Sure, like killing innocent children, and at the end losing the war, and suing for a ceasefire. The china trip didn't help either. 😉
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Madhatter32
macrumors 68000
There's no difference in substance. Hating people from Israel (based on their national origin) is not okay regardless of their religion.
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I7guy
macrumors Westmere
And terrorists using children as body shields and committing war crimes. But sure the reductionist view leaves out little details that change the story.😉
Suing for a ceasefire and begging in China didn't help much.
Iran is directly responsible for hundreds of deaths, not even including the Marine barracks they bombed in Lebanon
The ceasefire is to replenish our missile supply and hopefully to arm the opposition.
No one really knows what Trump is up to, hopefully it doesn't end here.
Can't argue the point, something is off but I think it has more to do with having advisors on both sides of the issue and being pulled one way or the other.
Witkoff is a Qatar operative, Tom Barrack is Erdogan's sock puppet plus Qatar gave the Trump family sweetheart real estate deals.
n the other side is Hegseth and Rubio.
I wish Trump would only listen to Rubio and get rid of Barrack and Witkoff.
SalisburySam
macrumors 65816
If you would have a bit of respect for leaders of other countries than the US ones, you'd understand the point. They are from the old world, so have accumulated wisdom, without the arrogance. That's why the Iranian war was lost, so many air assets gone, the Straits of Hormuz still closed, the 5th Fleet is stuck in the Indian Ocean, the Red Sea is closed for western vessels and finally the trip to China is practically lost -- one person talks a lot, while the other person only listens -- one mouth, two ears.
Alameda
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You are completely incorrect.
Joe Biden massively increased US military aid to Israel.
I would much prefer we had someone like George HW Bush leading the war, but we have what we have.
As for accumulated wisdom, we are watching Western Europe being defeated without a shot being fired. The latest wise man, Sanchez in Spain, is promoting the takeover of Spain by the same folks they defeated in the reconquista.
That isn't wisdom, it's incompetence and traitorous.
Labour in The UK is doing the same thing, France has almost already fallen, Sweden used to be the safest Country in Europe now it is dangerous as well.
Whatever Trump may be, I'll still take him over The Democrats any day of the week.
Don't worry too much about Europe, just take your military out of it, Europe will prosper. Europe was there for centuries, not just 250 or so years.
Alameda
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Besides WW II and
WW I and
The Napoleonic Wars and
The 100 Years War and
The Crusades and
The Bubonic Plague and
A zillion other wars
Europe has been there for centuries and also lost a lot of lives and are in the process of defeating themselves with their foolish Globalist invasion of people who hate them.
I would love to take our military out of Europe, who should be paying their way and doing it themselves
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Alameda
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US forces are in Europe for one reason only: Oil.
ClaraStahlbaum
macrumors 6502a
Israel is not the sole representative of all Jews. Not all Jews support Israel. Many don't.
Israel is not above criticism, neither are the actions of their government.
Madhatter32
macrumors 68000
Hi there Clara. So glad we have crossed paths again. Most Jews support Israel's right to exist. Most Christians too. Hamas does not. I was responding to a post about saying it is okay to be "anti-Israeli" but, yes, being anti-Jew is bad too of course. Denigrating people based on their national original is prejudice. If you do not agree -- fine. But, that is why the Civil Rights Act prohibits discrimination on the basis of race, color, and national origin.
I7guy
macrumors Westmere
Anti-Zionist Jews do not speak for the vast majority of the American Jewish community.
That is, if you can stand by the words you use. The Arabs in the Middle East deserve respect, as does their religion, whatever it may be — they have been there for centuries. Iranians and Iraqis likewise deserve respect, whatever their faiths. The Chinese should be respected too, regardless of their political system, religion or lack of one. That goes for Cuba too!
America was originally settled by people who fled Europe in search of food and occupied land, displacing those already living there. Their descendants seem to have forgotten the world their elders came from and why. Most later arrivals to America sought better lives and opportunities rather than food or to displace indigenous peoples.
We all use devices made in China but often fail to respect the country and its people because of the CCP. China is the most advanced country today. The ironic thing is that it is the US president who must visit with an entourage of businesspeople to seek advantages — not from a position of power, but rather with a begging bowl.
It was the US president who went to meet the Chinese president, not the other way round. The Chinese president will return the visit in September, and that will be merely a courtesy call.
Funny Apple Man
macrumors 6502a
May I ask why? Genuine question.
The guy has royally screwed up with breaking campaign promises, failed to fix and also worsened the affordability crisis, etc. It's got to the point where a good chunk of his base ditched him. Does he still have any redeeming qualities? His love for America, sure. But almost everything he has done since this second term is making the country worse. Which is why I'm genuinely puzzled why some are still supporting him.
I7guy
macrumors Westmere
