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BaldiMac said:
I didn't call it a "rule" or make the claim you invented by deliberately mischaracterizing what I said. Again, you're making a disingenuous argument based on strawman fallacies. I stand by the words that I used.
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Allow me to quote you:
“Killing 10x the number of people as your enemies isn't defending yourself.”

Well? In 1941, Japan killed 2,400 US soldiers. The US killed several million Japanese as a result of that attack.

War is not a soccer match. There is no referee or scorekeeper. Israel was extremely clear from the start that there were two conditions to the war in Gaza: Release the hostages, and Hamas leave Gaza. Very justifiable conditions. Israel did not seek one inch of Gaza land. Hamas finally agreed to disarm but they have not kept that agreement.

As for the poor suffering Palestinians, they could have overthrown their government, and they probably would have, except that Hamas was armed to the teeth by weapons smuggled in by Iran. This is why every aid shipment had to be inspected, which took time.
 
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Alameda said:
Well? In 1941, Japan killed 2,400 US soldiers. The US killed several million Japanese as a result of that attack.

War is not a soccer match. There is no referee or scorekeeper.
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But there kinda is, the four primary Geneva Conventions. These examples prior to 1949 is the reason for that.

Any case, allow independent international journalists to enter the Gaza Strip. Foreign correspondents are only allowed in on tightly controlled, Israeli military-escorted trips. This would bring to light a more dependable assessment one way or the other, especially if there is nothing to hide. But they haven’t and they wont, which raises major flags for me and should for all.
 
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I7guy said:
We agree then. To be clear Israel has a right to defend themselves.
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Nope. Because we were discussing what qualifies as defending yourself. Not whether you have a right to defend yourself.

Alameda said:
Allow me to quote you:
“Killing 10x the number of people as your enemies isn't defending yourself.”

Well? In 1941, Japan killed 2,400 US soldiers. The US killed several million Japanese as a result of that attack.
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And under no circumstances would I say that the US was defending itself by killing 2 million people. Those were primarily offensive actions. Bombing Hiroshima and Nagasaki were horrific war crimes.

Thanks for quoting me directly!
 
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BaldiMac said:
Nope. Because we were discussing what qualifies as defending yourself. Not whether you have a right to defend yourself.[…]
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Yep. Because this started with the mention of Israel. For my part, I’m bringing it back to the start. Israel has right to defend herself.
BaldiMac said:
And under no circumstances would I say that the US was defending itself by killing 2 million people. Those were primarily offensive actions. Bombing Hiroshima and Nagasaki were horrific war crimes.
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Like Israel onetime a war, the US didn’t start the war with Japan. While it’s unfortunate the US had to deploy nuclear weaponry against Japan, the US didn’t start it and if you believe they are war crimes, you are certainly entitled to your opinion. /offtopic
 
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BaldiMac said:
Nope. Because we were discussing what qualifies as defending yourself. Not whether you have a right to defend yourself.


And under no circumstances would I say that the US was defending itself by killing 2 million people. Those were primarily offensive actions. Bombing Hiroshima and Nagasaki were horrific war crimes.

Thanks for quoting me directly!
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Same thing with the bombings of Germany?

You believe that liberating Korea, China, and Southeast Asia from the slavery of imperial Japan was a war crime. That’s… wow.
 
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give them a break, I worked with people who felt anyone who was not proficient with multi-variable calculus was a subhuman, personally I thought single variable calculus was the cut off .
 
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I7guy said:
Yep. Because this started with the mention of Israel. For my part, I’m bringing it back to the start. Israel has right to defend herself.
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You're just repeating yourself while ignoring my point. That's not agreement.

Alameda said:
Same thing with the bombings of Germany?
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Yes. I believe that US bombings of Germany were offensive operations. Why is that controversial?

Alameda said:
You believe that liberating Korea, China, and Southeast Asia from the slavery of imperial Japan was a war crime. That’s… wow.
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No, I don't. Again, you're just making stuff up that I never said, nor believe.
 
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BaldiMac said:
You're just repeating yourself while ignoring my point. That's not agreement.


Yes. I believe that US bombings of Germany were offensive operations. Why is that controversial?


No, I don't. Again, you're just making stuff up that I never said, nor believe.
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A bit disingenuous. You ignored my point while promulgating yours, which is not an uncommon occurrence in internet debate.
 
BaldiMac said:
You're just repeating yourself while ignoring my point. That's not agreement.


Yes. I believe that US bombings of Germany were offensive operations. Why is that controversial?


No, I don't. Again, you're just making stuff up that I never said, nor believe.
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Well…. WHICH IS IT?
Defeating Japan and Germany was either war crime or not.

