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Wireless charging produces unnecessary long term heat and stresses your battery, in an Iphone with a sealed battery that's bad.

what you want is QUICK CHARGE....

My phone lasts all day >24hours (3000 mAh) so I simply wake up, plug in the charger, get ready, unplug and leave. I do not leave it plugged in all night that's horrible for your battery.

No fancy charger, phone battery lasts longer (Not stressed) . Its not that hard to plug stuff in people.
I have wireless charging and NFC and don't use either (and a removable battery and SD card too)

In reality and you probably don't want to hear this... you current phone has everything cool already and any other add ons are fluff. So think twice about buying new and color is not a feature. Plus you put a case on it because apl phones are fragile so color does not matter even if chipped. Quick charge and OLED are the only real worth it add-ons.
I enjoy that my phone has quick charge capabilities built-in, and frequently use it while in my car. But unfortunately, quick charge isn't super great for the battery either. It is for a much shorter time, but you still heat up the battery much higher than a slower charge over several hours would. Each time that my phone has frozen while plugged in, it has been to a quick charge charger. I think it is the main board overheating due to the battery heat and high CPU usage.

Just curious, what phone do you use? I've added a Qi charger to my G4, so I have similar specs you do (wireless charging, NFC, removable 3000 mAH battery, and microSD card)
 
Qi standard is just fine.

One of the features I miss the most when I moved from Nexus5 to iPhone 6+ was the Qi charging.

The technology is cheap to implement, works great (I got about 70% of the wired charging speed on my Nexus when using Qi) and the convenience is just unimaginable if you have never used it before. I had a charger next to my bed, in the living and another that I macgyvered onto a car phone holder. When I'm at home, I just drop on it and it would charge.

Sure long range charging would be better, but from a tech standpoint of view, I really wouldn't want to be near a transmitter capable of delivering power wirelessly over several fts. The amount of energy wasted in the middle would either go to waste, or onto whatever it can find in its way; one of those things being human body.

However, I do think that if Apple were to incorporate Qi onto the next iPhone, they should also adopt TransferJet. It offers up to 560Mbits/s (symmetrical) and we could finally eliminate the need of a wire once for all.
 
It's a shame as magnetic resonance would have been a much better choice. A lot more freedom than Qi and the same transmitter could charge your laptop.
 
I enjoy that my phone has quick charge capabilities built-in, and frequently use it while in my car. But unfortunately, quick charge isn't super great for the battery either. It is for a much shorter time, but you still heat up the battery much higher than a slower charge over several hours would. Each time that my phone has frozen while plugged in, it has been to a quick charge charger. I think it is the main board overheating due to the battery heat and high CPU usage.

Just curious, what phone do you use? I've added a Qi charger to my G4, so I have similar specs you do (wireless charging, NFC, removable 3000 mAH battery, and microSD card)


Lumia 950. Has an 808 Snapdragon. I get up at 5:30 plug in at 5:35 leave at ~6:30 100% charge.. rinse repeat. I think the 55 minutes of quick charge once a day is fine.
 
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This is not what consumers want, we want wireless charging and Energous has it. We have seen the videos of it charging wirelessly, they have the tech.

http://energous.com/technology/transmitters/

When traveling, think about your charging situation there, size, bulk, and power receptacles.

What about charging in your car? I need a pad for that.

Think of how much space the pad will take up versus a plug and cable.

The pad is old tech, and a gimmick. Wait for the wireless charging.

Heres whats going to happen...the 8 will have the cool screen, no headphone jack, pad charging....the 8s might have the actual wireless charging, if not, the 9 will for sure. The tech is out there.
 
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Cue the "Apple blind followers hate it because Samsung does it but will love pad-based wireless charging once Apple does it."

Nope. Still not a great idea. Limits the phone to 3 inches of space to use while charging, versus 3-6 feet for a cable.

