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If I were Trump, I would just move on to another problem. This one is just a dead end. Don't stress or put energy over something you can't control. If someone comes into the country to kill, the people will deal with them when they commit the act.
 
Actually, it was not a majority of Americans agreeing - it was a minority. So you are wrong from the start. Apple is also not telling its customers they are stupid, it tells its customers that they have voted for someone who has no experience at being a president, but has the strong believe that everything he does is right. Because he says so. It's the truth. And that's a very bad combination for a president.

PC version of saying they are stupid and they are indeed stupid.
 
The pollsters underestimated Trumps share of the vote by 2 percentage points.
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The national polls were correct and within the margin of error. However, the US is not governed by a popular vote...but nice try.
LOL! I think the salient point being the polls were wrong, but I digress. The real issue I was writing about are these endless attacks on the President and how they bode no good for the country. By showing it's OK to denigrate him it emboldens enemies. It's also short-sighted because when 'your guy' is eventually elected he'll be open to the same treatment.
 
That's not what Trump himself said.
I don't care what he said, I'm talking about the executive order that he signed.

It's a temporary travel ban applicable to citizens from 7 specific countries. It is not an immigration ban since travel does not equal immigration and many, many other countries are not affected by it. For example, I could immigrate from Switzerland to the US, thus Trump didn't ban immigration in general.

It is not a Muslim ban either, since not only Muslims but all people in those 7 countries (irrespective of religion) are affected by it, and there are many, many more Muslims in countries not affected by this travel ban.

So if it's framed like this, it's a lot harder to virtue signal over it. Hence the lie in Bloomberg, unfortunately duly taken on by Macrumors.

As I said, these people still have no clue why Trump won and how they helped him win.
 
Not seeing your point. A very wealthy Syrian used his power and wealth to do his Doctorate in the US. While in the States, he met Jobs' mother and got her pregnant.

What does any of that have to do with the Syrian refugee crisis? Or are you being racist and saying any Syrian who visits America is the same thing? Did you just mention it because his father was Syrian and you're basically saying one Syrian is the same as any other?

The point is that as a Syrian, Jobs' father wouldn't be able to get into the country under Trump's EO.
 
I don't think civilisation will survive if we can't challenge each other's ideas.

100% agree.

But conservatives can also be pretty keen to hide in a safe space without liberal ideas too.

But it's the left who has brought us to a point where discussion is impossible. If I go out and say I support trump, I'm racist.

If I'm *against* segregated schools (which we have in Toronto), I'm racist. That one is mind-boggling to me but it's what the left here has done.

I'm not allowed to wear a t-shirt in the public pool for hygiene reasons but if I'm against a woman wearing a full niquab in the same pool as me, I'm racist (currently a major issue around here).

I can't bring my pen knife into a government building in Canada, but a Sikh can bring in his ceremonial dagger with a 6" blade. If I ask why that is, I'm racist.

And apparently our zoning laws are now racist because we don't allow prayer rooms to be opened in commercial zoned space now. It's so racist for a business owner to want other similar businesses for neighbours, isn't it?

The left has played the everyone is racist card so much the past few years people are sick of it.

And the part that really amazes me, is the same people on the left claim to support women's rights and muslim rights to misogyny. How do their brains not explode from paradox?
 
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You don't see the difference between importing high intellects and Jews from Europe, vs. importing millions of people from the world's most dysfunctional non-Western countries, where antisemitism, terror, violence, child marriages, and intolerance against free speech, gays, women, and any other religion than Islam is part of the dominant culture? Not to mention a lack of interest in working and contributing the their host country's economy and welfare system.

This is the kind of hypocrisy and political correct nonsense that made people vote for Trump in the first place.

These countries are not democracies. That means that imposed laws do not represent what people think or how they behave would they be in a democratic system. Do not judge the people of a country by its government, especially if it is an autocratic one.

It's mind boggling that a temporary suspension of travel to the US from citizens of 7 countries is advertised as an "immigration ban". This kind of astonishingly barefaced lie is what got Trump elected to begin with, and they're still at it.

Well, members of Trump's administration (including Trump) called it a ban. Either way, they prohibited entry of all citizens from 8 countries, including people with green cards, legal residents in the United States. It is temporary? Sure, then it's a temporary ban.
 
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If I were Trump, I would just move on to another problem. This one is just a dead end. Don't stress or put energy over something you can't control. If someone comes into the country to kill, the people will deal with them when they commit the act.

Sounds like the modern left. Do what's easy and popular.

Nero was right to play his fiddle while Rome burned. Putting out the fires would have been hard work and the fiddle music might make people feel a bit better as they watch their civilization burn to the ground around them.
 
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These countries are not democracies. That means that imposed laws do not represent what people think or would they behave would they be in a democratic system. Do not judge the people of a country by its government, especially if it is an autocratic one.
When an alleged democracy like US out of all 300 million people pick from these 2 rays of sunshine I'd say I have very strong reasons to judge.
 
