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Apple clearly has a long-term plan for it. They aren't getting rid of it that easily.

No.

They're just trying to save face on a design that's been a massive failure.

Saving face is a concept you should be well familiar with if you're living in Singapore.

Meanwhile, my early 2013 MB Pro 15" soldiers on. Not replacing it for 4K in USD, that's just silly.
 
I didn’t read all 36 pages of comments so I’m sure this has been posted already but since the non-touchbar MacBook Pro and the 12 inch MacBook didn’t get an upgrade could that mean they may merge the two? It sure would clean up the product line to get rid of the Air and the non-tb MacBook Pros. Put an i5 and another USB-C port on the 12 inch MacBook and I would buy it on day one. I remember my 12 inch PowerBook G4, I used that thing to death. And as far as price is concerned, I paid over $1700 for that PowerBook...

Cluttering the lineup is the new cleaning up the lineup. The nTB Pro will be phased out in the next iteration, I think, and in addition to a 12" MacBook you'll have a 13.3 or 14" Macbook that will effectively be an MBA replacement (only at an extra 30% of the cost -- I definitely don't believe the rumors of a lower priced MBA replacement).

I'd love to get the new QC 13", but I really hate the TB and the price is pretty crazy for even a modest configuration (16/256). I think I'll just wait and hope that they over-deliver with the Mini and either buy a MacBook or take a chance on a refurbed nTB as my mobile machine.
 
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Cluttering the lineup is the new cleaning up the lineup. The nTB Pro will be phased out in the next iteration, I think, and in addition to a 12" MacBook you'll have a 13.3 or 14" Macbook that will effectively be an MBA replacement (only at an extra 30% of the cost -- I definitely don't believe the rumors of a lower priced MBA replacement).

I'd love to get the new QC 13", but I really hate the TB and the price is pretty crazy for even a modest configuration (16/256). I think I'll just wait and hope that they over-deliver with the Mini and either buy a MacBook or take a chance on a refurbed nTB as my mobile machine.

Even though I hope that you’re wrong about the MBA pricing, I suspect that you’re probably right and we’ll see a 128GB SSD retina computer with 8 GB of RAM and a mid range core processor for $999.

(Which incidentally will be absolutely fine for most people if you have light productivity requirements, store photos on the cloud and use AM or Spotify etc.)

Even then, I suspect that I may be a little too optimistic on the pricing and it’ll start at $100 more.

Especially if Apple unveils an iPad Pro this year with a keyboard like the surface ie with a trackpad.

Then the Mac pricing will be so that it’s expensive enough to push you down to the iPad ie:

‘You can get a great MacBook if you like for $999-199, however for $799-899 you can get an iPad Pro with a trackpad that does the same thing but you’ve got an iPad and what is effectively a Mac with your favorite apps...’
 
USB-C is the future? Tell that to the people who bought MacBooks in 2015 with only a single USB-C port. They now have 3 year old machines with this port that is still "the future" and all they have to show for it is a pile of dongles to use this port that will be the one true port of the future. In a couple years when they retire their machines they can be proud of their forward-thinking port even though they never connected anything to it without an adapter. (1)


And to prove what a steaming turd even Apple knows USB-C really is, you can't even plug the latest iPhones into a USB-C only Mac without an adapter. (2)

1. Correct. Absolutely correct. For my use case though, all I needed to do was buy USB-C cables for external hard drives and buy 1 USB-C flash drive just in case someone wanted something from me.

2. Wrong. Apple offers a USB-C to Lightning cable.

No dongles required unless for projectors and some other specialised use cases.
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No.

They're just trying to save face on a design that's been a massive failure.

Saving face is a concept you should be well familiar with if you're living in Singapore.

Meanwhile, my early 2013 MB Pro 15" soldiers on. Not replacing it for 4K in USD, that's just silly.

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1. Correct. Absolutely correct. For my use case though, all I needed to do was buy USB-C cables for external hard drives and buy 1 USB-C flash drive just in case someone wanted something from me.

