This is complete bull. The iPhone is apple's product, and they get to choose what voids its warranty. That why it's called a "free" market, it is free of the government. If people really are bothered by this policy then they should stop buying iPhones, and if enough people stop then the iPhone will no longer be profitable for apple and the free market will demand that they either change their product somehow or they will go under.
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Apple: Jailbreaking May Still Void iPhone Warranty
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Actually not so easy. Unless you have SHSH blob backed up to whatever...Easy... roll back to iOS 3.1/2...
A car dealer will void your warranty if you use non-standard petrol and burn out the cylinders or blow a gasket...
if you scribble notes on pages in a book you bought and try to return in the next day...
Or use the wrong voltage in an appliance and it burns out...
So if the phone or any phone is jail broken and subsequently the radio firmware corrupts or causes shorting of the electronics when charging due to a change in voltage regulation... then it's pretty obvious...
Wot so if you put 2-stroke into your car by accident or diesel engine... car stops running... or by choice..... is that a fault for the car maker?
if you scribble notes on pages in a book you bought and try to return in the next day...
Or use the wrong voltage in an appliance and it burns out...
So if the phone or any phone is jail broken and subsequently the radio firmware corrupts or causes shorting of the electronics when charging due to a change in voltage regulation... then it's pretty obvious...
Wot so if you put 2-stroke into your car by accident or diesel engine... car stops running... or by choice..... is that a fault for the car maker?
Actually your warranty is voided if your car is not properly maintained or there is any signs that it's been abused. You'll be surprised how easy it is to void a car warranty.
Exactly. And buggy software can lead to hardware damage (CPU fan stopping, monitor not sleeping, battery life shortage, etc)
The problem comes from grey areas. If you jailbreak and it somehow damages your battery charging circuit, burning out your battery prematurely; or your iPod/Phone won't turn off until it dies and doesn't turn back on; or anything like that then yes, your hardware is at fault, but it's your fault for tinkering with the software that interacts/controls it.
Let's see if we can't put an end to this debate.
1. This ruling means no one can be prosecuted under the DMCA for jailbreaking their phone. It was never illegal, but Apple reserved the right to try, though never did anyway because it likely wouldn't have stuck in court. They no longer have that option. Big deal.
2. There's no reason you shouldn't jailbreak your phone. It's yours to do with what you want, you paid for it.
3. There's no reason for Apple to support or warranty your phone if you do. You've modified it, they can't be held responsible, in large part because:
4. Hardware and software are not unconnected. I can easily physically destroy my car or computer by modifying the software that runs it. I can also make it run worse or in fact better, if I know what I'm doing but that's not Apples concern. For the majority of their ignorant customer base it is better for both parties that they strongly discourage it.
5. It sucks that Apple allows only one carrier but it's a free market which is a concept that applies both to corporations as well as consumers. If you don't like what they offer, you are free to buy another phone from another company that runs on another network.
6. AT&T or any other carrier are quite entitled to prevent you using a jailbroken phone on their network because in its modified state it can negatively impact the operation of their network. You are not technically allowed to even use an unapproved telephone on your regular, wired home telephone service for this reason and of safety.
7. There is no difference between Apples position on this and any other phone manufacturer so why the criticism? They take whatever steps are available to them in law to protect their ip, corporate and product image. Where they differ is the provision of the app store. Personally, this is a positive feature to me. If it isn't for you fine. Don't use it or buy another phone.
8. No one here has statistics for app theft. Neither do I. It's fair enough to say that some people do it, and if you have, don't, it's unethical and illegal and gives jailbreaking a bad name.
All done?
1. This ruling means no one can be prosecuted under the DMCA for jailbreaking their phone. It was never illegal, but Apple reserved the right to try, though never did anyway because it likely wouldn't have stuck in court. They no longer have that option. Big deal.