Hopefully Apple will not go the expected "our way or the highway" route and do what everyone else does: offer the option to use a cable as well.
 
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This is not what consumers want, we want wireless charging and Energous has it. We have seen the videos of it charging wirelessly, they have the tech.

http://energous.com/technology/transmitters/

When traveling, think about your charging situation there, size, bulk, and power receptacles.

What about charging in your car? I need a pad for that.

Think of how much space the pad will take up versus a plug and cable.

The pad is old tech, and a gimmick. Wait for the wireless charging.

Heres whats going to happen...the 8 will have the cool screen, no headphone jack, pad charging....the 8s might have the actual wireless charging, if not, the 9 will for sure. The tech is out there.
Why is it a gimmick, it works. Whether you like how it works is irrevant, but you can charge your device without plugging a cable into it, simple by placing it on a desk. The end.
 
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This is not what consumers want, we want wireless charging and Energous has it. We have seen the videos of it charging wirelessly, they have the tech.

http://energous.com/technology/transmitters/

When traveling, think about your charging situation there, size, bulk, and power receptacles.

What about charging in your car? I need a pad for that.

Think of how much space the pad will take up versus a plug and cable.

The pad is old tech, and a gimmick. Wait for the wireless charging.

Heres whats going to happen...the 8 will have the cool screen, no headphone jack, pad charging....the 8s might have the actual wireless charging, if not, the 9 will for sure. The tech is out there.
You have seen marketing videos of their wireless charging tech. Reality paint's a different picture. CES 2017 just passed.
http://seekingalpha.com/article/4036499-energous-expectations-ces-2017
 
What you describe sounds like the same dock Apple has had for years. It's easy to just pop the phone onto the dock, and it keeps the cable from falling behind the nightstand. That being said, I still think this is a good idea.

I should have added this: No aiming or inserting. Nothing to break off. Literally drop-it-on-the-mat-or-stand easy.

A dock is the next best thing, but others here have already provided examples of how Qi charging can be more useful in other certain scenarios.
 
I thought the idea was they were going mat-free. If only the OLED screen version has this Apple are having a laugh.
 
Let's hope Apple stops shipping headphones in the box. Got way too many stock piled at this point. Nor have I ever actually used them, preferring to wear my own set. I wouldn't mind no charging cable either if there was a separate wireless charging pad for purchase. For the many of us who buy a new phone every year I wish it were as simple as walking up to an iPhone vending machine and getting just the phone. I always leave the iPhone box in the store anyway for them to recycle (probably trashed). Such a waste of material.
May I have the earphones please!! They stole my EarPods at work 3 times last year
 
I am fricking neutral on your main point. I didn't miss your point, I simply decided not to comment on it. I only have some beef with one of your arguments. But you keep changing the topic from that single argument away to your larger point.

Ok, then, let me address it all item by item:

"What I am getting at is that you imply that because Apple has not implemented wireless charging, you have to fish for a cable. Which simply is false, you can get a charging dock and you don't have to fish for the cable." My argument is absolutely true, unless you have a dock, at which point you have to aim, fish for the jack-hole, and make sure the connection is secure. Being able to just literally drop the device onto a surface is an un-arguable advantage.

"You touted not-having-to-fish-for-a-cable as an advantage of wireless charging, which is patently wrong." Again, it is an advantage, unless you enjoy being forced to insert something, and making sure its in correctly. If you have an iPhone, you WILL fish, period.

"You talked up wireless charging using an invalid argument (among several valid arguments). That is what I am getting at, you embellished the point for wireless charging with an incorrect argument." It is not an invalid argument in the scenarios I presented.

If we want to argue about the semantics of it all, then let me ammend my statement:

For those who would rather not have to go fishing for something when you need to charge your device, a Qi charger has a distinct advantage over plug-in solutions.
 
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Worthless features. Charging on a slab is worse than charging via cord because you can charge and use phone with cord. Boring.
 
