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I've already said this once, but to repeat and note it so I can say "I told you so" with proof, I expect this is exactly where things are headed, and it's not necessarily bad.

More specifically: The reason behind creating the original Mac in 1984 was to have a computer that was an appliance. Though they've in some ways gotten closer over the years, no novice user will honestly think of an OSX based computer in the same category of "automatic function" as their car or TV remote control. The iPhone is the first product that approaches that level of intuitive simplicity.

I would bet that within 5 years, give or take, Apple will have three categories of machines (four if you count servers):

  • Mobile devices, like the iPhone and Touch, that use something similar to the current iPhone OS
  • Consumer devices, taking up the same market space as the iPad, ATV, MacBook, and low-end iMacs, which will run a more advanced, powerful variant of what we now call the iPhone OS.
  • "Pro" devices, which run the more traditional MacOS, that hardware-wise will probably be MacBook Pro, Mac Pro, and maybe high-end iMacs.
  • Servers, both for consumer and big-iron use, which are the current XServe and Mac mini.

Essentially, if you break down computing into "things with tiny screens", "things for people who just want it to work", and "things for the people who create the apps and media used by the other two groups", that's how it shakes down. This doesn't bother me--half the time I, even as a pro user, just want it to work, and don't need all that horsepower. And it'll be a heck of a lot easier to set my parents up with a computer when it really IS an appliance.

And here's why Apple will continue making "pro" (new definition) MacOS-based computers, and servers: They need to use something themselves.

Apple wants to be in on the content-creation end of things--media and app programming. Both for 3rd party and in-house--they aren't about to start using Linux or Windows to program iPhone apps and the OS itself, nor will they recommend that to other developers, so to do that they need a computer/OS that we currently think of as a "real" computer. Hence the MacOS lives on, and probably tools like FCP as well, just in a different role.

As for servers, Apple almost certainly wants to fill their massive new data center with their own hardware and OS. Hence, they'll keep making the big iron for themselves, if nothing else, and the margins are good on selling XServes to others, so why not (same thing happened with Keynote, right?).

Depending on how hard they go "cloud" they might not need a "home" server, but I wouldn't be all that surprised to see them push hard into that space as well (the Mini Server is already almost there). They might even fork the server into "home" and "pro" versions, packaging the home version as an appliance to set up as the hub for all your non-pro devices.

I might be wrong, but I'll betcha this is where we end up. And, hey, so long as they keep making a "Pro" OS for people like me, I'll be happy to see us get there.
 
As a professional in the media world, the biggest perk I find to OSX is its ability to simply get out of the way so I can work. On the flipside, iPhone OS's biggest problem is that I can't escape it when doing functions on my phone. Apple wants this taking place on a larger level? The ipad is already a joke. Lord forbid it begins to invade larger devises.
 
"Hefty investment in ARM architecture.."

LOL. So now the NYT article which, without citing a source, and referring only to the generalities of what various companies might pay (and which, of course, is off by an order of magnitude), has become fact.

Macrumors is so silly sometimes. Math illiteracy is sad. Someone should hold a telethon or a benefit concert or something.
 
Where I work we'd call it "platform bring-up" anytime you have a new configuration to get running. IE, if you're introducing a new chasis with new motherboard, network cards, drive controllers, processors, etc, platform bringup would be doing the driver work, hardware configuration work, etc, etc needed to make the os boot and basically function on that new hardware. I'm skeptical of the implications the article is drawing since it'd be quite common to consider the 3g -> 3gs transition as the bringup of a "new platform".

What the hell does 'platform bring-up' mean?
 
Looks like Apple is well-prepared for the next few years. You gotta know they have a very clear and focused strategy when it comes to which direction they'll take consumer tech.
 
Everything right now is wild speculation
I am willing to wait and see how it plays out
I think the OS for the iPad is the right choice in spite of a lot of initial criticism
And I have no reason to expect Apple to sabotage their success with dumb moves in the future

Wild speculation is the backbone of this site. There would be nothing left but respectful/constructive conversation here if it weren't for wild speculation, but what good would that be.
 