2. Wrong. Apple offers a USB-C to Lightning cable.

No dongles required unless for projectors and some other specialised use cases.

1. So because you personally only needed 1 special cable and one special USB-C flash drive (at a huge premium), you feel everyone who regularly uses a lot of accessories only needs the same as you? The egocentrism is off the scale with you.

2. How do you possibly warp reality to pretend that is not an adapter. It's a sold separately connector to go from the port on the latest APPLE iPhone to the only port on the latest APPLE computer. IT most certainly is an adapter you have to pay extra for. First class Apple service there.

And I never mentioned the word dongle, not sure why you're brining it up. But it has nothing to do with projectors and I don't think you quite know the definition of the word. But as a hint for you, it's about DRM,not about connecting hardware. Although if you do have software that requires a dongle, you're going to need another adapter for that too.
 
USB-C is the future? Tell that to the people who bought MacBooks in 2015 with only a single USB-C port. They now have 3 year old machines with this port that is still "the future" and all they have to show for it is a pile of dongles to use this port that will be the one true port of the future. In a couple years when they retire their machines they can be proud of their forward-thinking port even though they never connected anything to it without an adapter.

Other devices give you multiple ports including USB-C. And people who have the choice, are, so far, ignoring it (the evidence is the complete Mojave Desert full of native USB-C hardware on the market).

When new ports hit the market that actually are the future, they come out on computers along side legacy ports to ease the transition and people switch to the new port over a few years because it is just flat-out better.

USB-C has been the only port Apple gives you for 3 years, and the user-base still does not exist for it.

And to prove what a steaming turd even Apple knows USB-C really is, you can't even plug the latest iPhones into a USB-C only mac without an adapter.

Plenty of "better" connections have failed over the years. microchannel was far better than ISA, and yet it flopped miserably while ISA lived a couple of years longer before something came to replace it. SCSI never hit mainstream beyond high-end servers despite being better than anything else on the market. OS/2 was absolutely better than Windows, we know how that one turned out. The list is endless.

And USB-C has gained zero traction in 3 years. 3 years ago, it was very common on PC motherboards, now it's become much more rare and is fading away. USB-C has had it's run, it is a flop, and much like MCA and SCSI, it will sort of float around a minor fringe for a couple more years until the equivalent of EISA and SATA come along to be the real "future" and you won't need a company trying to force it. It will happen fast and naturally before you even realize it's here. That describes the entire history of computing.

And where Apple as screwed up big-time is making this piece of road-kill at the side of the information highway the only port on their macs.
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Oh, please, that game has been going on on this forum for ages. I find a machine that performance-wise will beat the MBP at under $500 plus have socketed ram, 2.5" drive bay, etc. And you will complain it's not as thin, not the same build quality (which is BS), shorter battery life, etc. While I say it's better because it has a proper keyboard.

I'm not playing that game, just look at your best buy flyer and you'll see plenty of laptops at the price point that would do the job if you would have an open mind and not play semantic games.

I didn’t really say that I fully agreed with Apple when they removed all the other ports I just said that USB C is the future. Remember, Apple has done this in the past with the iMac. Not only did they remove all the serial ports, ADB and SCSI ports they took away the floppy drive as well and USB drives were VERY expensive in 1998 so removable media was not really an option until USB peripherals got cheaper. People adapted and moved on. Also, people knew when they bought the MacBook in 2015 that it only had USB-C, nobody forced them to buy it. As far as $500 laptops go, yes you can find PC laptops that run great and have specs similar to the Mac but I have a $400 HP with an i5 and it’s fast but the keyboard is terrible, the trackpad is terrible and the screen is fairly low res compared to my MacBook Pro.
 
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I am definitely not justifying the prices. Talking about prices, I think the notebooks have been priced steeply right from 2016, I got a 13" mid model for $300 more than what I paid for 15" top model 5 years ago. :p

These notebooks are definitely not cheap. But, if you purchase them, what they offer can be some consolation.

Yes possibly. The overall specs look good on these models. I’d love a 15” again. But those are over $3,000 now. That’s a lot of money for me. Yes it could last me 5 years or even more but it’s still lots of money to spend in one shot.
 
