Apple Just Broke a Tradition It Held for 12 Years

[adib]

Was it though I’m still using a 2018 iPad Pro and plan to finally upgrade when they release the next model. However my current iPad still is snappy and fast

It should. Disney Dreamlight Valley doesn't want to work on our iPad Mini 5 and iPad 2020. The iPad Mini 6 is already one processor generation behind.

 

[smulji]

Without a full powerful software on par with MacOS, the iPad Pro is dead in the water. Which is a shame

Edited:

I actually think we will see more macOS features make their way to iPadOS but not all. I prefer to see the division between iPad and Mac as this:

iPad - Computer for the rest of us
Mac - high-end tool for professional users

 

[smulji]

I do not think iPadOS is limited due to fear of cannibalization. I believe Apple keeps trying to provide a better user experience than with the traditional "PC OS" model. Sometimes the limitations improve UX. Security is a good example: it is great to have iPadOS well sandboxed while macOS is just one rogue binary away from a disaster.

That said, Apple has tried to build that UX for 10+ years and is not even close to a device that would be as compelling professional tool as a Mac. Without full multitasking, power of UNIX (available to users), and allowing the users to run any software they want with their iPad, iPadOS will never be able to compete with Mac (or Windows or Linux) for technical users.

Maybe Apple is ok for us not buying iPads any more? Maybe the audience is actually non-technical users (hi mom)? Maybe Apple would be better saying that honestly aloud?

• iPad is easy
• Mac is powerful

iPad - Computer for the rest of us
Mac - high-end tool for professional users

 

[Abazigal]

I like this article for how it enunciates why I will continue to use an iPad for the near foreseeable future.

The iPad Is Like Roadwork

Zac Hall, writing for 9to5Mac, has a great analogy about the iPad platform that I wish I thought of before: Here’s the thing about the iPad line: it’s always being worked on, and that work is never complete. You know, like roadwork. As a kid, I recall thinking Atlanta was only under construction...

www.macstories.net

I think this is a perfect encapsulation of the state of the iPad. For better or worse, it’s always being worked on. Not like how the Mac and iPhone are always “being worked on” (of course they are), but more in the sense that there’s always something that obviouslyneeds to get fixed and we’re waiting for it.

And the funny thing is, I’ve been using the iPad as my primary computer for long enough now, I find its “current” state kind of charming at this point. It’s definitely an acquired taste, but why would you get a reliable computer that does the same reliable things for a good number of reliable years when you can experience the thrill of a platform that still feels like it launched two years ago when it is, in fact, 14 years-old and that perennially feels like it’s waiting for the next shoe to drop? Why join the navy when you can be a pirate? I’m only half-kidding with this. Besides the fact that, for me, no other computer Apple makes is as flexible as an iPad, part of the enjoyment is (again, for me) its quirky nature, constantly on the verge of improvement. (Please don’t send me this page.)

If there’s one thing you can say about the iPad line is that it’s never boring, for better or worse. If anything, we’re still blogging about it – 14 years later.

Thanks to apps, thanks to the iPad sporting iOS rather than macOS, thanks to a plethora of accessories, the iPad never feels stale or old. To me, this is the strength of the iPad, not its weakness.

 

[smulji]

I like this article for how it enunciates why I will continue to use an iPad for the near foreseeable future.

The iPad Is Like Roadwork

Zac Hall, writing for 9to5Mac, has a great analogy about the iPad platform that I wish I thought of before: Here’s the thing about the iPad line: it’s always being worked on, and that work is never complete. You know, like roadwork. As a kid, I recall thinking Atlanta was only under construction...

www.macstories.net

Thanks to apps, thanks to the iPad sporting iOS rather than macOS, thanks to a plethora of accessories, the iPad never feels stale or old. To me, this is the strength of the iPad, not its weakness.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1743810788211789984

 

[Biro]

If an iPad Pro costs as much or more than a MacBook Air or base MacBook Pro, does the existence of said iPad Pro even matter? Sure, there are some people who would prefer the tablet form factor with the ability of MacOS - including me. But I’m willing to bet that we’re a minority of iPad purchasers. Toss in the higher price and that number goes down. And if a $1,500 or $1,800 iPad still offers essentially the same iPadOS experience we’ve been offered over the past few years, what is the potential market for that device? I guess we’re about to find out. Either that or Apple plans to surprise us with a big leap in iPadOS. I’m thinking aloud here. Feel free to chime in.

