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The issue is that in between, say, 600 and 1880 being a woman under Islam would have been superior than under Christianity. It's only in the 150 years since then that that has reversed. Hell it was probably better being a woman under Islam until 1918.

Yes, great Christianity is ahead today, but so what?



So are you OK with me judging Christians on the behaviour of the Spanish Inquisition and indulgences etc etc?

I said all religion is evil. You also have the dates wrong. Golden age of islam was between ~800 and 1100 AD and since then women in islam countries have suffered greatly and can't be compared to anything in Europe or America.
 
Take a look around Paris, London, or Toronto and then say it's not their religion but their governments.

In Toronto, which i know first hand, if a Muslim woman doesn't submit to all of that treatment, her family back home will be punished for her transgression. The Muslim community here reports "back home".

Women here, in Toronto, are regularly beaten by husbands, brothers, fathers, and community leaders. And if they go to the police, their family is murdered "back home". And you believe that's caused by far off governments and not their culture here?

I would like to read more about these. Can you provide me statistics and facts on how many people live like that? Or is it a gross generalization, or some widespread urban rumors?

Yes, but this is proof to support what I'm saying. This ban clearly applies to all entries from those specific 7 countries, not only to immigrants, and not immigration in general.

Calling it an "immigration ban" is like saying that Apple makes only desktop personal computers. It's simply false.

Fine, it's a people ban from those 7 countries. To me, it sounds even worse.
 
I said all religion is evil. You also have the dates wrong. Golden age of silam was between ~800 and 1100 AD and since then women in islam countries have suffered greatly and can't be compared to anything in Europe or America.

Women under Christianity got **** all inheritance until the late 19th century, they got **** all education, they couldn't vote and they had to go to the doctor to get an orgasm.

At least under Islam they did get things like inheritance - albeit a reduced share.
 
Yes, great Christianity is ahead today, but so what?

So why try to improve society at all if you're going to say it will never live down the sins of the past?

Things were bad, they're better now. Seems like a good thing to me.


So are you OK with me judging Christians on the behaviour of the Spanish Inquisition and indulgences etc etc?

Certainly. If you fairly consider that they have gone from what they were back then to what they are now. A difficult past that they've worked to improve.

And judge Muslims the say way. Look at the past and what they've done with the last millennium.
 
It's mind boggling that a temporary suspension of travel to the US from citizens of 7 countries is advertised as an "immigration ban". This kind of astonishingly barefaced lie is what got Trump elected to begin with, and they're still at it.
They simple hate Trump. Facts will be twisted. Lies will be told. It doesn't matter to the left. Whatever brings down Trump is acceptable to the left. The ends justifies the means.
 
Women under Christianity got **** all inheritance until the late 19th century, they got **** all education, they couldn't vote and they had to go to the doctor to get an orgasm.

At least under Islam they did get things like inheritance - albeit a reduced share.

So in your view, not being allowed to inherit property is the same as *being* property?

Not being able to get an education is the same as being a slave.
 
Women under Christianity got **** all inheritance until the late 19th century, they got **** all education, they couldn't vote and they had to go to the doctor to get an orgasm.

At least under Islam they did get things like inheritance - albeit a reduced share.
I'm not sure if this is serious or not. Women in some Islamic countries who get RAPED get sent to prison for "adultury". It's insane.
 
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And many of those living modern lives if asked if it's ok to kill in the name of god will say YES. That's the main problem with islam.

Got any evidence for that?

I'm not sure if this is serious or not. Women in some Islamic countries who get RAPED get sent to prison for "adultury". It's insane.

Yet, Women in some Islamic countries who get RAPED get to go to court and send the rapist to a life in prison. perhaps the problem is in the countries and not in the islam itself, right?
 
Oh I see. So if there's someone who's not a Muslim but is a misogynist, it somehow changes the fact that the Muslim culture is misogynistic? Really? There's some interesting logic.

Mate, you go talk to a few women for a while, I think you'll find that misogyny is a problem regardless of skin colour or which particular wizard in the sky you subscribe too. This is a holistic problem that affects society as a whole. Are some people who live in mud huts in the desert of know-where a little further behind on their education of the problem, yes. Should this be used as a weight against all people that subscribe to that particular wizard theory? No.

I'm pretty sure the Quran doesn't start "Chapter 1: Treat your women badly", followed by "Chapter 2: have you got your woman under control yet? deride her some more her".
 
You said:

"It's mind boggling that a temporary suspension of travel to the US from citizens of 7 countries is advertised as an "immigration ban"."

I'm saying the reason people are calling it a ban is because Trump himself repeatedly called it a ban. That is why we are using that term. That is why is being talked about as a ban. I can not be more explicit about the reasoning this is being called a ban. Now maybe my reading comprehension is incredibly poor but I'm shocked that you've had to reply to this 8 times to be honest.
To be honest I don't understand why you think that "ban" and "immigration ban" are the same thing.
 
Silly move and symptomatic of Apple's exaggerated sense of its own importance. Trump had a good majority of americans agreeing with him so Apple is now telling most of its customers they are stupid.

What polls are you reading? Good majority?? Oh, by the way, you see that "Apple's exaggerated sense of it's own importance" is shared with 99 other major companies.
Most Americans not only disapprove of Trumps immigration policy, they disapprove of him. Not to mention that his main advisor is as close to a Neo-Nazi as you can be.
 
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I'd say first-hand experience seeing women treated as slaves by the muslim community in Toronto, Canada, refutes your argument that it's not the culture but the middle-eastern governments that abuse women.

We already asked you to back up your statement with evidence. You don't. You won't ever going to win an argument with those statements. We need facts. That's how people argue.
 
Got any evidence for that?


Yet, Women in some Islamic countries who get RAPED get to go to court and send the rapist to a life in prison. perhaps the problem is in the countries and not in the islam itself, right?
Latest pols in the UK say 70% are ok with killing in the name of god.

Do you know if a woman was raped in islamic country it's her fault and in some countries her husband can kill her for that?
 
Don't we have PRSI regular whose a Muslim female perhaps she could shed some light on the conversation?
 
Latest pols in the UK say 70% are ok with killing in the name of god.

Do you know if a woman was raped in islamic country it's her fault and in some countries her husband can kill her for that?

Source

Regarding the second part: I quoted you on that before. Did you read it?
 
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