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This is not what consumers want, we want wireless charging and Energous has it. We have seen the videos of it charging wirelessly, they have the tech.

http://energous.com/technology/transmitters/

When traveling, think about your charging situation there, size, bulk, and power receptacles.

What about charging in your car? I need a pad for that.

Think of how much space the pad will take up versus a plug and cable.

The pad is old tech, and a gimmick. Wait for the wireless charging.

Heres whats going to happen...the 8 will have the cool screen, no headphone jack, pad charging....the 8s might have the actual wireless charging, if not, the 9 will for sure. The tech is out there.
Actually, no one knows what energous has because they don't give working examples that can charge a phone as they have claimed it's becoming more obvious that they probably can't deliver on the promise. Being that the CTO of the company has dumped 90% of his stock would tell you that he doesn't have much hope for the product either.
 
The wireless charging can be introduced as short range (I.e. requiring a mat) and long range functionality can be added later.
RF charging works with both, as it depends on the intensity of the transmitter. The long range could be added once the technology is refined and the transmitters are miniaturized.

But wouldn't Apple have a red face if their wireless charging solution was Qi with no long range capacity? How many interviews did they say there was no benefit to the Qi type system! How long have competitors had Qi, with Apple coming years late to the game.

It would be a slap in the face to all customers.
 
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But wouldn't Apple have a red face if their wireless charging solution was Qi with no long range capacity? How many interviews did they say there was no benefit to the Qi type system! How long have competitors had Qi, with Apple coming years late to the game.

It would be a slap in the face to all customers.
I agree, but their previous statements wouldn't impact the general consumer. But I agree with those statements, it actually provide less convenience in almost all scenarios.

If they introduced RF charging, I think they would still support short range because of the smaller transmitter size.
 
What I am getting at is that you imply that because Apple has not implemented wireless charging, you have to fish for a cable. Which simply is false, you can get a charging dock and you don't have to fish for the cable. You touted not-having-to-fish-for-a-cable as an advantage of wireless charging, which is patently wrong. You talked up wireless charging using an invalid argument (among several valid arguments). That is what I am getting at, you embellished the point for wireless charging with an incorrect argument.

And putting an iPhone on a cherging dock in the dark is a PITA. Doubly so with a case. I have the Apple leather case. There has been a number of times where I thought I had my phone plugged in on the dock, only to wake up (or not) to a dead phone and realise that the "connection" was the dock's lightning connector wedging itself between the phone and the case. My Nexus, I just placed on the cradle and it was all good.
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If it's Qi-standard based, then yes.

Me and the wife use this at home with our Note5s. It charges the same upright or sideways (the phone, not the charger):

Turbot-Qi-Wireless-Charging-Stand.jpg

That's what I used on my Nexus5. Bonus was that a clock was set as a screen saver. And the built-in alarm had buton large enough to actually hit before putting my glasses on. It was as simple as plcing the phone on the dock, and instant alarm clock. My iPhone, I have to try and align it properly to the connector on the dock and start the alarm app. Yes, I know the iphone has a built in alarm, but 1) the buttons to turn it off are way too small and 2) I like to have a clock displayed for when I wake in the night. iPhone can't do either.
 
Ok, then, let me address it all item by item:

"What I am getting at is that you imply that because Apple has not implemented wireless charging, you have to fish for a cable. Which simply is false, you can get a charging dock and you don't have to fish for the cable." My argument is absolutely true, unless you have a dock,
But you don't have to wait for Apple to get a dock, thus this is not a problem that Apple needs to solve. It is already solved (by the fact that docks are available).
at which point you have to aim, fish for the jack-hole, and make sure the connection is secure.
And that is a separate point, I didn't have any problems with. In fact, in other post, I pointed out that the key feature of charging mats or cradles (using the term wireless charging will get some people riled up) is that there is no need to plug anything in, which often also means one-handed use is possible.
Being able to just literally drop the device onto a surface is an un-arguable advantage.
Don't you get it? I am not contesting all your other points.
 