My guess? You possess a moral code which says that civilians shall never be killed in war at the expense of your own combatants. In 1945, the U.S. was planning an invasion of Japan which was estimated to result in 100,000 US casualties. Which means deaths.

Here’s the thing: Those 100,000 weren’t really military. They were mostly draftees who had to serve. They had mothers and sisters and all that. They were civilians in uniforms. Their lives were not less important than the lives of Japanese civilians.

Truman was faced with the choice of killing 100,000 Japanese with nuclear bombs… or invading and losing 100,000 Americans and probably 250,000 Japanese.

Israel faced the same dilemma in Gaza: Sending ground forces in house-by house would have created extremely high Israeli casualties. They probably did not have even have enough bodies to do it.

So, kindly explain your morally superior position. I don’t really understand your perspective on warfare.
 
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Alameda said:
Well…. WHICH IS IT?
Defeating Japan and Germany was either war crime or not.
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That’s obviously a false dichotomy. Again, I stand by the statements I actually made, not your whatabout scenarios that you’re trying to tie me to. I reject the idea that the ends justify the means.
 
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I7guy said:
Not enough money is going to Israel.
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Notice how the same people wanting American taxpayers’ money going to Israel and Silicon Valley corporations, oppose American taxpayers’ money going to universal healthcare for Americans and universal education tuition for Americans. They oppose those two things because they are “socialism,” but they support socialism for Israel and Silicon Valley corporations.

I7guy said:
There is way too much anti-Semitic verbiage in these threads.
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Being pro-Palestine is pro-Semitic. Palestinians have far more Semitic DNA than the Eastern European settler colonialists who violently stole their land and now call themselves “Israelis.”

I7guy said:
Israel has a right to defend herself.
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Palestine has a right to defend itself from fascist Eastern European settler colonialists who ethnically cleansed the indigenous Palestinians from their land, especially during the Nakba of 1948, when an estimated 750,000 to 800,000 Palestinians were expelled or fled their homes, becoming refugees.

I7guy said:
It’s a great thing cook can meet with world leaders.
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If Tim Cook is going to meet fascist white supremacist war criminals like Trump and fascist Jewish supremacist war criminals like Netanyahu because Cook values profits more than human rights and international law, then Cook should be honest about it instead of repeatedly virtue signaling online by trying to portray that he has a moral high ground and supports social justice.
 
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ThomasJL said:
Notice how the same people wanting American taxpayers’ money going to Israel and Silicon Valley corporations, oppose American taxpayers’ money going to universal healthcare for Americans and universal education tuition for Americans. They oppose those two things because they are “socialism,” but they support socialism for Israel and Silicon Valley corporations.


Being pro-Palestine is pro-Semitic. Palestinians have far more Semitic DNA than the Eastern European settler colonialists who violently stole their land and now call themselves “Israelis.”


Palestine has a right to defend itself from fascist Eastern European settler colonialists who ethnically cleansed the indigenous Palestinians from their land, especially during the Nakba of 1948, when an estimated 750,000 to 800,000 Palestinians were expelled or fled their homes, becoming refugees.


If Tim Cook is going to meet fascist white supremacist war criminals like Trump and fascist Jewish supremacist war criminals like Netanyahu because Cook values profits more than human rights and international law, then Cook should be honest about it instead of repeatedly virtue signaling online by trying to portray that he has a moral high ground and supports social justice.
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Palestinians are Arabs from surrounding States, there is no such thing as Palestinian DNA
It was never anyone's land since it had been occupied by multiple nations and nation-states, the most recent being The Ottoman and then the British. The UN voted to create 2 States, one called Israel, the other Palestine, which is a name the Romans used for the area that is now Israel. The word Palestine has nothing to do with Arabs.

The Nakba is nonsense, they left because the Arabs told them to leave and that they could re-enter after they killed the Jews. Didn't work out that way. Those that stayed make up 20% of the Israeli population and enjoy more freedom and a higher standard of living than any other Country in the MidEast.
Those refugees are still refugees living in tent camps and used as pawns for decades. Eastern European Jews (unless converts) all contain DNA from The Levant.

Being on the side of Israel is being on the right side of history. Ever wonder why no Arab Countries will take in Palestinians? They know exactly what they bring.
 

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chmania said:
So, you agree of the murder of Iranian children by the US?
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Yes. I agree that Iran committed war crimes and caused a war in the area and used children as flak jackets. Unfortunately when a country starts a war there will be causalities, including civilian. Horrible, horrible regime. Other than that the reductionist view of events in the area if it weren’t so terrible is laughable.
 
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I7guy said:
Yes. I agree that Iran committed war crimes and caused a war in the area and used children as flak jackets. Unfortunately when a country starts a war there will be causalities, including civilian.
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US shooting from far away like a coward is highly commendable? And, killing children?
 
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