 

[Star Brood]

If an iPad Pro costs as much or more than a MacBook Air or base MacBook Pro, does the existence of said iPad Pro even matter? Sure, there are some people who would prefer the tablet form factor with the ability of MacOS - including me. But I’m willing to bet that we’re a minority of iPad purchasers. Toss in the higher price and that number goes down. And if a $1,500 or $1,800 iPad still offers essentially the same iPadOS experience we’ve been offered over the past few years, what is the potential market for that device? I guess we’re about to find out. Either that or Apple plans to surprise us with a big leap in iPadOS. I’m thinking aloud here. Feel free to chime in.

A tablet-Mac hybrid, like the kind introduced with Windows 8, would be a welcome addition to the lineup, even if it is a decade late to the trend.

 

[sunny5]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1743810788211789984

1. OLED display itself will increase the price cause it's expensive.
2. LPTO is expensive and harder to mass produce.
3. Two Stack Tandem is a whole new tech and this is the main reason to be way more expensive.
4. 11/13 inch size of OLED with high specs makes it way more expensive as it's harder to manufacture.

Clearly, Apple want to charge more on iPad Pro series which is outrageous.

 

[sunny5]

A tablet-Mac hybrid, like the kind introduced with Windows 8, would be a welcome addition to the lineup, even if it is a decade late to the trend.

iPad series are clearly blocking that possibilities. It would be nice to have a Mac tablet.

 

[smulji]

1. OLED display itself will increase the price cause it's expensive.
2. LPTO is expensive and harder to mass produce.
3. Two Stack Tandem is a whole new tech and this is the main reason to be way more expensive.
4. 11/13 inch size of OLED with high specs makes it way more expensive as it's harder to manufacture.

Clearly, Apple want to charge more on iPad Pro series which is outrageous.

Other than the fact that the new iPad Pro will be priced higher than previous versions, what's your point?

 

[sunny5]

Other than the fact that the new iPad Pro will be priced higher than previous versions, what's your point?

Too expensive. Don't you get the point? That's $600/700 more than previous version.

 

[smulji]

Too expensive. Don't you get the point? That's $600/700 more than previous version.

That level of price increase is pure speculation. I'm betting the increase is half that ($350)

 

[sunny5]

That level of price increase is pure speculation. I'm betting the increase is half that ($350)

I guess you know nothing about OLED, especially two stack tandem. OLED itself will cost more than current one and yet, there will be more than that:

1. OLED itself is more expensive than LCD/LED based. Simple fact.

2. LPTO costs more than regular OLED and even Apple doesn't use it for all devices.

3. Two stack tandem OLED is a new technology for tablet that Apple asked Samsung and LG to develop and it's really expensive. So far, only LG can make them as they are using it for car displays. The problem is it's not a single stack but double stack and manufacturing such OLED is gonna be much more expensive. I already checked Korean articles about it and they clearly said, the price range will be way higher than the current one. LG said, it costs 3 times more than regular OLED based on the smart phone size. Imagine if it's 13 inch bigger.

4. The size is the main reason why it's gonna be more expensive. Unlike smartphones and TV, sizes between 13~32 inch OLED display is extremely rare and hard to manufacture. The pixel density is the main issue which is still difficult to solve and at least smartphones have small display but not 13~32 inch displays. You might say, there are some OLED monitors and tablets. But what about the high brightness just like mini-LED? Then there won't be any of them or just less than 5 products. The peak brightness is the main issue with OLED so far. You see, tablet and monitor markets for OLED is such niche and not profitable. You might say how about OLED TV? Well, they lack high brightness, pixel density is quite large, and at least profitable.

OLED itself, LPTO, Two stack tandem, and bigger size = way more expensive that $300 won't be enough.

 

[smulji]

If you look at the latest premium Android tablets & premium Windows laptops,

I guess you know nothing about OLED, especially two stack tandem. OLED itself will cost more than current one and yet, there will be more than that:

1. OLED itself is more expensive than LCD/LED based. Simple fact.

2. LPTO costs more than regular OLED and even Apple doesn't use it for all devices.

3. Two stack tandem OLED is a new technology for tablet that Apple asked Samsung and LG to develop and it's really expensive. So far, only LG can make them as they are using it for car displays. The problem is it's not a single stack but double stack and manufacturing such OLED is gonna be much more expensive. I already checked Korean articles about it and they clearly said, the price range will be way higher than the current one. LG said, it costs 3 times more than regular OLED based on the smart phone size. Imagine if it's 13 inch bigger.

