actually, believe it or not, like iOS as a mobile operating system.

But sure I could probably buy a MacBook (I and many people I know wouldn't buy Windows ever again, unless Apple goes out of business, so that rules out cheap laptops, the closest to the price would be an 11 inch MacBook Air) then add on a Wacom Cintiq to fulfil my drawing needs that the Pro and Pencil provide. But, then well, that lot costs a bit more than the iPad Pro costs.
 
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It's not that I can't afford it...don't get me wrong. Like I wrote earlier "so far I have felt that Apple's Ipad was reasonably, yet still expensively priced. Just with the launch of the new Pro my perspective has changed"

I own a fully spec'ed macbook pro and Iphone 5S...I'm already in their ecosystem. I use their products. However, I am also a sceptical person and I can read between the lines. We are financing their new HQ, their crazy R&D, their newly employed and highly expensive staff. They also just built Liam which they'll make money from as well as they sell the parts for cash (essentially resulting in a price reduction on new parts).

On the other hand I believe they don't make as much money from new Apps as they used to.

I studied business for 5 years, I know what BS looks like. I also know how they are making money. I also know they have crazy margins...here I am just saying they are being greedy.
If you're budget conscious you may want to consider iPad Air 2 instead? Just sayin'
 
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Hi guys

I considered getting the new Ipad Pro, but the more I look into it I can't get myself to buy it, because I realised that Apple is milking the cash cow even more than they used to.

For the following, please if you disagree, let me know and I will reconsider my point(s).

- Ipad Pro's price point does not justify the extra features it has.
- Ipad smart keyboard is $149
- Apple doesn't offer the leather ipad cover's anymore for Ipad Pro. Instead you have to buy a silicone cover which is $69 and the smart cover which is $49 = $118 for a case option
- Apple Pencil is another $99.

I was looking to get an Ipad with 128 gb (since there's no 64Gb) option. Even if I just went with the smart keyboard (no pencil and no case) it would be $1077.

In Denmark (where I live) it's $1391 because of taxes.

I just think it's unreasonable.

What do you guys think?
I am happy with the 9.7 Pro because Apple will likely be bringing cool exclusive features to the Pro line other iPads lack since it's being positioned as a PC replacement in particular Bluetooth Mouse support. And USB drive support so you may not need 128GB model.
Case wise I purchased a silicone case on Amazon for $4.99 US the price of Coffee and it's perfect.

I for one welcome Apples ability to give us such an Amazingly display and features of the 12.9 Pro (better than the Pro) at this price in fact. By the time Apple requires All devices to us 2GB RAM only current units will be out dated right now 1GB is the requirement. It will be a while before 2GB is the base.

Also when you measure all the Features And Power And 32GB for the Price it's Unheard of. I Paid $529 through Verizon, that's only $30 more than a 16GB iPad Air 2 which has less than half the CPU and GPU speed. And inferior speaker system and more.
 
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Hi guys

I considered getting the new Ipad Pro, but the more I look into it I can't get myself to buy it, because I realised that Apple is milking the cash cow even more than they used to.

For the following, please if you disagree, let me know and I will reconsider my point(s).

- Ipad Pro's price point does not justify the extra features it has.
- Ipad smart keyboard is $149
- Apple doesn't offer the leather ipad cover's anymore for Ipad Pro. Instead you have to buy a silicone cover which is $69 and the smart cover which is $49 = $118 for a case option
- Apple Pencil is another $99.

I was looking to get an Ipad with 128 gb (since there's no 64Gb) option. Even if I just went with the smart keyboard (no pencil and no case) it would be $1077.

In Denmark (where I live) it's $1391 because of taxes.

I just think it's unreasonable.

What do you guys think?
Apple can charge whatever they like for their products and have always charged a premium (they didn't build up billions in cash by mistake).

But as a consumer, you have a choice. Buy their products at the prices they ask, or buy something else.
 
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EatingApples

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I am happy with the 9.7 Pro because Apple will likely be bringing cool exclusive features to the Pro line other iPads lack since it's being positioned as a PC replacement in particular Bluetooth Mouse support. And USB drive support so you may not need 128GB model.
Case wise I purchased a silicone case on Amazon for $4.99 US the price of Coffee and it's perfect.

I for one welcome Apples ability to give us such an Amazingly display and features of the 12.9 Pro (better than the Pro) at this price in fact. By the time Apple requires All devices to us 2GB RAM only current units will be out dated right now 1GB is the requirement. It will be a while before 2GB is the base.

Also when you measure all the Features And Power And 32GB for the Price it's Unheard of. I Paid $529 through Verizon, that's only $30 more than a 16GB iPad Air 2 which has less than half the CPU and GPU speed. And inferior speaker system and more.
Do you have a link for that case on Amazon?
 
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There you said it...you just compared the Ipad pro to the Macbook pro. Why did you do that? Because they almost cost the same. Am I right?

It's like...OK here you can buy this really expensive bike...but for a little more you can have a car.
But what if I want a bike rather than a car?

The Pro is expensive, no doubt. But it provides a different experience than an equivalent laptop. Sometimes I want or need a laptop, sometimes I want an iPad. I'm glad I have the choice of both. Just like I'm glad to own both a nice bike and a nice car.

The price bump of the Pro is reasonably justified. In addition to the 32GB base memory, you get a camera upgrade they probably would never have given the regular Air line, and most importantly, a digitizer that allows for the use of the best stylus on the market.

The iPad market is mature now, so you have a mature lineup. 2 models of basic iPads, and 2 models of 'Pro' (whatever that means). Makes sense in the context of their longstanding laptop line.
 
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There you said it...you just compared the Ipad pro to the Macbook pro. Why did you do that? Because they almost cost the same. Am I right?

It's like...OK here you can buy this really expensive bike...but for a little more you can have a car.
In a crowded city that bike could get you past any traffic jams, so it could be more useful that a car in some situations. The same with the iPad. My MacBook Pro is sleeping on the desk while I'm typing this message on the screen of my iPad Pro, sitting comfortable on the sofa.
 
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