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1. So because you personally only needed 1 special cable and one special USB-C flash drive (at a huge premium), you feel everyone who regularly uses a lot of accessories only needs the same as you? The egocentrism is off the scale with you.

2. How do you possibly warp reality to pretend that is not an adapter. It's a sold separately connector to go from the port on the latest APPLE iPhone to the only port on the latest APPLE computer. IT most certainly is an adapter you have to pay extra for. First class Apple service there.

And I never mentioned the word dongle, not sure why you're brining it up. But it has nothing to do with projectors and I don't think you quite know the definition of the word. But as a hint for you, it's about DRM,not about connecting hardware. Although if you do have software that requires a dongle, you're going to need another adapter for that too.

I specifically mentioned MY USE CASE. Nothing about egocentrism. I did not say anything to put you off in this way, and will not do now. I did not say anything about feeling everyone who regularly uses a lot of accessories only needs the same as me. You, sir, mistook my post and drift. Sorry.
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Yes possibly. The overall specs look good on these models. I’d love a 15” again. But those are over $3,000 now. That’s a lot of money for me. Yes it could last me 5 years or even more but it’s still lots of money to spend in one shot.

That is a lot of money. And the pricing in my country would be insane, too. Part of why I only got the 13" in 2016, as the 15" were priced out of my pocket at $3100 roughly for base 15" configuration.
 
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I didn’t really say that I fully agreed with Apple when they removed all the other ports I just said that USB C is the future. Remember, Apple has done this in the past with the iMac. Not only did they remove all the serial ports, ADB and SCSI ports they took away the floppy drive as well and USB drives were VERY expensive in 1998 so removable media was not really an option until USB peripherals got cheaper.

I've said in the past I don't feel Apple was right at the time to remove the floppy/optical drives when they did, and the fact that today nobody would want a floppy doesn't mean they were right at the time. Any you give the exact reasons, removable USB media wasn't common and cheap yet. So they caused a lot of difficulty for no reason.

You can make the case those that those devices were large and added a lot to the cost, so there at least was a legitimate reason to want them gone.

People adapted and moved on. Also, people knew when they bought the MacBook in 2015 that it only had USB-C, nobody forced them to buy it.

Certainly people moved on. And nobody is forcing people to buy these gimped macbooks, but Apple is forcing me to leave the mac ecosystem after 20 years of it being my primary platform. I'm going to vent my frustration.

As far as $500 laptops go, yes you can find PC laptops that run great and have specs similar to the Mac but I have a $400 HP with an i5 and it’s fast but the keyboard is terrible, the trackpad is terrible and the screen is fairly low res compared to my MacBook Pro.

I obviously don't know your laptop specifically, but I have had horrible experiences with HP and I won't touch anything from the company again, so I have to agree with you about it. But the current MBP keyboard is terrible, and there are plenty of cheap windows laptops that beat it because Apple has set the bar so low. As far as screen, you're not going to get a 4k panel at that price point, but you can get a pretty impressive 1080p panel at that low end. On the other hand, once you get the price of the cheapest non-touchbar MBP, 4k panels are common and that beats anything in any mac laptop.

As far as the trackpad, I agree with you 100% there. I love the Apple trackpad, every windows trackpad I've ever used has been total garbage by comparison, and windows doesn't even support the bluetooth Apple trackpad properly. It's one of the big things I don't want to give up about the mac. Apple's trackpad gesture system is amazing.
 
I've said in the past I don't feel Apple was right at the time to remove the floppy/optical drives when they did, and the fact that today nobody would want a floppy doesn't mean they were right at the time. Any you give the exact reasons, removable USB media wasn't common and cheap yet. So they caused a lot of difficulty for no reason.

You can make the case those that those devices were large and added a lot to the cost, so there at least was a legitimate reason to want them gone.



Certainly people moved on. And nobody is forcing people to buy these gimped macbooks, but Apple is forcing me to leave the mac ecosystem after 20 years of it being my primary platform. I'm going to vent my frustration.