Everything evolves and looks like Apple wants to stay on the leading edge and set the pace rather than play catch up

It will be interesting to see what "new devices" emerge

That may be but Microsoft has taken a good lead on Apple in in-car automation. The Sync product by Microsoft and Ford is what is selling Ford cars like crazy right now. Without the Sync product Ford would be barely scraping by.

Apple should take a good hard look at entering the auto industry like Microsoft did. GM has OnStar and Ford has Sync so it looks like Apple will have to partner with a foreign auto maker to get their wares in vehicles. VW, Mercedes, and BMW would be good partners. Heck Toyota could use a distraction right about now.
 
That may be but Microsoft has taken a good lead on Apple in in-car automation. The Sync product by Microsoft and Ford is what is selling Ford cars like crazy right now. Without the Sync product Ford would be barely scraping by.

I think it probably has more to do with the fact that they don't make cars as crappy as GM or Chrysler, and that they didn't accept a bailout.
 
I have a hard time seeing how Apple investing in the iPhone OS platform translates to death of Mac OS X. It just sounds to me like Apple is doing what is necessary for them to continue to lead and innovate in the mobile market seeing that competition is fierce and will only get more fierce if the iPad takes off.
 
The thought of ALL "Macs" some day running the "iPhone OS" (instead of regular OSX, which would then become retired/extinct) comes to mind for some reason. Imagine 30% off the profit of ALL software for the Mac going into Steve Jobs' pocket since ALL software for the iPad and iPhone and iPod Touch has to be sold through the iTunes store with no competition and no alternatives except entirely different platforms. I don't think he can resist that temptation forever. 3rd Party and Open Software will become a thing of the past and they'll just deny your application if they "feel like it" for anything, especially stuff that "competes" with Apple's own software. No Firefox. No Microsoft Office. No "racy' material. Ever. Welcome to the future of computing. Big Brother Steve is here to serve you. Please swipe your debit card NOW! :apple:
 
(Harp music wafting, screen shimmers and fades, as I drift into the future)

<Client screaming in backgroud:> "...and if you don't get that server back online RIGHT NOW, why, I'm gonna..."
<You>: "Computer."
<Computer>: "Yes?"
<You>: "Open client Smith's RDP"
<Computer>:"You need to take a pee?"
<You>: "No, no... Open client Smith's RDP"
<Computer>:"You think you have some fleas?"
<Client>: "YOU'RE FIRED!"

I'll keep my obsolete Rig for the forseeable.

Enjoy your eight track player while you are at it!
 
The value/capabilities of a MBP are already questionable. Replace OS X with iPhone OS? Ha!

I'm pretty darn sure that Apple won't do that.

It's quite a strange fear people have. Why would Apple push a million people onto Windows laptops?

I doubt there is anyone who uses an MBP for work who could honestly do their jobs on an iPad. I'm a Java developer. There is no Java on the iPad, so it's already game over.
 
Your point makes absolutely no sense. iPhone OS IS Mac OSX. It just has all the stuff it doesn't need stripped (e.g. mouse drivers and printer drivers) out and a Darwin is replaced with a different GUI layer.

The only real difference between iPhone OSX and Mac OSX under the hood is that one is compiled for intel and the other for the iPhone ARM processor with the requisite kexts.

So again, there is no way that Macs in the future will have the iPhone OS as in its user interface which you seem to imply. This would be completely absurd and goes against the OSX way of obsessiveness with UI and experience.

I believe you are misunderstanding what I'm saying. I'm not talking about the underlying technology - what I'm talking about is the implementation. OS X is not going away. However, I believe that OS X as we know it (a la Desktop / Notebooks) will either become a very small segment of Apple or go away entirely in the future.

This and the OSX platform would lose 20-30% of its base customers if access to Unix goes away.