2. There's no reason you shouldn't jailbreak your phone. It's yours to do with what you want, you paid for it.
3. There's no reason for Apple to support or warranty your phone if you do. You've modified it, they can't be held responsible, in large part because:
4. Hardware and software are not unconnected. I can easily physically destroy my car or computer by modifying the software that runs it. I can also make it run worse or in fact better, if I know what I'm doing but that's not Apples concern. For the majority of their ignorant customer base it is better for both parties that they strongly discourage it.
5. It sucks that Apple allows only one carrier but it's a free market which is a concept that applies both to corporations as well as consumers. If you don't like what they offer, you are free to buy another phone from another company that runs on another network.
6. AT&T or any other carrier are quite entitled to prevent you using a jailbroken phone on their network because in its modified state it can negatively impact the operation of their network. You are not technically allowed to even use an unapproved telephone on your regular, wired home telephone service for this reason and of safety.
7. There is no difference between Apples position on this and any other phone manufacturer so why the criticism? They take whatever steps are available to them in law to protect their ip, corporate and product image. Where they differ is the provision of the app store. Personally, this is a positive feature to me. If it isn't for you fine. Don't use it or buy another phone.
8. No one here has statistics for app theft. Neither do I. It's fair enough to say that some people do it, and if you have, don't, it's unethical and illegal and gives jailbreaking a bad name.
All done?
Actually the two of you are saying the same thing. The post you responded to was stating seriously that your warranty will be voided if you abuse a car.
Each to their own... if they haven't done or not chosen to do so then it's up to the individual and their problem.
Why should it be Apple's responsibility if a user does not back up their data prior to an upgrade... or generally in any case...?
Why are people complaining?
Of course the iPhone is yours the same way it is your washing machine, your DVD player or your car. You can modify them as much as you want, BUT if you want a free repair during the warranty period, it's very likely the brand won't do it. Imagine you buy a car and the very first day you modify the engine for more power. If it breaks, would you really be surprised if the sellers don't repair it for free?. Would you tell them "oh, if you had given me the power I wanted from the beginning i wouldn't have to do it myself"?
Why should Apple be different? They sell the phone as it is. If it's not enough for you, get another brand.
Of course the iPhone is yours the same way it is your washing machine, your DVD player or your car. You can modify them as much as you want, BUT if you want a free repair during the warranty period, it's very likely the brand won't do it. Imagine you buy a car and the very first day you modify the engine for more power. If it breaks, would you really be surprised if the sellers don't repair it for free?. Would you tell them "oh, if you had given me the power I wanted from the beginning i wouldn't have to do it myself"?
Why should Apple be different? They sell the phone as it is. If it's not enough for you, get another brand.
Well, turns me on! I do not want the iPhone to become an alternative Android.
I bought Macs and iPhones BECAUSE the system is locked up very well by Apple.
To me, especially on a smartphone security issues have highest priority.
That´s why I hope, the checks before permitting a new App to the store will be improved and strenghten further.
Kids who like hacking their phones should buy Android, I think.
I doubt that this issue is so cut-and-dry as you seem to believe.
Ever read up on 'Lemon Laws'? They act as a general protection from warranty abuses (e.g. a car maker stalls on repair claims until the warranty runs out) for owners of cars and other hard goods. And they inveigh against classic scams like 'you used non-stock service parts'. Now, manufacturers can be required to prove harm - they can't just void the warranty and walk away.
Given that precedent, even if smartphones aren't covered, yet...well, it's just a matter of time. Consumer groups will demand it.
If only the vagaries of warranty coverage were so easily dismissed. (see prev.)
I figure Apple was keeping DMCA as their hole-card -- a blanket defense against any and all such liability-claims. Now that it is out of the way, you can bet that some enterprising attorney will envision a class action suit the first time some popular - and, seemingly innocent - modification creates a gazillion iPhone-shaped bricks.
Or, maybe if a 3rd-party app goes nuts due to glitchy code, whether malicious or not. Like, say, if Tweetie gets compromised.
I can see why Apple wouldn't want to honor the warranty in some cases.