I obviously don't know your laptop specifically, but I have had horrible experiences with HP and I won't touch anything from the company again, so I have to agree with you about it. But the current MBP keyboard is terrible, and there are plenty of cheap windows laptops that beat it because Apple has set the bar so low. As far as screen, you're not going to get a 4k panel at that price point, but you can get a pretty impressive 1080p panel at that low end. On the other hand, once you get the price of the cheapest non-touchbar MBP, 4k panels are common and that beats anything in any mac laptop.

As far as the trackpad, I agree with you 100% there. I love the Apple trackpad, every windows trackpad I've ever used has been total garbage by comparison, and windows doesn't even support the bluetooth Apple trackpad properly. It's one of the big things I don't want to give up about the mac. Apple's trackpad gesture system is amazing.


I agree with most of your points, and understand your frustration. I will admit, it’s becoming harder and harder to stay with the Apple ecosystem.
 
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You only pay 1,700 dollars for a USD1,300 MacBook in Canada? That’s nothing, in Hong Kong they cost over 10,000 dollars. :D

ha ha. You know I had to work out the exchange at currently at 5.96 per CAD Buying in HK is $60 cheaper but I don't know what the sales tax situation is. I just know it's high here in Can. I think the lowest province is 11% yuk.
 
You only pay 1,700 dollars for a USD1,300 MacBook in Canada? That’s nothing, in Hong Kong they cost over 10,000 dollars. :D

Your point is well made about different "dollars", but when I bought my $1200 2011 Macbook pro, it cost me $1250CDN here in Canada. And rather than being stuck with the 4 gig of ram and 320 gig of spinning HDD, within a week I bumped it to 16 gig (for $80) and 128 gig of SSD (for $150). It currently has the same ram and a 1TB SDD. My $1300 2017 MBP I paid $1700CDN for will forever have 8 gig of ram, and 128 gig of SSD (which I'm already painfully aware was a huge mistake). I still use the 2011 as my primary machine just because of the amount of SSD. I've already bought a 512 gig SSD with a USB-C->SATA adapter but it's just a nuisance to carry and the 2011 wins.
 
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Oddly enough, they are greyed out on the Singapore Apple Store website, and the 2017 MBPs are still being offered.

Probably not the exact update the Mac users probably want, but it will have to suffice for now.

this morning I called Apple, i was told that the devices had not been cleared for sale yet. I had just check, it is now available for purchase.
 
Apple will not replace the keyboard. It will cost me $800 to repair, and who says it will not break down again in 6 months?

The only alternative is to get a PC, perhaps a Hackintosh, or use a 2015 model.

Sorry to hear, some here been through that same scenario hence we are not recommending 2016+ models, although they are free to choose, 2015 is the most used model here, but most are aware that we will get screwed sooner than later with Apple. Ironically, most 2016+ models have either been returned or sold for Windows laptops, most of them have been configured to dual boot with Linux. We are also testing a batch of LG grams & Huawei matebooks which have been pretty reliable so far (although matebook specs are very far from pro use & the lack of uprgradeability might just turn us away).

Last year we did the same with Razer blades and Dells XPS, 100% of the Razers had to be serviced and about 90% of the Dells the same, it was tragicomic. Customer support experience was less than ideal on both sides but Razer is something out of this world entirely, it's so bad you end up running away.

On the flip side, many Mac users were positively impacted with Windows 10/Microsoft (visual studio multiplatform, typescript, acquisition of github, Linux Subsystem, new surface packing beefier GPUs, all positive moves) and made the switch to more powerful & cheaper machines than the macbooks while also investing on external hardware which has greatly boosted our production comfort. So next year we might just end up transitioning to Windows/Linux machines entirely.

Another brand we are getting good reliability with Windows/Linux machines from is the HP spectre line, lenovo thinkpads & some of the Asus ROG machines (gaming laptops), although aesthetically unpleasant, bulky, huge bezels, loud fans and some hiccups with GPU drivers but other than that pretty reliable with some level of upgradeability.

Hope you meet an ideal solution soon.
 