Doubting it would be a either-or... meaning wireless charging AND Lightning charging. Lightning does more stuff than just charge iPhone. Can't be eliminated and still do the other stuff.

Agreed. this tiresome argument is always brought up when it will be in addition to the way they do it already. You will have to buy the pad separately to use this anyway.

Unless of course Apple pulls the port and if they do it will be the start of something very different. So if you don't see the point of inductive charging don't worry you can vote with your wallet.

The same argument always comes up with the iris scanner threads as well. People don't want it but can always use the fingerprint sensor.

Looks like it will be inductive charging on the next phone will be interested to see their take on it. If they could get it to fast charge super quick that would be great.
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hahahahaha, can not wait to hear what marketing garbage apple comes up with to pretend it is not just Qi.

"Today we are introducing wireless charging. (crowd golf claps when they find out it is Qi) We weren't satisfied with the current standard so we decided to make it better. When you set your phone on the pad it will go from 10% battery to 50% in 30 seconds." (crowds roars)

"The pad will start at $129 and ship in time for Christmas." (crickets)
 
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There's no real point pushing Qi in my opinion when there's short range and long range RF.
I have a problem with the term wireless charging, because it still has to be plugged in and the phone rested on the charger.
A mat is not real wireless charging.
I get the point that mat induction charging isn't true wireless charging.
The distinctions people are drawing are getting kind of silly. Qi goes into the hundreds of kHz which can be considered RF. A mat is just as "wireless" as WiFi is. I think some people are trying to say a mat isn't wireless because you need a wire to the mat and want to contrast that with something like Energous-- but the Energous base stations need wires too.

There are three categories of technology that I see being discussed: those that transfer power by conduction, those that rely on reactive (or near) fields, and those that rely on radiated (or far) fields. If it isn't powered by conduction, it's wireless.

It's pointless to try and change, narrow or distort the meaning of words like "wireless" and "RF" to mean something special here. There are plenty of words already in existence that distinguish the different technologies-- can we just use them?
Qi charging is not very healthy for the batteries, since they are being constantly blasted with radiation. Many Note7 failures happened while on a Qi wireless charger. Personally, i will take take the time to plug my phone in if it reduces the chance of me having to buy a new house.
Wireless charging produces unnecessary long term heat and stresses your battery, in an Iphone with a sealed battery that's bad.

what you want is QUICK CHARGE....
This doesn't really make sense. Magnetic fields aren't radiation. If the battery itself is susceptible to the magnetic fields it is a combination of bad luck and bad design.

If you're worried about heat and stress, then quick charging sounds like the worst possible thing to do-- more current in less time means more heat buildup and more stress.

Lithium Ion battery life is measured in charge cycles so whether you are discharging and charging, or constantly topping off doesn't make a difference-- a typical battery can pass so many coulombs in its life regardless of how many times it was plugged in. If you are plugged in to the charger and the device powers itself from the line voltage rather than the battery (which would make more sense that constantly charging and discharging the battery) then the battery will receive less wear.
Long range or it isn't happening ;)
"Long range" isn't happening if long range means out of the near field.
Long range isn't happening. That is a year or two off. The tech just isn't at a practical level yet. Inductive charging is tried and true. Long range will be great but inductive is welcome.
Can anyone explain to me how long range charging is meant to work? I'm assuming they're trying to operate in the unlicensed ISM bands. Current ISM band restrictions in the US limit power to 1W of conducted power through a maximum 6dBi antenna.

Basically that means if you capture all of the energy transmitted, you get 1W at your device. But to capture all of the power, you need an enormous antenna. As a rough estimate, if you want to capture that full 1W at a distance of 5m from the source, you need an antenna with an aperture of about 20 square meters. Not something that will readily fit in your pocket.