The left has played the everyone is racist card so much the past few years people are sick of it.
The real problem is how normal people pay the least bit of attention to them. If more and more people simply ignore their wailing they will have no power at all, and it seems as if this is starting to happen. Guilt is powerful and has been exploited by religions for millennia. The Left (or whatever you want to call them) have taken it up these past several decades. Time to stop them in their tracks.
And the part that amazes me, is the same people on the left claim to support women's rights and muslim rights to misogyny. How do their brains not explode from paradox.
Because they aren't using their brains, and I don't mean that as a schoolyard taunt; they have put their feelings and emotions above anything else.
 
Oh Apple.
Complaining when the government ask you to keep your foreign workers outside the US borders.
Complaining when the government ask you to take your foreign money inside the US borders.

Disclaimer: I do disapprove the anti immigration law.
 
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Silly move and symptomatic of Apple's exaggerated sense of its own importance. Trump had a good majority of americans agreeing with him so Apple is now telling most of its customers they are stupid.

Numerical indicators suggest he had a good minority of americans agreeing with him by a deficit of ~3 million.
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It's mind boggling that a temporary suspension of travel to the US from citizens of 7 countries is advertised as an "immigration ban". This kind of astonishingly barefaced lie is what got Trump elected to begin with, and they're still at it.

Trump keeps calling it a ban in his tweets. If anyone is advertising it as a ban, it's him.
 
Well, members of Trump's administration (including Trump) called it a ban. Either way, they prohibited entry of all citizens from 8 countries, including people with green cards, legal residents in the United States. It is temporary? Sure, then it's a temporary ban.
It's actually 7 countries (Iran, Iraq, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, Syria, and Yemen). It's a ban all right, but it's not an "immigration ban" by any stretch of imagination. Most people in the world can still attempt to immigrate to the US and they aren't affected by this executive order.

Who in the administration called it an "immigration ban"? I haven't seen this. I'm not talking about campaign gibberish, I'm talking about post-inauguration actual policy here.
 
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Silly move and symptomatic of Apple's exaggerated sense of its own importance. Trump had a good majority of americans agreeing with him so Apple is now telling most of its customers they are stupid.

As a tax-paying private organization, Apple has the right to express their discontent with current policies. They are not calling anyone stupid.
 
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Trump keeps calling it a ban in his tweets. If anyone is advertising it as a ban, it's him.
If you're going to refute what I wrote, well, refute what I wrote. I didn't say it's not a ban. I said it's a temporary travel restriction (call it a ban, that's fine) and not an "immigration ban" or a "Muslim ban", since it doesn't generally apply to all immigration or to all Muslims.

Again, most people in the world can still attempt to immigrate to the US, they aren't affected by this executive order, and most Muslims can still travel to the US, since many, many more Muslims live outside those 7 countries then inside them.
 
And the part that really amazes me, is the same people on the left claim to support women's rights and muslim rights to misogyny. How do their brains not explode from paradox?

Not all Muslims are misognyists, just like not all Christians are Evangelical flat-earthers. There are degrees to things. If you look at people as complicated beasts that can't be lumped under one or two umbrellas based on a singular trait, who each have their values formed throughout the span of their entire individual life experience, then you might appreciate why you have difficulty understanding the paradox.
 
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LOL! I think the salient point being the polls were wrong, but I digress. The real issue I was writing about are these endless attacks on the President and how they bode no good for the country. By showing it's OK to denigrate him it emboldens enemies. It's also short-sighted because when 'your guy' is eventually elected he'll be open to the same treatment.

No actually both points are true. Polls usually have a margin of error of 3-4 points.
 
Not all Muslims are misognyists, just like not all Christians are Evangelical flat-earthers. There are degrees to things. If you look at people as complicated beasts that can't be lumped under one or two umbrellas based on a singular trait, who each have their values formed throughout the span of their entire individual life experience, then you might appreciate why you have difficulty understanding the paradox.

Um, where in my post did I say all Muslims are misogynists? I said the same people who support women's rights also support the Muslim right to misogyny. Which is certainly true.

Nice debating tactic though. Pretend I said something I didn't, attack your own made up version of what I never actually said and make it look ridiculous, and then pretend it invalidates what I did say. Straight out of the liberal handbook.
 
Sounds like the modern left. Do what's easy and popular.

Nero was right to play his fiddle while Rome burned. Putting out the fires would have been hard work and the fiddle music might make people feel a bit better as they watch their civilization burn to the ground around them.

Sounds like the modern right. Entirely devoid of any well thought through ideas.

Although behind the public face plenty of conservatives actually have good ideas. Just they aren't taken up.
 
If you're going to refute what I wrote, well, refute what I wrote. I didn't say it's not a ban. I said it's a temporary travel restriction (call it a ban, that's fine) and not an "immigration ban" or a "Muslim ban", since it doesn't generally apply to all immigration or to all Muslims.

Again, most people in the world can still attempt to immigrate to the US, they aren't affected by this executive order, and most Muslims can still travel to the US, since many, many more Muslims live outside those 7 countries then inside them.

Your mind was boggled by why it was being advertised as a ban, I posited that it was because the president was calling it a ban. No one calls a coke a caffeinated soda, because Coca Cola call it a coke.
 
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