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Sorry to hear, some here been through that same scenario hence we are not recommending 2016+ models, although they are free to choose, 2015 is the most used model here, but most are aware that we will get screwed sooner than later with Apple. Ironically, most 2016+ models have either been returned or sold for Windows laptops, most of them have been configured to dual boot with Linux. We are also testing a batch of LG grams & Huawei matebooks which have been pretty reliable so far (although matebook specs are very far from pro use & the lack of uprgradeability might just turn us away).

Last year we did the same with Razer blades and Dells XPS, 100% of the Razers had to be serviced and about 90% of the Dells the same, it was tragicomic. Customer support experience was less than ideal on both sides but Razer is something out of this world entirely, it's so bad you end up running away.

On the flip side, many Mac users were positively impacted with Windows 10/Microsoft (visual studio multiplatform, typescript, acquisition of github, catering pro users, new surface packing beefier GPUs, all positive moves) and made the switch to more powerful & cheaper machines than the macbooks while also investing on external hardware which has greatly boosted our production comfort. So next year we might just end up transitioning to Windows/Linux machines entirely.

Another brand we are getting good reliability with Windows/Linux machines from is the HP spectre line & some of the Asus ROG machines (gaming laptops), although aesthetically unpleasant, bulky, huge bezels, loud fans and some hiccups with GPU drivers but other than that pretty reliable with some level of upgradeability.

Hope you meet an ideal solution soon.

Spoken like a proper level-minded businessperson who weighs options. Well said!
 
Cool computer but damn that thing gets pricey very fast as you configure it. I don't have a use case for owning one at this time but if that changes then i'll consider.
 
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No it's definitely a good idea from a business sense. But most readers here don't represent the typical Mac demographic. Your average consumer does not follow tech releases and timeless, they just buy whatever device is there in the store.

There are lots of people who aren’t aware of tech news for sure. I see it whenever I visit an Apple store or Best Buy. A lot of mainstream newspapers and magazines comment on computers though recommending what to buy and what not to buy especially before the fall.

I myself like surprises. Not so much with expensive products like a MBP that aren’t a yearly purchase but definitely with the phones and everything else. The leaks ruin much of the excitement.
 
1. So because you personally only needed 1 special cable and one special USB-C flash drive (at a huge premium), you feel everyone who regularly uses a lot of accessories only needs the same as you? The egocentrism is off the scale with you.
How many USB A ports did the previous MBPs have? That is also the number of adaptors you can get by with. When FW switched from 400 to 800, that was an extra adaptor as well. When DVI got replaced with mDP, that was an extra adaptor as well.

Of course, replacing USB will cause greater pain because most people probably have more USB peripherals than for any other port.

2. How do you possibly warp reality to pretend that is not an adapter. It's a sold separately connector to go from the port on the latest APPLE iPhone to the only port on the latest APPLE computer. IT most certainly is an adapter you have to pay extra for.
To me an adaptor is something extra that gets added to connect two things that would otherwise not fit together. If a straightforward USB-C to Lightning cable is an adaptor to you, then all iPhones, iPods have always needed an adaptor (except for the very first FW400 to FW400 iPods). Given that we have USB-B, USB mini, USB micro, USB 3 micro, plus several custom USB ports on cameras, we've always needed adaptors. The only difference is that those adaptors shipped with the corresponding peripherals.

And that is the crux, you want Apple to ship computers with USB A as well as USB-C ports and ship iOS devices with both Lightning to USB C and Lightning to USB-A cables (because to keep the flexibility to use all USB ports on a computer, the peripheral needs to come with both kinds of cables).

As you make clear by bolding it, what really bothers you is that you have spend money on additional cables. However, this is unavoidable if one doesn't want to ship computers with two generations of the same port and doesn't want to ship multiple cables with your products. You might say those two pre-conditions are exactly the problem, but Apple has applied the same or similar pre-conditions for probably two decades by now.
 