If you make the transmit antenna more directional, the FCC requires you to also reduce the conducted power meaning that you might be able to make the receive antenna smaller but then your best case power recovery becomes much less than a Watt.

Am I missing something here?
 
The distinctions people are drawing are getting kind of silly. Qi goes into the hundreds of kHz which can be considered RF. A mat is just as "wireless" as WiFi is. I think some people are trying to say a mat isn't wireless because you need a wire to the mat and want to contrast that with something like Energous-- but the Energous base stations need wires too.

There are three categories of technology that I see being discussed: those that transfer power by conduction, those that rely on reactive (or near) fields, and those that rely on radiated (or far) fields. If it isn't powered by conduction, it's wireless.

It's pointless to try and change, narrow or distort the meaning of words like "wireless" and "RF" to mean something special here. There are plenty of words already in existence that distinguish the different technologies-- can we just use them?


This doesn't really make sense. Magnetic fields aren't radiation. If the battery itself is susceptible to the magnetic fields it is a combination of bad luck and bad design.

If you're worried about heat and stress, then quick charging sounds like the worst possible thing to do-- more current in less time means more heat buildup and more stress.

Lithium Ion battery life is measured in charge cycles so whether you are discharging and charging, or constantly topping off doesn't make a difference-- a typical battery can pass so many coulombs in its life regardless of how many times it was plugged in. If you are plugged in to the charger and the device powers itself from the line voltage rather than the battery (which would make more sense that constantly charging and discharging the battery) then the battery will receive less wear.

"Long range" isn't happening if long range means out of the near field.

Can anyone explain to me how long range charging is meant to work? I'm assuming they're trying to operate in the unlicensed ISM bands. Current ISM band restrictions in the US limit power to 1W of conducted power through a maximum 6dBi antenna.

Basically that means if you capture all of the energy transmitted, you get 1W at your device. But to capture all of the power, you need an enormous antenna. As a rough estimate, if you want to capture that full 1W at a distance of 5m from the source, you need an antenna with an aperture of about 20 square meters. Not something that will readily fit in your pocket.

If you make the transmit antenna more directional, the FCC requires you to also reduce the conducted power meaning that you might be able to make the receive antenna smaller but then your best case power recovery becomes much less than a Watt.

Am I missing something here?

The best way to use Li-ion is to avoid the extremes...your battery hates 100% and it hates near 0% both those states cause extreme battery stress. So by avoiding "all-night" charging that is constantly cycling that battery up to 100% top off you in essence avoid stress on it and make it last 3-4x longer. This is conditioning your battery to be happy and last longer daily.

Of course Apl (and others) will not tell you this, it takes someone like me (who did the research) to educate people on how LI-Ion batteries work. Your goal should be to operate between 99% down to about 10% with 40%-50% being where your battery is happiest.

So my 55 minute quick charge when i get up before I leave to work is excellent, I can pop off the charger right when it gets to 100% then last until next morning , wake up rinse repeat... once a month I do a calibration charge .

Thats drain to empty and charge all the way up. I do this on my Surface Pro 4 too.Wireless charging is totally unnecessary and worse, when you have quick charge and common sense.
 
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You might have to eventually move from lightning to USB-C, but there's no reason to think that Apple would eliminate corded charging. That wouldn't make any sense. Every phone available with Qi charging also has corded charging capability. Qi would just be additive.
Yeah, I guess I have a few assumptions baked into my opinion...

Inductive charging has been around for a very long time and Apple hasn't adopted it. Usually that means they don't see a benefit to it over other available solutions-- or that they've become so stubborn they won't admit to a benefit (see mouse, one button).

Now there's talk of it coming up again, and the chatter is loud enough that I'm pretty sure there's at least some prototypes out there that triggered the leaks. So what changed? Why now?

It might be that the technology has finally become mature enough that they trust it. Maybe they're using the NFC antenna as the charge coil and could miniaturize it enough that they aren't wasting a lot of space on it, and they think they've dialed in the user experience. That doesn't feel right to me though-- they just got rid of the headphone jack because they're running out of space internally. I can't imagine they'd use precious space to add a redundant feature. "Me too" isn't typically Apple's way.