4. The size is the main reason why it's gonna be more expensive. Unlike smartphones and TV, sizes between 13~32 inch OLED display is extremely rare and hard to manufacture. The pixel density is the main issue which is still difficult to solve and at least smartphones have small display but not 13~32 inch displays. You might say, there are some OLED monitors and tablets. But what about the high brightness just like mini-LED? Then there won't be any of them or just less than 5 products. The peak brightness is the main issue with OLED so far. You see, tablet and monitor markets for OLED is such niche and not profitable. You might say how about OLED TV? Well, they lack high brightness, pixel density is quite large, and at least profitable.

OLED itself, LPTO, Two stack tandem, and bigger size = way more expensive that $300 won't be enough.

Apple's supply division is the best in the business. They're masters at getting the best component prices for their products, so we'll see.

 

[sunny5]

If you look at the latest premium Android tablets & premium Windows laptops,

Apple's supply division is the best in the business. They're masters at getting the best component prices for their products, so we'll see.

Literally, none of them have what OLED iPad Pro will have. Not even close in terms of specs and performance and they are from from it and your argument already failed as they lack at least two stack tandem OLED which is still not available to all tablets and monitors. If I include LTPO, high peak brightness, professional grade OLED, and more, I can say there is NONE. Since OLED is rarely used on tablets, laptops, and monitors, I highly doubt that you can find professional OLED displays.

Yes, there are OLED laptops and tablets but they heavily suffer from peak brightness, mediocre resolution or pixel pitch, burn-in, and more. Even reference OLED monitors suffer peak brightness which is limited up to 100 nit. OLED is still a niche technology for tablet, laptop, and monitor market.

Apple is well known for having bad business model such as Mac Pro, XDR monitor, RAM, and more. Do you really think that Apple is always the best? They made a lot of stupid decisions which I can not count.





So tell me which tablets or laptops or monitors have LTPO, high peak brightness, two stack tandem OLED, and more?

 

[smulji]

Literally, none of them have what OLED iPad Pro will have. Not even close in terms of specs and performance and they are from from it and your argument already failed as they lack at least two stack tandem OLED which is still not available to all tablets and monitors. If I include LTPO, high peak brightness, professional grade OLED, and more, I can say there is NONE. Since OLED is rarely used on tablets, laptops, and monitors, I highly doubt that you can find professional OLED displays.

Yes, there are OLED laptops and tablets but they heavily suffer from peak brightness, mediocre resolution or pixel pitch, burn-in, and more. Even reference OLED monitors suffer peak brightness which is limited up to 100 nit. OLED is still a niche technology for tablet, laptop, and monitor market.

Apple is well known for having bad business model such as Mac Pro, XDR monitor, RAM, and more. Do you really think that Apple is always the best? They made a lot of stupid decisions which I can not count.





So tell me which tablets or laptops or monitors have LTPO, high peak brightness, two stack tandem OLED, and more?

"Apple is well known for having bad business model such as Mac Pro, XDR monitor, RAM, and more. Do you really think that Apple is always the best? They made a lot of stupid decisions which I can not count."

I made no mention of business models and that's irrelevant here. What I specifically said, is that Apple's supply chain team is world class at getting the best component prices for their products. Try sticking to the subject.

 

[sunny5]

"Apple is well known for having bad business model such as Mac Pro, XDR monitor, RAM, and more. Do you really think that Apple is always the best? They made a lot of stupid decisions which I can not count."

I made no mention of business models and that's irrelevant here. What I specifically said, is that Apple's supply chain team is world class at getting the best component prices for their products. Try sticking to the subject.

And yet, you are not able to defend your statement.

Now where is your answer for OLED?

 

[smulji]

So tell me which tablets or laptops or monitors have LTPO, high peak brightness, two stack tandem OLED, and more?

I'm not aware of any

 

[sunny5]

I'm not aware of any

You just admitted yourself as you dont have any proofs.

You see, it's gonna be expensive. This is how OLED markets for tablets and monitors between 13~32 inches are so niche.

 

[jole]

My next iPad is Vision Pro