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USB-C is the future? Tell that to the people who bought MacBooks in 2015 with only a single USB-C port. They now have 3 year old machines with this port that is still "the future" and all they have to show for it is a pile of dongles to use this port that will be the one true port of the future. In a couple years when they retire their machines they can be proud of their forward-thinking port even though they never connected anything to it without an adapter.

Other devices give you multiple ports including USB-C. And people who have the choice, are, so far, ignoring it (the evidence is the complete Mojave Desert full of native USB-C hardware on the market).

When new ports hit the market that actually are the future, they come out on computers along side legacy ports to ease the transition and people switch to the new port over a few years because it is just flat-out better.

USB-C has been the only port Apple gives you for 3 years, and the user-base still does not exist for it.

And to prove what a steaming turd even Apple knows USB-C really is, you can't even plug the latest iPhones into a USB-C only mac without an adapter.

Plenty of "better" connections have failed over the years. microchannel was far better than ISA, and yet it flopped miserably while ISA lived a couple of years longer before something came to replace it. SCSI never hit mainstream beyond high-end servers despite being better than anything else on the market. OS/2 was absolutely better than Windows, we know how that one turned out. The list is endless.

And USB-C has gained zero traction in 3 years. 3 years ago, it was very common on PC motherboards, now it's become much more rare and is fading away. USB-C has had it's run, it is a flop, and much like MCA and SCSI, it will sort of float around a minor fringe for a couple more years until the equivalent of EISA and SATA come along to be the real "future" and you won't need a company trying to force it. It will happen fast and naturally before you even realize it's here. That describes the entire history of computing.

And where Apple as screwed up big-time is making this piece of road-kill at the side of the information highway the only port on their macs.
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Oh, please, that game has been going on on this forum for ages. I find a machine that performance-wise will beat the MBP at under $500 plus have socketed ram, 2.5" drive bay, etc. And you will complain it's not as thin, not the same build quality (which is BS), shorter battery life, etc. While I say it's better because it has a proper keyboard.

I'm not playing that game, just look at your best buy flyer and you'll see plenty of laptops at the price point that would do the job if you would have an open mind and not play semantic games.

Your post reads like a novel from an alternate universe.

I have a 2016 MacBook Pro and I have one dongle, the Apple TB3 to TB2 adapter. The rest of my stuff uses USB-C to <port X> cables.

I have a Transcend Card Reader that uses a USB 3.0 Micro-B to to USB-C cable that I can also use to hook up any USB 3.0 hard drive that isn't hobbled by a permanently attached cable.

I have a USB 2.0 Mini-B to USB-C for any device that still uses that ancient connector (Zoom H6 recorder)

I have a USB 2.0 Micro-B to USB-C cable for any device that use that connector (Zoom H1, Kindle, Android Phone, et al.)

I have a USB 2.0 Type B to USB-C to hook up any device that uses that connector (printer, USB audio interface like a Scarlet 2i4)

Other devices, in this instance, lets say an average laptop PC, give me truly useless ports like VGA, which I haven't used in 10+ years and still holds back most PC OEMs from making thinner, smaller, lighter, more useful laptops because they are still beholden to users who won't let VGA go despite the need for it to be retired 10 years ago.

Apple doesn't do legacy ports, otherwise we would not have had the 2012 Retina MacBook Pro everyone on the MacRumors forums seem to revere so much, because Apple jettisoned both the FireWire 800 and RJ45 ethernet port as well as the DVD-ROM drive in order to make the computer thinner. The howls were loud and intense.

I plug my iPhone 6s into my 2016 MacBook Pro with an Apple USB-C to Lightning cable that I bought to charge my iPad Pro, no adapter needed. Apple includes the USB Type-A to Lightning cable as default because they at least acknowledge that the rest of the world is still stuck in USB Type-A Land.

MicroChannel failed because IBM was trying to recapture a market that they had already lost as lower cost clones had become too big a market to overcome or litigate out of existence. Faced with invevitability,that didn't stop the IBM suits from trying to take control back of the product they "invented". OS/2 failed for the very same reason as most people were on to IBM by then and no amount of M*A*S*H nostalgia was going to get them back.