Not that any of the current jailbreaking software does this, but I would think it's possible to disable iOS' ability to turn the device off when it gets too warm. Over time this might potentially cause physical harm to the components inside. If Apple were to honor warranties all of the time, they would end up fixing problems that they aren't responsible for. If they honored them only when they find no jailbreaking took place, then they would still have to expend money and resources investigating the cause for each and every case even if they didn't end up fixing it.
On the other hand, I can also imagine physical defects that couldn't possibly be caused by jailbreaking and a blanket voiding of the warranty isn't exactly fair in those cases either.
Regardless, I think this decision is a net positive. Now that mod developers know they can't get slapped with a DMCA violation, more devs/talent might join in and the quality of the builds could increase as a result.
Not that any of the current jailbreaking software does this, but I would think it's possible to disable iOS' ability to turn the device off when it gets too warm. Over time this might potentially cause physical harm to the components inside. If Apple were to honor warranties all of the time, they would end up fixing problems that they aren't responsible for. If they honored them only when they find no jailbreaking took place, then they would still have to expend money and resources investigating the cause for each and every case even if they didn't end up fixing it.
On the other hand, I can also imagine physical defects that couldn't possibly be caused by jailbreaking and a blanket voiding of the warranty isn't exactly fair in those cases either.
Regardless, I think this decision is a net positive. Now that mod developers know they can't get slapped with a DMCA violation, more devs/talent might join in and the quality of the builds could increase as a result.
LOL. Unless you buy a Nexus One, all Android phones in the US are provider locked, and rooting them will void your warranty too.
Gun with no bullets
Apple's threat to void the iPhone warrantee for jailbreakers is completely meaningless for one interesting category of owners: people whose two-year contract with AT&T has expired and are willing to continue using their original iPhones. AT&T of course wants to claim that these people are still limited to them as the single authorized carrier. Anything that weakens this claim (which I suspect is legally very dubious anyway, if such owners weren't informed that this rule would be applied when they signed the original contract) and encourages such owners to shop around can only be regarded as a Good Thing.
Apple's threat to void the iPhone warrantee for jailbreakers is completely meaningless for one interesting category of owners: people whose two-year contract with AT&T has expired and are willing to continue using their original iPhones. AT&T of course wants to claim that these people are still limited to them as the single authorized carrier. Anything that weakens this claim (which I suspect is legally very dubious anyway, if such owners weren't informed that this rule would be applied when they signed the original contract) and encourages such owners to shop around can only be regarded as a Good Thing.
Yeah I found that funny as well. But -believe it or not- the term actually makes sense. In the end you are breaking a chroot jail. You can jailbreak every unix like operating system if you are in a chroot jailed environmen. As an iPhone runs unix, you can break a chroot jail there as well... hence: jailbreaking.
The DMCA is about circumventing measures that prevent you from _copying_ or _accessing_ software that you have no right to access. With jailbreaking, no copying is involved. But when you think about it, you start with an unmodified phone where you have the right to access the software. Jailbreaking doesn't give you access to software that you were not allowed to access; you _had_ permission to access the software.
That is probably one reason why Apple never used the DMCA against any jailbreaker (or has taken any legal action), because even without this ruling jailbreaking didn't actually fall under the DMCA.
Not saying Jailbreak is bad, but
You can also stick a fork down a powered toaster. It's yours and do whatever you want with it.
Come on,i respect your opinion,
but frankly can you say its the same
to snap a fork in a toaster and jailbreak YOUR!!!!!
device you paid with YOUR money...
if its..thanks..didn't notice i was actually risking my life
doing it....
now i understand why my iphone gets hot and starts to whistle!!!!!
Apple has a very bad PR this summer...better for them to change or
they will start to lose customers annoyed but its lack of simpathy (lies on antenna..thats why the bumper...,no releases [please make it today!] of new Mac Pro (..just wait...but first pay..) nor Imac,all so expensive ( i recognize the quality indeed..but..) ....) ..
so ,start to flame cheetas...