The only thing I can figure is that they suddenly see an advantage. The advantage that stands out to me, in combination with the move to make the housing more water proof, is that they can eliminate the lightning port and seal up the enclosure. Wireless power, wireless data.

This is also why I don't expect to ever see USB-C in an iPhone. There's no real advantage over lightning. If they were starting from scratch, maybe they would because it meets their goals of power, data, flexibility and reversibility. In the end though, it only meets those goals, it doesn't bring anything new to the party. Why cause the disruption of changing connectors just for the sake of it. It would be more "standard", but lightning is already a standard for every iPhone user.
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Your gal should be to operate between 99% down to about 10%
Why not make 100% lower and make 100% the top number, and make that a little louder lower?
 
Can anyone explain to me how long range charging is meant to work? I'm assuming they're trying to operate in the unlicensed ISM bands. Current ISM band restrictions in the US limit power to 1W of conducted power through a maximum 6dBi antenna.

Basically that means if you capture all of the energy transmitted, you get 1W at your device. But to capture all of the power, you need an enormous antenna. As a rough estimate, if you want to capture that full 1W at a distance of 5m from the source, you need an antenna with an aperture of about 20 square meters. Not something that will readily fit in your pocket.

If you make the transmit antenna more directional, the FCC requires you to also reduce the conducted power meaning that you might be able to make the receive antenna smaller but then your best case power recovery becomes much less than a Watt.

Am I missing something here?

Nope, you got it. It's not efficient enough yet which is why we are much likelier to see inductive on this years phone.
 
The distinctions people are drawing are getting kind of silly. Qi goes into the hundreds of kHz which can be considered RF. A mat is just as "wireless" as WiFi is. I think some people are trying to say a mat isn't wireless because you need a wire to the mat and want to contrast that with something like Energous-- but the Energous base stations need wires too.

There are three categories of technology that I see being discussed: those that transfer power by conduction, those that rely on reactive (or near) fields, and those that rely on radiated (or far) fields. If it isn't powered by conduction, it's wireless.

It's pointless to try and change, narrow or distort the meaning of words like "wireless" and "RF" to mean something special here. There are plenty of words already in existence that distinguish the different technologies-- can we just use them?


This doesn't really make sense. Magnetic fields aren't radiation. If the battery itself is susceptible to the magnetic fields it is a combination of bad luck and bad design.

If you're worried about heat and stress, then quick charging sounds like the worst possible thing to do-- more current in less time means more heat buildup and more stress.

Lithium Ion battery life is measured in charge cycles so whether you are discharging and charging, or constantly topping off doesn't make a difference-- a typical battery can pass so many coulombs in its life regardless of how many times it was plugged in. If you are plugged in to the charger and the device powers itself from the line voltage rather than the battery (which would make more sense that constantly charging and discharging the battery) then the battery will receive less wear.

"Long range" isn't happening if long range means out of the near field.

Can anyone explain to me how long range charging is meant to work? I'm assuming they're trying to operate in the unlicensed ISM bands. Current ISM band restrictions in the US limit power to 1W of conducted power through a maximum 6dBi antenna.

Basically that means if you capture all of the energy transmitted, you get 1W at your device. But to capture all of the power, you need an enormous antenna. As a rough estimate, if you want to capture that full 1W at a distance of 5m from the source, you need an antenna with an aperture of about 20 square meters. Not something that will readily fit in your pocket.

If you make the transmit antenna more directional, the FCC requires you to also reduce the conducted power meaning that you might be able to make the receive antenna smaller but then your best case power recovery becomes much less than a Watt.

Am I missing something here?
No, Inductive charging isn't considered wireless because your phone has to be tethered to one spot, often in one position, while it charges.
 
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