EISA partially failed and it WAS compatible with ISA. PCI succeeded mightily and superseded them both because it was far superior, yet it had ZERO backwards compatiblity hardware-wise. Yes, PCI and ISA coexisted for years, much to the chagrin of IT people everywhere who had to deal with PoS ISA cards because someone was too cheap to replace a damn Token Ring network with Ethernet. No one in my peer group pines for ISA or IDE, or even SCSI for that matter.

AGP lost out completely to PCI Express even though PCIe was not backwards compatible with AGP. AGP simply disappeared so fast no one ever missed it or waxed poetic over it. No one tried to smooth that transition over for users who now had to buy new video cards, hardly a cheap proposition.

Not sure where you get your news, but USB-C is on almost all Asus, Gigabyte, ASRock and MSI motherboards, even many lower end models. It is not fading away in the least. On the flip side, Intel-based Thunderbolt 3 started very strong on the Z170 platform (especially Gigabyte, who had 5 Z170 boards with TB3 onboard), but hit a wall with the Z270 and Z370 platforms and has been mostly relegated to a few X299 motherboards. Meanwhile ASMedia now dominates the USB-C controller market with PC Motherboard OEMs and is nearly ubiquitous.

Thunderbolt 1 and 2 never gained traction on the PC side, neither did FireWire despite Sony pushing it hard. USB-C is gaining traction RAPIDLY but, sadly, Thunderbolt 3 probably will not.

USB-C has just started its run and is most certainly not a flop - you are living in the Upside Down. I have been buying computers since 1989 and there has never been a new port or standard that didn't meet with resistance, but instead just happened "fast and naturally", more like kicking and screaming! The initial reception to USB when it was introduced was frosty, to say the least, on the PC side. Then Apple introduced the iMac - and USB took off - all the while Mac people complained bitterly about the lack of SCSI, ADB, AppleTalk (Serial), DB15 (Video) and a floppy drive.

You are not going to buy a $500 laptop that will beat the MacBook Pro, period. You can find a few decent gems at that price point, but you are going to spend serious coin to buy an equivalent to the 2018 MacBook Pro. I have worked on $500 laptops and you truly do get what you pay for most of the time.

Soldered RAM is a pain, I admit, but I have bought quality DRAM DIMMs to go into systems that the MFR claimed up and down were the correct part and have still had major headaches. I have spent hours researching why the DIMMs were causing kernel panics and purchased entirely new DIMMS from different MFRs that listed bulletproof compatibility that still gave me issues. PLEASE, unless you can afford a $3K DIMM tester, it is still a crapshoot. Do I want removable RAM on the mini, iMac and Mac Pros, sure. But on Apple portables, it is simply one less thing for me to worry about.

Yes, Apple's flash storage is hella expensive, but it is the bar that all other mobile computers are judged by. Most PC vendors give you a 128GB NVMe SSD and a 1TB HDD and think they are riding the lightning, but it's just another band-aid, because price ultimately dominates the PC industry and they are simply piecing parts together versus trying to build an integrated whole. And if that 1TB HDD lasts more than a year without biting the dust it will be a miracle.

There are a few standout gems in the PC notebook world, some probably have great keyboards too, but there is nothing improper about Apple's keyboard. You either like it or you don't. I like it, not as much as my Magic Keyboard, but it's better than the previous MBPs slightly wobbly and mushy keyboard.

Apple makes the best TrackPad, bar none. Even PC people will reluctantly admit this. Most PC trackpads are more akin to "Postage Stamp with Mushy Buttons Punishment", than an actual navigation aid.

I look at the Best Buy flyer every week and I see good and I see bad, but I don't see enough to make me go, "OOOOH, I gotta get me one of those!" I mostly go, meh, not too shabby if I needed it in a pinch. YMMV.
 
Haven't been able to find this answer, but is the storage in the new MBP upgradable later? The 2TB option for the 13", at +$1,200, is a little too pricy right now.
 
Maxed out options are nice, but starting and "regular" storage configs are a JOKE. 128GB and even 256GB for a 2018 pro. Please.
 
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