This is going on the assumption that what I'm theorizing happens overnight. It won't. I'm not claiming that it will. If what I theorized *did* happen today, then yes... you're statement would be 100% correct. However, I'm saying that this is a gradual process, but I firmly believe that iPad is the symbol for things to come.

I know you are seems to be into crazy conspiracies, but the best user experience for a phone in Apple's view is their iPhone approach. Their best approach to the desktop experience is the OSX approach in their view and this WILL NOT change every.

I'm not sure why you've lumped into a "conspiracy theorist." I'm not also saying that I'm 100% correct and this HAS TO HAPPEN. All I'm doing (just like you) is theorizing what I've seen in the news, on Apple rumor sites, Apple statements, etc.

Why you are calling me "crazy" or using other derogatory comments is befuddling me. Why the attacks?

If anything, iPad and iPhone will continue their push toward more functionality like regular OSX as mobile hardware becomes more capable. The iPad for instance appears to be significantly more desktop capable than its iPhone/iTouch counterparts.

Also a good chunk of the business that goes to Mac OSX

Now will Apple supply a different array of PC's and computers? One this point I agree and in this regard Apple will undoubtedly choose the appropriate level of interface for each device they sell, but again everything apple is signaling on the iPhone OS platforms seems to be going toward "appliances", not PC's and computers.

I agree that the FUNCTIONALITY will begin to match their Desktop/Notebook counterparts, but the methodology, I believe, will mirror that of the iPhone rather than the Mac. I think Apple wants total control from top to bottom. Will this mean the death of the Mac? I have no idea. However, unlike you, I would not be surprised that segment eventually becomes a very small part of Apple.

Look at the signs. Look at how much Apple has pulled back from real innovation on OS X and the Mac in the past couple of years. Look at Snow Leopard. Look at the success of the App Store. Finally, look at the Apple's statements iwhen the question asked about the possibility of iPad eating into mac sales. Guess what they said?

They won't mind.


w00master
 
That may be but Microsoft has taken a good lead on Apple in in-car automation. The Sync product by Microsoft and Ford is what is selling Ford cars like crazy right now. Without the Sync product Ford would be barely scraping by.

Apple should take a good hard look at entering the auto industry like Microsoft did. GM has OnStar and Ford has Sync so it looks like Apple will have to partner with a foreign auto maker to get their wares in vehicles. VW, Mercedes, and BMW would be good partners. Heck Toyota could use a distraction right about now.
It is unlikely that we will see Apple make a move toward in-car automation. This is more the realm of third-party developers in the same way that Apple isn't developing their own turn-by-turn GPS apps and accessories.

It would be a radical departure from Apple's business model to move to a software licensing scheme since they basically use services and content to drive sales of their high-margin hardware. In-car automation doesn't fit into this current model.
 
So is the dinner I haven't eaten yet.

IMO, the iPad has the same cynical critics as when the original Mac came out in 1984. The techies couldn't stand it for what it didn't have. However, the rest of us loved it for the size, very easy to use display and applications that were built for that OS. There were very little if any ports and those that were "ports" about the only thing that ported over was the brand name.

I'm sticking to my guns and calling the iPad a game changer. You are going to see this replacing laptops in the office meeting room, classroom and field visit spaces. The first one that brings a Microsoft Office compatible app suite to this platform is going to cash in big.

... not to mention the thousand niches that this is going to be used in. Here are just a few that will kick the crap out of existing embedded systems.

* Automotive accessories.
* ATMs
* Service Kiosks
* Theaters

You just need to get your collective heads out or your collective lower body sphincters and spend a day not using your computer or you iPhone. When was the last time you did that?
 
Wow. This is a horrific rumor. i hope it's not true.
Why? Do you think that Apple would be not be better served by a special team whose chief mission is to orchestrate new iPhone OS-based platforms?

Do you think it's better that Apple divert engineering resources from their normal teams and jobs every time there's new platform development? Do you think iPhone engineers should be ripped away from the next generation iPhone in order to get device drivers running on the iPad?
 
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